Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bradli Wartooth]

I feel alone on the anti-Labo train now. That's cool, I still don't want him though. I don't think it has been/will be revolutionary enough to be in the game outside of maybe some random character in the distant future like ROB. It's not like Wii Fit where dozens of people bought Wiis just for that thing.

 

[Hinata]

If we can't play as a tiny cardboard man in Smash 5, what's the point of Smash 5 even existing?

 

[?????????????]

It's not like Wii Fit where dozens of people bought Wiis just for that thing.

Don’t count your chickens before they play with cardboard.

 

[Freduardo]

I wouldn’t mind four swords/minish cap Link.

Yeah, I know I’m alone on that.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Personally, I'd like to see Scorpion from MK as a third-party rep. He'd be a pretty crazy addition, is a gaming icon, and has a move-set that'd be unique to Smash. On top of that, the MK franchise has a long history with Nintendo. The gore can just be toned down, and Smash can just feature some of the cheekier elements of MK (like Friendships as victory poses, or taunts).

As much as Scorpion is undoubtedly an iconic representation of MK in general, and as much as I like to see him work out in Smash, I believe Sub-Zero deserves to be in as the second cryo-type character next to the Ice Climbers. It may not happen, but who knows.

 

[Lyndis_]

If I wasn't before, consider me sold on on the character~

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Not quite sure why you decided to post this again just without the source...

So source: https://twitter.com/JavedLSterritt/status/975666584055197696?s=19

Also, their scrapped shielding animation they just posted : https://twitter.com/JavedLSterritt/status/975852370570616832?s=19

 

[N3ON]

Not quite sure why you decided to post this again just without the source...

So source: https://twitter.com/JavedLSterritt/status/975666584055197696?s=19

Also, their scrapped shielding animation they just posted : https://twitter.com/JavedLSterritt/status/975852370570616832?s=19

The source adds nothing to the gif. And the creator is credited within the gif. What's the necessity of posting the tweet?

 

[Starcutter]

The source adds nothing to the gif. And the creator is credited within the gif. What's the necessity of posting the tweet?

I personally believe it's just proper ettquite to post the direct link to an artist's work if you share it.

 

[Inawordyes]

Not quite sure why you decided to post this again just without the source...

So source: https://twitter.com/JavedLSterritt/status/975666584055197696?s=19

Also, their scrapped shielding animation they just posted : https://twitter.com/JavedLSterritt/status/975852370570616832?s=19

You know, this reminds me a lot of that old Sukapon moveset someone made for Super Smash Flash 2 back when the expansion forums were still open, since it also had a "throw part of yourself" move - in Sukapon's case, it's disembodied head.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

You clearly do not know @GoldenYuiitusin.

Actually Bowser is pretty hot.

 

[Gimmick-Hater]

As much as Scorpion is undoubtedly an iconic representation of MK in general, and as much as I like to see him work out in Smash, I believe Sub-Zero deserves to be in as the second cryo-type character next to the Ice Climbers. It may not happen, but who knows.

To be honest, I'm fine with either one. I just kind of want to see Kirby say, "Get Over here." Sub-Zero could definitely work though. Ice-ball, ice swords, ice hammers, his slide, ice clones, etc... Would definitely be cool.

 

[CannonStreak]

Actually Bowser is pretty hot.

Yeah, with his flame breath! Maybe his body too, and not in the appearance way, but body temperature way.

 

[Lord-Zero]

Kinda irrelevant but I still really hope that Professor Layton gets in smash.

They’ll probably add his daughter instead. I would be fine with it, though.

 

[Radical Bones]

If I wasn't before, consider me sold on on the character~

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That's amazing. Someone tweet it to Sakurai

 

[Questionmark222]

If I wasn't before, consider me sold on on the character~

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Finally! Someone has made it happen! I just kept thinking about having the Labo Man in Smash but I couldn't envision how he would work! However that guy made it and it's GLORIOUS. Definitely keeping the link btw.

 

[N3ON]

I personally believe it's just proper ettquite to post the direct link to an artist's work if you share it.

Generally if you don't specify credit mandatory, you're accepting that people will use the image wantonly. But especially seeing as how his handle is there, I've no real qualms about posting the gif as it is.

But hey while you're here I've seen an array of signatures, thread OPs, tweets, and Smash videos that don't sport the proper 'by N3ON' image credit if you'd like to inform them of their apparent negligence.

 

[mario123007]

...and I am 100% fine with this. I've never been a fan of getting hyper-violent/sexualized/foul-mouthed Third-Party characters shoe-horned into Smash, so that would be a benefit in my eyes.

Well, believe or not, a lot of people won't be 100% fine, including myself to that category. But I wouldn't be that bumped as well, just disappointed and felt those are really unnecessary.

And you may be fine with it, but you shouldn't encourage that kind of tone down in my opinion.

And regardless of it is a benefit in YOUR eyes, any unnecessary censor ship is dumb and could be a waste of time. Localization already takes time, if need to do extra work on tweaking characters can be a hassle.

I know Smash Bros isn't "for kids" per se, but it does aim to be fun for all ages. Honestly, it's nice having a fighting game where I can play with anyone, even little kids, without having to explain "why that lady has no clothes on?" or "did that guy just rip his spine out??"

Wow, nice exaggeration with "lady with no cloths on" and "rip his spine out" ... Is this Mortal Kombat that we are talking about? And um, bruh, I don't even think kids (above mid grade elementary school age) will even care about those female characters.
Or... Technically kids under 6 shouldn't even be playing video games if I do say so myself.

It is true we'll just wait and see, but I have to be blunt here, you shouldn't encourage censorship and tone down age rating, especially when it comes to Smash Bros. Take it or leave it.

 

[SpawnpeekerRespectful]

I personally really want the human character. I'm not really a huge undertale buff, but I think that the idea of being able to switch between an act and a fight mode would be super interesting. I've kind of been a little too exited, I've even made a fan render of the character.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1vt6e20mzbra0td/ftftyf.png?dl=0

What has my life become?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That's amazing. Someone tweet it to Sakurai

Even I have to admit that's cool. Someone was clearly devoted to putting love into the idea. I still don't think it will happen because Nintendo Labo isn't really considered a character like R.O.B. the Robot or a Game & Watch man.

But, it is cool. And that's all I'll say on the topic of a Labo character.

 

[Hinata]

Well, believe or not, a lot of people won't be 100% fine, including myself to that category. But I wouldn't be that bumped as well, just disappointed and felt those are really unnecessary.

And you may be fine with it, but you shouldn't encourage that kind of tone down in my opinion.

And regardless of it is a benefit in YOUR eyes, any unnecessary censor ship is dumb and could be a waste of time. Localization already takes time, if need to do extra work on tweaking characters can be a hassle.

Mate, you gotta chill out. You're waaaaaaaaay too invested in this whole "don't censor Pyra" thing.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Why would an Undertale fan want Sans the boy in Super Smash Bros? Why would they want a character who's supposed to have the option between violence and pacifism not have the option to be a pacifist?

 

[mario123007]

Mate, you gotta chill out. You're waaaaaaaaay too invested in this whole "don't censor Pyra" thing.

Not just Pyra... More like unnecessary censorship though (I am not against censorshio, because yes, sometimes you have to fie certain regions)

And yeah, I do need to chill out a bit. I just personally don't like some people actually encourage unnecessary tone downs... And as you see their argument are often weak... Or just a bit subective.

 

[Danpal65]

Why would an Undertale fan want Sans in Super Smash Bros? Why would they want a character who's supposed to have the option between violence and pacifism not have the option to be a pacifist?

That is probably why they want Sans and not the playable character. It is the player character that chooses between violence and pacifism, which would be a pretty hard mechanic to put in a fighting game, as you said. Sans would not be limited by this.

Not to say I want or expect an Undertale character though.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That is probably why they want Sans and not the playable character. It is the player character that chooses between violence and pacifism, which would be a pretty hard mechanic to put in a fighting game, as you said. Sans would not be limited by this.

Not to say I want or expect an Undertale character though.

My bad. I only played Undertale on PS4 last week and I thought Sans was the name of the playable boy.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Ah, Smash Speculation! I remember the days of coming onto this forum daily to discuss Smash 4's upcoming roster, and I've definitely learned a lesson in humility or two ever since insisting Dark Pit and Duck Hunt were part of a fake leak solely because of how much I didn't want them.

Here's hoping Smash 5's speculation on Smashboards is a little more civil. If nothing else, it should be quicker and less painful considering the game releases this year.

Throwing my two-cents in some of the current topics, I'm not convinced Sakurai would view Frisk as a viable candidate considering their primary identifying trait is their sheer determination to not fight others outright contradicts the nature of Smash. It's a step beyond Villager passive-aggressively fighting and more into clashing with the point of Undertale outright: Being a game where nobody has to die. My own thoughts about whether or not Undertale actually has a chance to be in Smash Bros. aside, it does seem like Undertale would sooner receive someone else as a character like Sans or Papyrus.

As for whether or not Pyra gets censored, I suppose that entirely depends on whether Smash will be aiming for an ESRB T rating or E10+ rating this time around. Smash 4 went for all of its censorship to maintain the E10+ rating it has, so I can only imagine the suggestive themes of Pyra would be toned down given Xenoblade Chronicle 2's T-rating nature.

 

[Danpal65]

My bad. I only played Undertale on PS4 last week and I thought Sans was the name of the playable boy.

All good. You have actually played more of the game than I have

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I drew up a Mipha moveset as she's my most wanted character that I consider "Realistic"

MIPHA, ZORA CHAMPION

Spoiler

The Zora Champion from Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild brings her skills to Smash Bros for the Nintendo Switch. Mipha fights with her Lightscale Trident and also bears Water themed abilities, as well as her signature ability, Mipha's Grace. While mostly known for her healing, thanks to being under the training of Seggin, Mipha's spearmanship is considered largely unrivalled.

Some of Mipha's attacks have sweetspots/sourspots, but the zones for each are much more prominent than that of Marth, as the entire trident head is bladed.

In regards to size, weight, and speed, Mipha is a short character, as seen in Breath of the Wild, standing a full head shorter than Zelda. She is very lightweight, falling into the "featherweight" category of KuroganeHammer's weight chart, as she doesn't wear really any armor and has a very slender body. However to compliment her small size and low weight, she is extremely quick, nimble, and graceful in her movements.

Jab: A two-hit jab. Mipha first strikes with the pommel of her trident, and then follows up with a thrust from the tip of the trident.

Forward Tilt: Mipha quickly thrusts forward with her trident. Slightly longer tange than jab's second hit.

Down Tilt: Mipha sweeps the feet of her opponents with her trident

Up Tilt: Mipha take an overhead swing, starting from her front side moving to her back side.

Dash Attack: Mipha kicks up a small wave, surfing forward and leading with her trident.

Neutral Air: Mipha twirls her trident around each side hitting enemies around her

Fair: Mipha takes two quick jabs forward with her trident

Back Air: Mipha winds up and takes a heavy poke behind her. Has a little bit of start up.

Up Air: Mipha flips, kicking above her

Down Air: Mipha flips and swings her trident below her in an arc. Has some startup, but also has a meteor smash on the trident's sweetspot.

Forward Smash: A two hit smash attack, second hit being optional like Link's. Mipha gives a short-range, heavy thrust which has minimal knockback and does high damage, and a good amount of hit stun. Second hit, Mipha swings the trident horizontally to knock opponents away.

Up Smash: Mipha thrusts above her, also catching opponents immediately in front of her. Hard to land, but is extremely rewarding.

Down Smash: Mipha quickly thrusts in front and the feet, and then behind. Low knockback, but very quick.

Neutral Special: Wave- Mipha swings her trident fron the ground up, kicking up a wave of water that travels a moderate distance at a slow pace.

Up Special: Waterfall Swim- Mipha creates and swims up a waterfall, as is seen in Champions Ballad cutscene. Other Zoras have this ability, and Link can also do it when he wears the Zora Armor in BotW.

Side Special: Skewer- Mipha thrusts her spear a short distance in front of her. This ability is a command grab, and allows Mipha to throw her opponent either forward or behind her and attempt to follow up. If Mipha attempts to use this ability again within one second and it lands, it will just do small damage and not grab again, just like Smash 4 grab mechanics. *If you have ever played For Honor, the Gladiator hero has an ability like this if you want to see what it would generally look like.

Down Special: Mipha's Grace- A chargeable ability that heals Mipha, similarly to Wii Fit Trainer's deep breathing. The move temporarily makes Mipha harder to knock back as well.

Grab: Mipha holds her trident behind her with one hand, and grabs the oppoenent with the free hand.

Forward throw: Mipha fiercly jabs the opponent with the pommel of her trident.

Up Throw: Mipha uses her trident to loft the opponent upward.

Down Throw: Mipha sticks her trident into her opponent and forces them into the ground in one quick motion.

Final Smash: Divine Beasts- The other Champions make an appearance with their Divine Beasts, and Mipha appears on Va Ruta. All four shoot their red beam at the stage, causing high damage an knockback to those caught in the blast.

EDIT: Added Size, Weight, and Speed rough estimates.

EDIT2: Added the aerials that I somehow overlooked.

 

[Radical Bones]

As discussed I'm playing Brawl atm and I officially miss Squirtle.

 

[kylexv]

Ah, Smash Speculation! I remember the days of coming onto this forum daily to discuss Smash 4's upcoming roster, and I've definitely learned a lesson in humility or two ever since insisting Dark Pit and Duck Hunt were part of a fake leak solely because of how much I didn't want them.

Here's hoping Smash 5's speculation on Smashboards is a little more civil. If nothing else, it should be quicker and less painful considering the game releases this year.

Throwing my two-cents in some of the current topics, I'm not convinced Sakurai would view Frisk as a viable candidate considering their primary identifying trait is their sheer determination to not fight others outright contradicts the nature of Smash. It's a step beyond Villager passive-aggressively fighting and more into clashing with the point of Undertale outright: Being a game where nobody has to die. My own thoughts about whether or not Undertale actually has a chance to be in Smash Bros. aside, it does seem like Undertale would sooner receive someone else as a character like Sans or Papyrus.

As for whether or not Pyra gets censored, I suppose that entirely depends on whether Smash will be aiming for an ESRB T rating or E10+ rating this time around. Smash 4 went for all of its censorship to maintain the E10+ rating it has, so I can only imagine the suggestive themes of Pyra would be toned down given Xenoblade Chronicle 2's T-rating nature.

I mean the whole E10+ rating is why the Tharja trophy was cut from Smash 3DS. If the game came out as T, it probably would still be in the game. Nintendo just wanted that E10+ rating to attract more potential customers from the target demographic, and that was one of the few things in the game that stood in the way.

So Pyra would have to be censored in some form if the game is E10+, playable or trophy.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

As discussed I'm playing Brawl atm and I officially miss Squirtle.

Replace with and I feel the same

If I wasn't before, consider me sold on on the character~

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Now THAT is godlike, creativity like this always makes me happy.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Not just Pyra... More like unnecessary censorship though (I am not against censorshio, because yes, sometimes you have to fie certain regions)

And yeah, I do need to chill out a bit. I just personally don't like some people actually encourage unnecessary tone downs... And as you see their argument are often weak... Or just a bit subective.

Is it really unnecessary censorship if Nintendo is aiming to make the game E10+ though

 

[Deleted member]

Does this imply the likes of Ganondorf and Bowser are more attractive to you?

Can't speak for Bowser, but c'mon.



It's no contest that Ganondorf is more attractive than Steve.

 

[Starcutter]

Generally if you don't specify credit mandatory, you're accepting that people will use the image wantonly. But especially seeing as how his handle is there, I've no real qualms about posting the gif as it is.

But hey while you're here I've seen an array of signatures, thread OPs, tweets, and Smash videos that don't sport the proper 'by N3ON' image credit if you'd like to inform them of their apparent negligence.

I was mostly answering your original question of "was posting links to his Twitter necessary?", this has nothing to do with how you want to handle your artwork.

I was mostly saying there's never a good reason to not credit an artist properly, which I think most people can agree with.

 

[PK_Wonder]

Is Pyra's attire really in need of much or any censorship to maintain E10+? XC2's T rating comes from several other things, like language and sexual innuendo in dialogue, violence, alcohol references, and the overall mature and deep themes make it clearly something you need to be at least a teen to fully understand. And Pyra is certainly not the character that is going to most offend the average conservative parent.

 

[Senselessbreak]

So after all this time, I just realized that Diddy Kong says his name in Diddy Kong Racing. I remember the other characters speaking but for some reason I though Diddy just made chimp noises since thats all hes done since.

I mean suddenly I'm getting memories of the television show so theres that.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I think every time I post a moveset, it gets buried in this overdone Mythra Pyra censorship discussion. I understand the concerns, but it's coming up constantly now. We get it, Pyra is skimpy. They might need to lengthen her shorts or something. She will still be the same character no matter what happens, it isn't the end of the world.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Is Pyra's attire really in need of much or any censorship to maintain E10+? XC2's T rating comes from several other things, like language and sexual innuendo in dialogue, violence, alcohol references, and the overall mature and deep themes make it clearly something you need to be at least a teen to fully understand. And Pyra is certainly not the character that is going to most offend the average conservative parent.

I personally couldn't be happier if she got into Smash unchanged, but if Tharja's outfit was too risque, I can imagine Pyra will need just a little bit more covering her up. Not to mention female Corrin's outfit getting censored as well just for showing some thigh.

This was an unedited shot of the cutscene where Rex meets Pyra. Not even an hour into the game and she practically looks naked from the hips-down.

Spoiler

Usually that kind of thing doesn't show up until the 20-hour mark! Nyuck nyuck nyuck!

 

[mario123007]

As for whether or not Pyra gets censored, I suppose that entirely depends on whether Smash will be aiming for an ESRB T rating or E10+ rating this time around. Smash 4 went for all of its censorship to maintain the E10+ rating it has, so I can only imagine the suggestive themes of Pyra would be toned down given Xenoblade Chronicle 2's T-rating nature.

Eh, I wanna say it but I don't want to keep repeating myself....
Since this is a new game, it unknown if it will be E10+, but I personally think it won't.

So Pyra would have to be censored in some form if the game is E10+, playable or trophy

Then again, we have to hear confirmation from Nintendo, despite I said I don't really care about rating and censor tweaks, I don't think people should be set stone or even encourage Smash Bros Switch should be E10+

Is it really unnecessary censorship if Nintendo is aiming to make the game E10+ though

If it isn't censoring sensitive or religion content... Then yes... But hey, this is just my stance, this isn't a view of majority.

Is Pyra's attire really in need of much or any censorship to maintain E10+? XC2's T rating comes from several other things, like language and sexual innuendo in dialogue, violence, alcohol references, and the overall mature and deep themes make it clearly something you need to be at least a teen to fully understand. And Pyra is certainly not the character that is going to most offend the average conservative parent.

The baffling thing, for me at least, is there many user here that I personally assume they wish Smash Bros Switch to be E10+ so there will be unnecessary Censorship for characters they aren't even fond with... which I don't against it, but I don't think it should be encouraged or root for either.

 

[Onua]

Funny enough I've been replaying the Fossil Fighter games lately and like had a really silly question.
In all 3 games the hero character never actually walks around with a pickaxe (never uses on in the 3rd due to the bone buggy) but when you hit the A button he swings it down.
So it makes me wonder if Fossil Fighter made it in if they'd be similar to shulk in the sense that they'd put the pickaxe up between attacks and not have it out while they did nothing.
(its silly stuff like this I ponder)

 

[ErenJager]

As far as new 3rd Party characters go, all I really want is Rayman. That's my most wanted character overall.

Beyond that, there's PLENTY I'd think would be cool. The only ones that are a cut above for me is that...I'd really love to see either Shovel Knight or Shantae. I really enjoyed those games.

...And Simon Belmont would be a dream for me.

Apart of me wants to keep it only japanese.

But apart of me wants to believe western characters was kept out so it could be a big deal this time around