Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[AwesomeAussie27]

No, just no. I refuse to acknowledge that DJ Master Seal was a thing....

That was arguably Nintendo of America at their worst for advertising.

 

[N3ON]

The Smash fanbase for me is divided into two parts, the competitive scene that emerges when the game releases, and the speculation scene that happens up to the games launch. I'm not that into competitive smash, but from what I've seen from the speculation scene, I can't really find anything that bad (save for the Ridley and K. Rool begging, but even that's semi-warranted given how important and significant those characters are).

GameFaqs on the other hand, has an awful circlejerk of a fanbase, but GameFaqs is garbage for every game board.

I'm sure every fanbase and every site would have similar yet slightly altered sentiments...

 

[Superyoshiom]

She means these. Try not to cringe too hard from them.

I couldn't even watch more than 20 seconds of the first ad. That trash put me on suicide watch.
I'm so glad the Switch advertising is eons better than this.

 

[SuperMii3D]

On the ARMS stuff, if any character was included for sure it would have insane reach, but what it would be their drawback to compensate that?, you know, like Little Mac having a beast ground game and a mediocre aerial one.

Punches would probably be slow and have lots of end lag to compensate for the reach. A technical cqc fighter with long range, besting projectile and sword characters, but have trouble dealing with characters that can easily rush in.

 

[Luminario]

I see people lob the argument against Spring-Man that because he's the standard default guy in ARMS he'd be a bland inclusion, as if having boxing gloves attached to ****ing springs for arms is a common element on Smash's roster.

Like, what?

He's bland compared to the rest of the characters in ARMS. We all know anyone from ARMS would add something completely unique, but the game's been out long enough for us all to pick our favourites.

 

[Darkraid]

The lack of news is making me sick

 

[papagenos]

I hear so much talk about Sans getting in as the "Indie rep", but honestly it'd be shovel knight if anyone. He was ALL over the Smash ballot, like one of the most talked about/voted for characters at that time. Even if an Indie rep happened and it wasn't him, it'd be Shantae or Quote or someone who actually had fans pushing for them during the ballot.

I just cant imagine Undertale getting a rep out of no where, it seems like its only because undertale was in the last direct but thats an awful way to assume characters, its similar to why although i'd really like crash and think hes possible im not putting much weight into the fact he was simply part of the same direct as the smash reveal. he could get in but im not thinking of him as anymore likely than any other 3rd party character who has a game on switch.

Not trying to knock anyone for wanting Sans or anything, undertales cool, but I just do not see why I'm hearing people think he'll get revealed at this indie direct while I hear very few talk about Shovel Knight. I'm not expecting anyone but again if there was a smash reveal during an indie direct my bets are on Shovel Knight by a large margin.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The lack of news is making me sick

Dude it hasn't even been two weeks.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Dude it hasn't even been two weeks.

*Remembers when Miiverse posted something new every night*

Good days those were. Staying up until 2 AM for Luigi's nose

 

[Hinata]

*Remembers when Miiverse posted something new every night*

Good days those were. Staying up until 2 AM for Luigi's nose

It got to the point where people on Reddit were regularly posting "Waiting for the Pic of the Day" discussion threads.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

*Remembers when Miiverse posted something new every night*

Good days those were. Staying up until 2 AM for Luigi's nose

Or even "better", Zelda petting a dizzy Dedede's face.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Pic of The Day makes me miss the days of old where I'd listen to Gamexplain and Japan Time ramble and talk about what were featured in the images for the week.

We should totally jump on that bandwagon if Pic of The Day starts again.

 

[Radical Bones]

Pic of The Day makes me miss the days of old where I'd listen to Gamexplain and Japan Time ramble and talk about what were featured in the images for the week.

We should totally jump on that bandwagon if Pic of The Day starts again.

PotD and the Dojo were my favourite parts of Brawl and 4 combined to the point where I almost prefer the lead up to the actual game.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Dude it hasn't even been two weeks.

Two weeks is the equivalent to two years for Smash speculation.

 

[Gestahl]

How about Navi and her "Hey listen!" As a newcomer?

 

[mario123007]

Why'd you get a warning over Xenoblade 2, aren't we allowed to be off-topic on the social thread?

That's the point lol, this isn't social thread.
And you misunderstood, despite I did sort of link XC2 with Smash Bros, the majority of post was just about Xenoblade Chronicles 2 because of many spoilers....

Oh yeah still need to talk about Smash ...

How about Navi and her "Hey listen!" As a newcomer?

No... .... Please no...

 

[Cosmic77]

How about Navi and her "Hey listen!" As a newcomer?

If you're being serious, I doubt Navi would be the best choice for a Zelda newcomer. People already complain about Ridley being too big. Get ready for a "Too small" meme with Navi.

 

[NintenRob]

So a lot of people talk about indie characters. Personally I don't think Smash is the place for them, it should just be Nintendo and incredibly iconic and popular third parties, and third parties.

I wouldn't mind them get a trophy or something though. Maybe a stage that shifts between a bunch of them and featuring fan favourite songs. But playable character feels like too much. I already think Smash is starting to go a little overboard with third parties

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So a lot of people talk about indie characters. Personally I don't think Smash is the place for them, it should just be Nintendo and incredibly iconic and popular third parties, and third parties.

I wouldn't mind them get a trophy or something though. Maybe a stage that shifts between a bunch of them and featuring fan favourite songs. But playable character feels like too much. I already think Smash is starting to go a little overboard with third parties

I mostly agree. The only one I’d be OK with is Shovel Knight, mainly because of how big he got (getting four amiibo) and presumably being at least relatively high in the ballot.

 

[Cosmic77]

So a lot of people talk about indie characters. Personally I don't think Smash is the place for them, it should just be Nintendo and incredibly iconic and popular third parties, and third parties.

I wouldn't mind them get a trophy or something though. Maybe a stage that shifts between a bunch of them and featuring fan favourite songs. But playable character feels like too much. I already think Smash is starting to go a little overboard with third parties

Another thing people need to remember is that it's much harder to find an indie character with worldwide popularity than it is with third-parties. Popular indie characters we have in NA and EU might not even have a fanbase in Japan.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Man, there is so much hate going on for the idea of Rex and Pyra being in Smash.

 

[mario123007]

So a lot of people talk about indie characters. Personally I don't think Smash is the place for them, it should just be Nintendo and incredibly iconic and popular third parties, and third parties.

I wouldn't mind them get a trophy or something though. Maybe a stage that shifts between a bunch of them and featuring fan favourite songs. But playable character feels like too much. I already think Smash is starting to go a little overboard with third parties

Unless Sakurai hears the demand, then maybe we will.
With how a few character and big third party characters they can put... I think having indies would be a better idea, not to mention indie games play a huge part of Nintendo Switch sales.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Who would y'all say are the five most requested characters this time?

 

[mario123007]

Man, there is so much hate going on for the idea of Rex and Pyra being in Smash.

Not really "hate" persay (I really "hate" that word lol) My guess is people just either dislike anime characters or don't like Rex and Pyra's design.

And the heated debate was merely ... Most think that Pyra's will get her design censored whole I was the only one who apparently disagree. And it went off topic. .

The reasons can be vary, while I disagree with most of their reasons, I respect them nevertheless, and let them be.

 

[Staarih]

So a lot of people talk about indie characters. Personally I don't think Smash is the place for them, it should just be Nintendo and incredibly iconic and popular third parties, and third parties.

I mostly agree - then again, Nintendo really embraces their indie-scene (hence the term "nindie")... but I guess even so, there's SO many indie games these days and it's super hard to stand out, and very few seem to have merits to reach playable status in a game like Smash. Representing the indie-scene with trophies is alright imo, they started to do that with CommanderVideo trophy already.

I guess an exception would be if Nintendo really took some game(series) under their wing and wanted to go all out with it, kind of like with Bayonetta (not an indie game, of course, but still). Shovel Knight might be closest to this with the amiibo and Nintendo itself being the publisher of the game in Japan (it also has a fanbase), but we'll see.

 

[mario123007]

I mostly agree - then again, Nintendo really embraces their indie-scene (hence the term "nindie")... but I guess even so, there's SO many indie games these days and it's super hard to stand out, and very few seem to have merits to reach playable status in a game like Smash. Representing the indie-scene with trophies is alright imo, they started to do that with CommanderVideo trophy already.

I guess an exception would be if Nintendo really took some game(series) under their wing and wanted to go all out with it, kind of like with Bayonetta (not an indie game, of course, but still). Shovel Knight might be closest to this with the amiibo and Nintendo itself being the publisher of the game in Japan, but we'll see.

I have plenty of characters I want in Smash that are indie game characters ...

Like Shovel and Shantae
And does Travis Touchdown count as indie character?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Not really "hate" persay (I really "hate" that word lol) My guess is people just either dislike anime characters or don't like Rex and Pyra's design.

I'm kinda referring to the hate these two gets in general within Smash speculation, not specifically in this thread, having looked at their want scores and reasons for them in the RTC, with many heavily criticizing Rex and Pyra's designs.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Pheromosa: Tied with Sonic speed-wise, hits as hard as Ganondorf, lighter than Jigglypuff
Buzzwole: Kinda slow and floaty, doesn't flinch at low %, heavy as DK

I think only Sonic and Wario-Man are permitted to be the fastest runners. Pheromosa could always have the second fastest dash, but if Ash-Greninja appears as Greninja's new Final Smash, it could end up being competition for that spot.

In regards to Buzzwole, I could see it being a tough guy fighter like Bowser, never flinching from hitboxes that don't deal strong enough knockback. I don't know the full details on how knockback-based heavy armor operates though, so I'll just say that Buzzwole's knockback threshold would be tied alongside Bowser's; 19, if I recall correctly. I would bring up damage-based heavy armor, but if Buzzwole had that, then it wouldn't flinch at all from low-damaging infinite hits, and Cloud's Finishing Touch (if he somehow manages to return) would end up being powerless as well.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

How about Navi and her "Hey listen!" As a newcomer?

Is this a joke?

 

[BigZGaming2015]

I'm kinda in the middle with this. I don't think it's a port, but I don't think it's a fully new game either. I think it'll build off Smash 4 and add in enough content for it be considered a new game. Can't wait to see more of it hopefully at e3.

 

[TheSpitefulWolf]

mm-mm-mm, five pages o' pyra design chat

neato-keeno

maybe we should move on to, y'know, cool folk for smash, like ****ING CAPTAIN N.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I really don’t expect a lot of news until E3, that and directs giving info here and there.

 

[-crump-]

Who would y'all say are the five most requested characters this time?

It’s kind of hard to measure this time, for a multitude of reasons. There used to be huge, obvious icons of Nintendo that folks felt “needed” to be there, like Little Mac, Mega Man, Ridley and K. Rool, Mewtwo, etc, But now a lot of those characters have got in, and some feel less likely than ever (*coughRidleycough*) there’s more room for smaller but popular characters to rock the boat. This makes it hard to say what the majority want to see, because there are too many choices at this point.

 

[Chron]

We have a family friendly female character who would fit right in!

Remember when Armada said if you use the Daisy alt for Peach you should quit the game.

 

[mario123007]

I'm kinda referring to the hate these two gets in general within Smash speculation, not specifically in this thread, having looked at their want scores and reasons for them in the RTC, with many heavily criticizing Rex and Pyra's designs.

Meh, I think "hate" is a bit too extreme... using "dislike" would be better imo.
And yes, even I think it is ok to criticize of dislike Rex and Pyra's design or anything in particular (Like to voice acting for Rex was also heavily and fairly criticized). That being said, and I have said this a dozen times, you can't use your objective opinion on a franchise and project the outcomes of those characters. I tried to be fair... but you see a few users here were being more and more disrespectful (Both to me and the Xenoblade 2 characters) and objectively misleading... which no wonder why the discussion ended being more and more off topic.

But hey, I highly recommend you to move that question to this thread:
https://smashboards.com/threads/new-garfont-9-a-xenoblade-series-discussion-thread.446454/

I'm kinda in the middle with this. I don't think it's a port, but I don't think it's a fully new game either. I think it'll build off Smash 4 and add in enough content for it be considered a new game. Can't wait to see more of it hopefully at e3.

It's highly possible that it will go like how Splatoon 2 and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 went with.

I really don’t expect a lot of news until E3, that and directs giving info here and there.

I expect Smash Switch and huge third party games being announced.

 

[Megadoomer]

Can we drop the Xenoblade 2 character design discussion? Every single time that gets brought up, it opens up a can of worms given how polarizing it is.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I should probably make a statement, in regards to each fighter's neutral attack. I think that most fighters' neutral attacks should never take longer than 5 frames for the first hit's hitboxes to become active. Dedede has one of the longest start-ups of any neutral attack, and most fighters can successfully grab him before the neutral attack's hitboxes even activate; that's one of the many things that really hurts Dedede overall.

 

[Lyndis_]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

(Removing things doesn't count, only changing or adding.)

I can't really think of much that would kill a Smash game for me at this point, but if they re-added tripping I'd personally be pretty upset..

Or if they did the Mario Kart 8 DX thing and the only way to play 3+ player LAN is to use the single Joycons. Of course, that wouldn't kill the game for me, it'd just be really frustrating.

 

[SneakyLink]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

(Removing things doesn't count, only changing or adding.)

I can't really think of much that would kill a Smash game for me at this point, but if they re-added tripping I'd personally be pretty upset..

Or if they did the Mario Kart 8 DX thing and the only way to play 3+ player LAN is to use the single Joycons, of course, that wouldn't kill the game for me, it'd just be really frustrating.

Random tripping returning would certainly be unwelcome to me.

Adding in air tripping (as in, you jump with a chance to fumble) would be a way to keep me on 4.

 

[Jubileus57]

What addition or change, if anything, would ruin Smash Switch for you? Or at least get you to play an older one instead. Is it something realistic? A mechanic change?

Adding anime characters would be THE biggest deal breaker for me.

Also, the lack of a real Adventure mode would make me pretty upset (as I stated somewhere before, my biggest gripe with Sm4sh was the lack of one.)