Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MrSmashFour]

still well worth the watch!

 

[CyberWolfBia]

I would like to share something with you guys (again), but I don't want to be intrusive into the conversation (.. again).

It's something I put a lot of effort to contribute to speculation; not actually something that includes my opinion on the matter

 

[Deleted member]

I don't want Steve in Smash because he's ugly as ****.
Nothing to do with Minecraft or anything.

I just don't want to see his ugly face on my screen.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't want Steve in Smash because he's ugly as ****.
Nothing to do with Minecraft or anything.

I just don't want to see his ugly face on my screen.

Come to think about it, Steve looks kind of ugly.
Controversial opinion, but KOS-MOS looks ugly as well. Both have rugged and weird faces.

I just want to point out that one of Sakurai's rules when selecting characters is that "the character must display personality in their game".

What sort of personality does Steve show in Minecraft?

That is not a Smash rule. I mean heck, Subspace Emissary did give some characters personalities. Mr. Game and Watch has no personality either.

His deep character development and heartbreaking backstory has made R.O.B. one of my favorite characters of all time.

You are making me want a Subspace Emissary sequel even more....
The developers in Brawl did very well with R.O.B indeed, so I would love to see a Subspaced in a more advanced system that can handle more data for new cut-scenes and levels. Then again, it wold be a lot for the developers to take on indeed. Opossum did mention a lot of notable flaws about Subspace like "What happened to Crazy Hand" and stuff, that could totally be fixed in the next Subspace sequel. I just hope the Subspace Sequel has an Intensity move that is more difficult than the babyish Intensity mode in Brawl. Brawl's Intensity mode in Subspace was way too easy for me to be honest. It would be a dream come true for Subspace Emissary 2.

 

[Starcutter]

If we get Steve and the banjo skin from the console versions is an alternate costume I just might die

 

[TheLastJinjo]

let's not compare Tink to Young Link.

Why not??? They're the exact same fighter. It's the only time a character literally replaced another character.

@ShinyLegendary: "Digital STYLE."

 

[Senselessbreak]

It literally does not matter if Nintendo is 100% funding Bayonetta 3 or not, Bayonetta is still a property owned by SEGA, which still makes her third party.

Enough with this asinine meme.

According to Kamiya:
"As for Bayonetta 3, it was decided from the start that the game was going to be developed using Nintendo's funding. Without their help, we would not have been able to kick off this project. All of the rights still belong to Sega and Nintendo. "

So Nintendos owns Bayonetta 50/50 with Sega.

 

[Nauzgo]

Why not??? They're the exact same fighter. It's the only time a character literally replaced another character.

If so, then why isn't Young Link a costume for Tink? There are some differences that could be enough for him to keep his own slot.

 

[Camc10]

Pretty much everyone. Especially that super long commercial with the guy from Stranger Things.

Ill say this. Outside of The original N64 commercial, Smash 3ds (American and Japanese) had the best commercials.

Spoiler: Commercials

 

[Polan]

Pretty much everyone. Especially that super long commercial with the guy from Stranger Things.

Well that's news to me. I rode the Smash 4 hype train since 2013 and I don't remember anyone calling the game's marketing "childish". I do remember people memeing the sh*t out of that Last Seat commercial tho.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

I'm asking before posting, because I don't want to be warned by mods. Last time I thought was very inappropriate of my part.

but those are big lists I made based on what Nintendo and their partners released between last Smash game and the potential release (September) for this new one

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If so, then why isn't Young Link a costume for Tink? There are some differences that could be enough for him to keep his own slot.

They're different characters, but they have the exact same role. Young Link isn't "officially" replaced by Toon Link, but it was implied. Basically, they wouldn't do anything different bar slightly different movesets at best. The role of a child Link that is a clone is the purpose of both characters. They're both clones of the Adult Links. Hence, same role, different character.

CyberWolfBia You can always PM a mod to ask if what you want to post is inappropriate or not.

 

[?????????????]

As far as new 3rd Party characters go, all I really want is Rayman. That's my most wanted character overall.

Beyond that, there's PLENTY I'd think would be cool. The only ones that are a cut above for me is that...I'd really love to see either Shovel Knight or Shantae. I really enjoyed those games.

...And Simon Belmont would be a dream for me.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I don't want Steve in Smash because he's ugly as ****.
Nothing to do with Minecraft or anything.

I just don't want to see his ugly face on my screen.

Does this imply the likes of Ganondorf and Bowser are more attractive to you?

 

[?????????????]

Does this imply the likes of Ganondorf and Bowser are more attractive to you?

You clearly do not know @GoldenYuiitusin.

 

[Danpal65]

Does this imply the likes of Ganondorf and Bowser are more attractive to you?

You saying Ganondorf isn't a sexy beast?

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Forgot Wario.

I mean, his HW design does him more justice IMO.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Cmon, everyone knows the sexiest man in Smash is

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Cmon, everyone knows the sexiest man in Smash is

Dedede is the most gorgeous hunk of man in Smash FREE.

There's really only one person who can usurp such beauty from that throne though...

Spoiler

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If so, then why isn't Young Link a costume for Tink?

I think it would be cool if Young Link was an optional form of Toon Link, but that was a horrible argument.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I think it would be cool if Young Link was an optional form of Toon Link, but that was a horrible argument.

I think it has to do with different proportions. Pretty sure Sakurai has made a comment in the past that for a character to be an alternate skin they have to at least match the proportions. That could be done with Alph and Olimar since they wear the Spacesuit, and then Koopalings are mostly a clown car with a Koopa head sticking out, so it didn't go too far off the mark either. Toon Link's head alone makes their proportions really different. That guy has a head as big as his body.

 

[Curious Villager]

If so, then why isn't Young Link a costume for Tink? There are some differences that could be enough for him to keep his own slot.

Different size/proportions. Similar reason why Marth and Lucina (if I recall correctly) didn't work out.

 

[Pacack]

Even though Steve is a popular character, look at the Smash fanbase vs the fanbase for Minecraft. There is not nearly as much overlap as there is with Cloud, Ryu, and Bayonetta.

Whether that's true or not, that would only make his inclusion more likely to drive sales, not less. Essentially, ditto to what @Staarih said.

Steve/Minecraft would definitely pull in a lot of this/newer generation's gamers. Every new Smash game is a first Smash game for someone, anything Minecraft would definitely attract a whole new crowd, which I think would only be a positive.

@RelaxAlax put Steve on his roster too. I think he made a very great point stating that Minecraft can represent indie gaming as a whole. Although I disagree that Minecraft represents indie gaming NOW.

If anything, it would represent what indie games can become rather than what they are.

How popular is Steve among the Minecraft fanbase?

I believe his big selling point isn't his popularity, per se, but his recognizability. His biggest virtue is of being the default player skin in a massively popular game.

Can we just get a Minecraft stage? A stage would do a great job of encapsulating what people like about Minecraft. I mean who the hell cares about Steve as a character?

While a good idea in theory, I feel like Microsoft wouldn't want to go through negotiations for only a stage when they could make a case for a character, especially since they would want a portion of the proceeds.

My problem with "Steve" is that it's not a character. Literally, "Steve" is just a skin. (Unless the telltale games have Steve as a character)

Essentially, yes. However, he's also a skin that's so well-recognized that he has more officially produced merchandise than most Smash Bros characters.

There's also Alex, introduced in "The Bountiful Update," Steve's female counterpart, and Jesse, the main character of Minecraft: Story Mode, but neither of them are as well known as Steve himself.

Steve is part of the one category of characters that still has no precedent in Smash: 3rd party, modern, non-nintendo exclusive. Bayonetta was 3rd party but also nintendo exclusive. Pac, Mega Man, Ryu, Cloud, and Sonic are all 3rd party and not Nintendo exclusive but are also all characters with a lot of pedigree ("retro" so to speak even if they do use their modern designs more or less.) In my opinion I don't know if they're ready to start adding characters that are 3rd party, not nintendo exclusive, and fairly new.

On the other hand... a tiny part of my heart really wants Steve in smash just as a way to intentionally anger people I know. A lot of them would get mad if I beat them in smash with Steve.

While a decent argument, I'd argue that Minecraft has made its mark on history. It's already over six years old (not counting open beta), and it's the second best selling video game of all time after Tetris.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Different size/proportions. Similar reason why Marth and Lucina (if I recall correctly) didn't work out.

I think Marth/Lucina was just that Sakurai wanted Lucina's Falchion to hit differently than Marth's. Lucina is height difference is so small that it's insignificant, and they easily could've made them match heights and nobody would've noticed.

In regards to the Minecraft Steve inclusion, I personally hate the idea of him being in Smash. That being said, I have nothing but respect for what Minecraft has done, and it has earned a place in Smash just like any other 3rd party. It's an incredibly huge game and literally everyone has at least heard about it.
I would prefer they got a stage that spawned differently every time you played on it that had some of the evil creatures as hazards, but I recognize that there's plenty of potential for a playable character.

 

[Curious Villager]

I think Marth/Lucina was just that Sakurai wanted Lucina's Falchion to hit differently than Marth's. Lucina is height difference is so small that it's insignificant, and they easily could've made them match heights and nobody would've noticed.

Perhaps yes.

Eitherway, I don't really see Toon Link being re-replaced with Young Link (or ALBW Link etc) since his design has been the most recurring in the Zelda franchise, and apparently also a favourite with the Zelda team (or at least Eiji Aunuma) and Japan.

 

[Hinata]

The only new Link I'll accept (outside of the already confirmed BOTW Link) is Wolf Link.

 

[Senselessbreak]

The only new Link I'll accept (outside of the already confirmed BOTW Link) is Wolf Link.

1 adult link and 1 child link is all I'll except as 3 links would be way too much. We want new characters not the same character over and over.

 

[Danpal65]

1 adult link and 1 child link is all I'll except as 3 links would be way too much. We want new characters not the same character over and over.

I could see Wolf Link getting in, if only because it would also include, and probably focus more so on, Midna.

 

[Starcutter]

Kinda irrelevant but I still really hope that Professor Layton gets in smash.


And also, I kinda was really throwing away an undertale character as really unlikely, but I recently learned that it's extremely popular in Japan, and apparently Undertale on switch was the second most talked about thing after smash in Japan. Heck, They even have CONCERTS for the game there. I could see the human getting in, at least I think it's possible now haha

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

1 adult link and 1 child link is all I'll except as 3 links would be way too much. We want new characters not the same character over and over.

I know we already have Duck Hunt to be a good boy, but everything is better with 2 good boys. Wolf Link for Smash 5!

 

[Hinata]

I could see Wolf Link getting in, if only because it would also include, and probably focus more so on, Midna.

Yeah, that was my thought too. If Wolf Link got into Smash, he'd obviously have Midna riding on his back to help him, so we'd basically get 2 new Zelda characters for the price of one.

 

[N3ON]

If I wasn't before, consider me sold on on the character~

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I think Midna would be one of the more ideal AT upgrades. She's a very memorable character, and we don't have a quadrupedal character anymore now that Ivysaur is gone. Wolf Link and Midna would be great. Plus there's an awful lot of moveset potential between the wolf and Midna's twilight powers.

EDIT: I completely forgot about the character I mentioned in the post right before this, rip me

 

[Danpal65]

If I wasn't before, consider me sold on on the character~

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The guy who made this really does a good job on selling the concept of Laboman (what people are calling him) as a playable character. The palette swaps write themselves with different colour JoyCons and you could easily see things like the fishing rod being incorporated as his grab, or even Side-B that could act as a tether.

we don't have a quadrupedal character anymore now that Ivysaur is gone.

*cough*

 

[Senselessbreak]

If I wasn't before, consider me sold on on the character~

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Giant Robot seems like a better candidate.

 

[Gimmick-Hater]

Personally, I'd like to see Scorpion from MK as a third-party rep. He'd be a pretty crazy addition, is a gaming icon, and has a move-set that'd be unique to Smash. On top of that, the MK franchise has a long history with Nintendo. The gore can just be toned down, and Smash can just feature some of the cheekier elements of MK (like Friendships as victory poses, or taunts).

 

[Danpal65]

Giant Robot seems like a better candidate.

That'd be his Final Smash.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

The guy who made this really does a good job on selling the concept of Laboman (what people are calling him) as a playable character. The palette swaps write themselves with different colour JoyCons and you could easily see things like the fishing rod being incorporated as his grab, or even Side-B that could act as a tether.



*cough*

I have answered for my sins... My post now reflects my shame with many doggos.

 

[N3ON]

Giant Robot seems like a better candidate.

Well he's probably likelier, but I'd say Laboman represents Labo as a whole better.

I'd be cool with either, though I believe Laboman the more novel character.

 

[?????????????]

I'd be cool with either, though I believe Laboman the more novel character.

It kinda reminds me of Mr. Hanafuda.