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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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If Pokemon really needs a playable Grass-type Pokemon, then the Treecko family would probably be the best bet. On the other hand, it would be a mistake to implement Sceptile, and not have Blaziken on the roster as well.
 

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This is all I'll say on the matter - Pyra is the result of a long history of objectifying women with large, prominent breasts on a slender frame combined with a revealing outfit and jiggle physics. When people say her bust is too big and outfit is too revealing it's not a comment about bust size in general, it's about the motivation of the deliberate design.

Objectifying women goes hand in hand with denying equal rights and fair treatment in general.

It has no place in Smash.
 

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It would be nice if you could decide which pokemons should be in the pokeballs or/and the rate of them. Same with the trophys. Or what do you think? Maybe already discussed.
It'd be cool if there was a section dedicated to them in the Item Switch menu tbh
 
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Honestly I find the viewpoint that Pyra being censored would somehow ruin her to be more questionable than anything else...
"Ruin her to be more questionable than anything else..."

I'm not sure if I understood that sentence. You think Pyra will be seen as scandalous for showing less skin and just focusing on being a fire-sword cinnamon roll?
 

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Can this damn censorship discussion end now? There's a million other things to talk about, and this has been rehashed like 6 times in the last week. This discussion is making me want to have a list of banned topics for this thread, which is something I never thought I'd want.

Can we talk about everyone's favorite pokemon and how they'd be cool as a Pokeball or something?
I love Tropius he's my big flying boy. A Tropius pokeball would be wonderfull he could be like the big angry tree from kirby and blow everyone around.
 

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It would be nice if you could decide which pokemons should be in the pokeballs or/and the rate of them. Same with the trophys. Or what do you think? Maybe already discussed.
I don't think that's been discussed. It could be an interesting mechanic, but I'm not sure if they'd put the extra work in to make a menu to edit frequencies. Would be welcome if they did though, even if its just to get rid of ATs and Pokeballs that aren't too fun to play against.
 

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Please. Please stop. Everyone, literally everyone but him is on your side here.
If you want make me I don't know, embarrassed, or wrong, to say that everyone had the opposing opinion as me, that is not how it works...at least here.
It isn't good to "create sides" and trust me, this happens more often than not, but then again "it seems" that I'm the only one is in fact, wrong. And not a strong argument my friend.
Discussion 101: stay cool and respect everyone's opinion. And yes I will do my best to follow this.
 
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Can we talk about everyone's favorite pokemon and how they'd be cool as a Pokeball or something?
I would like Magnezone, my favourite Pokemon to come out and use Electric Terrain. This causes constant damage at a medium rate to anyone touching the ground or platforms (similar to the flower effect), so it encourages you to take to the air and fight in the sky!
 
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"Ruin her to be more questionable than anything else..."

I'm not sure if I understood that sentence. You think Pyra will be seen as scandalous for showing less skin and just focusing on being a fire-sword cinnamon roll?
I meant I find it pretty disturbing that people seem to only care about Pyra so long as she's scantily clad. :p
 

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Would Snake's fine *** count as sexualizing men? Heck, does Captain Falcon's bulge proclaim sexualization? I'm genuinely curious
 
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"Ruin her to be more questionable than anything else..."

I'm not sure if I understood that sentence. You think Pyra will be seen as scandalous for showing less skin and just focusing on being a fire-sword cinnamon roll?
Nah he's saying that the kind of person who thinks Pyra is ruined by not being skimpy is questionable bc they're more focused on her appearance than her non-physical attributes.
 

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"Ruin her to be more questionable than anything else..."

I'm not sure if I understood that sentence. You think Pyra will be seen as scandalous for showing less skin and just focusing on being a fire-sword cinnamon roll?
No. It's the idea that a character has to be scantily-clad to be identifiable as that character.

Like...is that really an integral part of that character? Not their abilities? Not what they stand for? It's what they wear?

Is it reeeeally such a big deal if they don't look 100% accurate to the source material?
 
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It would be nice if you could decide which pokemons should be in the pokeballs or/and the rate of them. Same with the trophys. Or what do you think? Maybe already discussed.
It's an idea i've watned for a while (although I imagine that would be one long ass list)

I imagine part of the reason it isn't possible is framerate. Imagine having some of the bigger pokeballs/assist trophies on repeat. That might be a problem for a system like the Switch in handheld mode.

That, or they don't want it to be possible for multiple of the same legendary to be possible at the same time without extreme luck. (I imagine it's already possible to have, say, 2 Mews at the same time, but it's statistically improbable in regular gameplay)

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To answer my own question about the Pokeball, I have actually stated my ideal pokeball before. I'll say it again for those who didn't see it though.

Bewear (shocker, right?) comes out of the pokeball and runs around the stage trying to scoop up players. It does it's signature tree-snapping hug to whoever it catches, inflicting massive damage. Being happy to get a hug and not realizing how much pain it caused the fighter, it sets the fighter gently down and pats them with a pleased smile.
 
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Guys. Guys. Guys.

Clearly a more important topic came up.


We need Buzzwole more than any other Pokémon.


EDIT: Pic not working.

WARCHAAAAAAAAAAAAMP!
 
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Bayo is about as risqué as they get. If I was a parent who didn’t know a whole lot about video games, I would probably be a little bit concerned if I saw my child playing the new video game I bought them and there was a British, gun-toting dominatrix on screen beating up Green Mario and Sammy the Hedgehead :confused:

..And even if I was up to date on all the characters and the games they were from, I probably wouldn’t want my fictional young child playing as Bayo or an uncensored Pyra. I realize you can’t protect them forever from sexualized media, but at the same time I can see where some modest parents are coming from.
 
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If Pokemon really needs a playable Grass-type Pokemon, then the Treecko family would probably be the best bet. On the other hand, it would be a mistake to implement Sceptile, and not have Blaziken on the roster as well.
I'm all about Shiftry as a playable grass type, sceptile and decidueye need to sit down.
 

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All this discussion of censorship in Smash makes me hope they do the opposite. Its time we get some full blown nipples in Smash. I mean its current year. Pic extremely nsfw

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This is all I'll say on the matter - Pyra is the result of a long history of objectifying women with large, prominent breasts on a slender frame combined with a revealing outfit and jiggle physics. When people say her bust is too big and outfit is too revealing it's not a comment about bust size in general, it's about the motivation of the deliberate design.

Objectifying women goes hand in hand with denying equal rights and fair treatment in general.

It has no place in Smash.
I... I don't even. . Lol. This is hilarious.
Nah he's saying that the kind of person who thinks Pyra is ruined by not being skimpy is questionable bc they're more focused on her appearance than her non-physical attributes.
I won't think it will ruined her, I just think it is unnecessary and unlikely.
 

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Would Snake's fine *** count as sexualizing men? Heck, does Captain Falcon's bulge proclaim sexualization? I'm genuinely curious
From my point of view, anyway, it's on roughly the same level as Zero Suit Samus where there's a degree of accentuation, but it's still tamer than Pyra. With Falcon/Snake/ZSS it's skin tight, but also full body. And in skimpier cases like Swimsuit Shulk and Shorts ZSS, they're less clothed but far less skin tight (Shulk with swim trunks and Samus in a sports bra and shorts).

Pyra combines both, being scantily clad AND skin tight, and exposing skin in a way closer to kinky lingerie than something you'd see at a beach or gym.
 

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All this discussion of censorship in Smash makes me hope they do the opposite. Its time we get some full blown nipples in Smash. I mean its current year. Pic extremely nsfw

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Okay forget Pyra guys . . She can be censored, whatever.
But this... This has to be in Smash Bros Switch! Lol
Also set Buff Dedede as King Dedede's final Smash and Smash Bros Switch will really be on fire.. .
Not that I care much, but...

"Unnecessary" is really gonna depend. "Unlikely" sounds strange to me when Corrin, who's not nearly as bad, was already censored.
I already gave out my reason so, yeah, no comment and agree to disagree.
 

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DID SOMEONE SAY PLAYABLE ULTRA BEAST?!
On that note, I think Nihilego would actually be a sick character. It was prominent in the story, and heck, Lusamine dresses Lillie to resemble it. We don't have a playable rock or poison Pokemon, and Ultra Beasts are a new thing that were very prominent to the games that were developed around the presumed time of Smash's roster creation.
 
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To be fair, Lucina is one of the few girls with barely any visble chest in Sm4sh. It's why she pulled off a Marth, and she's not exactly a girly girl. So not every female is size triple G, a body so skinny a feather could break their spine, and disproportionate hips.
 
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Also, to answer the question on "Favorite pokemon as a pokeball"

. . .well I would rather Incineroar be playable. I imagine a grab wouldn't happen, so it would probably be a Darkest Lariat. Just spinning across the stage. That, or a malicious moonsault* that slams onto a part of a stage
*it isn't a moonsault

After that is Nidoking and Krookodile. No idea what to do with them. Earthquake is the logical choice, but that is already taken and unoriginal. Maybe a multi-hit poison jab for Nidoking and dig for Krookodile. Digs into the map, and then pops up below an enemy after a delay.
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I... I don't even. . Lol. This is hilarious.
Okay good chat.

To answer my own question about the Pokeball, I have actually stated my ideal pokeball before. I'll say it again for those who didn't see it though.

Bewear (shocker, right?) comes out of the pokeball and runs around the stage trying to scoop up players. It does it's signature tree-snapping hug to whoever it catches, inflicting massive damage. Being happy to get a hug and not realizing how much pain it caused the fighter, it sets the fighter gently down and pats them with a pleased smile.
Bewear would be really cool to see in Smash especially as it's like seven feet tall and tower over Bowser and Ganondorf.
 

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Guys. Guys. Guys.

Clearly a more important topic came up.


We need Buzzwole more than any other Pokémon.
Congrats, you just posted a broken image, so I'll just have to do the image honors for you.


Anyway, I'm in for a playable Ultra Beast, as it would feel much more unique, especially when Beast Boost is taken into account.
 

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I...think you're vastly underestimating the average conservative parent.
LOL

To be clear I was talking about her among XC2 Blades, not Smash characters, and how I question if Pyra's design alone, with no other context like suggestive dialogue among with countless moments of violence and other things, would have gotten the game rated T.

Among Smash characters.. yes, she's definitely going to raise the most parental eyebrows without changes.
 

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Also as a Pokeball, I think Stufful would be a hilarious pokemon that could be like Bonsly in Brawl, in the sense that you have to pick it up for it to do something. My idea for Stufful is that you pick it up and hold it in front of you. It doesn't want to be picked up, so it starts using Brutal Swing by kicking its feet in front of it/you. You could carry it around and run people over like a lawnmower lmao.
 

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Like...is that really an integral part of that character? Not their abilities? Not what they stand for? It's what they wear?

Is it reeeeally such a big deal if they don't look 100% accurate to the source material?
Not related to Pyra, but I do dread the idea of BotW Link in Smash for the loss of his iconic green tunic.

A character's visual design is a big part of what makes them, them. They're characters, not people.

And on the note of censorship, why are people worried about Pyra when she has more skin covered than Zamus' last two alts?
 

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If not as characters, Primarina amd Mimikyu would be nice. Alolan Exeggutor will also be VERY fun just for the towering effect.
 

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My hope is that the green tunic and the BotW outfit will be alts, like Mac and Wireframe Mac.
I mean you can obtain ALL of the tunics in BotW, I don't see them going away from Smash entirely. I wouldn't be shocked if Link was a 16 skin character in this game, like Little Mac in the last game, where he has 8 of each BotW and traditional tunic sets.
 

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Not related to Pyra, but I do dread the idea of BotW Link in Smash for the loss of his iconic green tunic.

A character's visual design is a big part of what makes them, them. They're characters, not people.

And on the note of censorship, why are people worried about Pyra when she has more skin covered than Zamus' last two alts?
One has the appearance of an adult women wearing athletic clothing, while the other looks like a young girl wearing booty shorts with thong straps.
 

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My hope is that the green tunic and the BotW outfit will be alts, like Mac and Wireframe Mac.
I'd really love a Smash Bros. game where they introduce 'Classic' and 'Modern' versions of characters. I know that sounds like some Sega BS but it'd be cool to play as a Mario with a moveset and design inspired by NES and SNES and a Mario with a moveset inspired by N64 onwards.

Obviously it'd only work for certain characters but Link would be a prime choice too.
 
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