Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ColietheGoalie]

There are two reasons I want more third-party characters. First, there are hardly any all-star Nintendo characters left. Some people seem to believe that there are hundreds left and yeah, I am not even going to bother touching that notion. Outside of the forgotten ones from last time around, King K. Rool and Ridley, we only have newer characters to look at (Spring Man, FE, X2, Pokemon, possibly Metroid and whatever Retro is working on), and another Mario character, such as... Waluigi, Daisy, or Toad. Yeah, like I said, bottom of the barrel. That is the only reason I am not even suspecting a lot of cuts to be real. Imagine them cutting an actual all-star for, well, whatever people are asking for nowadays.

Furthermore, if Sakurai uses ballot results or past requests, we are looking at Shovel Knight, Geno, or Rayman. None of which I particularly like. I want a third-party character to call my own, mang. Ryu was the closest, because I love fighting games. He does not control well at all though.

Either way, I agree that it is excessive, but the alternative is throwing in a bunch of second rate Nintendo characters or D-Listers which are not exactly the marketing catnip that Nintendo is seeking.

I get that it wouldn't be ideal from a marketing perspective, but personally I'd LOVE for them to start delving into the deep cuts of Nintendo a bit. We've got the stars, now start looking for some really cool side characters or one-off villains who'd make for fun additions. Keep the game about celebrating Nintendo, not just "whelp, out of main characters, guess we need to add other people's famous stuff!"

Third-Party characters can (and will) continue to make a big splash for the marketing side of things, but I'd rather have the game focus on Nintendo still, even if the characters they add aren't "big name" additions.

... if we continue adding third parties for quantity over quality, then it's only a matter of time before Minecraft Steve gets added in.

^THIS

 

[Morbi]

I get that it wouldn't be ideal from a marketing perspective, but personally I'd LOVE for them to start delving into the deep cuts of Nintendo a bit. We've got the stars, now start looking for some really cool side characters or one-off villains who'd make for fun additions. Keep the game about celebrating Nintendo, not just "whelp, out of main characters, guess we need to add other people's famous stuff!"

Third-Party characters can (and will) continue to make a big splash for the marketing side of things, but I'd rather have the game focus on Nintendo still, even if the characters they add aren't "big name" additions.


^THIS

The Legend of Zelda series is more or less completely one-off outside of Ganon, Impa, and Tingle. So they would still find pseudo-all stars, at least. I definitely want to see them up the rate of villains, Porky, Black Shadow, Meowth, and the aforementioned Ganon. That is obviously not even counting the two, K. Rool and Ridley, we missed out on for Smash 4. If Sylux is the main antagonist of Prime 4, throw him in too. Maybe even Andross? I would love that, I just doubt it would ever happen.

As for side characters, yeah. That is definitely going to happen. Some are better than others, that is all I can say.

I doubt we are going to get more third-party than first-party. But people should recognize that the floodgates have been opened. We might lose 2 or 3, but we will likely gain 5, in that case. Or keep everyone and add another one or two. Who knows? It is inevitable, however. So I am just trying to get excited about what we are going to get, and not what I want to get. Ya feel?

 

[Cosmic77]

In regards to whether or not we'll get a focus on more third-party newcomers or less iconic Nintendo characters, just remember that all of these third-party additions are gonna be tough to keep. Reaching agreements, possibly splitting the profits of DLC and Smash merch - there's a lot of trouble involved with these characters, and it might be a hassle for Nintendo to keep adding third-parties without cuts.

Personally, I'd prefer sticking with Nintendo characters as the focus. As time goes on, new iconic Nintendo characters will be created. Even if they aren't as old and iconic as someone like Wario or Zelda, I feel like they'll still be popular enough to attract casuals. Just look at the Inklings.

 

[J0eyboi]

The inherent issue is that is actually more or less false. The real reason people get annoyed at sword users is not because of the swords, it is because they DO play similarly. Marth has two clones, Lucina and Roy, while in Smash 4 they diversified him a bit, he still has the base of a clone. Corrin is the most different and she still shares a few moves, nothing serious. After that, we take a look at Shulk, a character many thought was a Project M mod of Roy because of their similarities. Seriously, he even has Dolphin Slash. But "ooh, he can press it again to swipe, so UNIQUE!" Shulk's only real difference relative to the other Fire Emblem characters is the Monado arts which are just multiplier influencers. This leads me to my last point, Ike, while wholly unique, at least when compared to the other Fire Emblem characters not named Robin, rounds up the "we all have counters and everyone but Roy has a charge neutral special. These facts ALL add up to the perception.

Beyond the Fire Emblem-esque swordsmen, you have Link and his TWO clones throughout the series history, Young Link and Toon Link. Now look, I do not want to get into an argument, but YL and TL are objectively different. Feel free to disagree and ignore facts as some do; however, you have to admit from a perception perspective, which is what creates the "too many swords" argument, that is another 3 redundant play-styles.

Lastly, Pit and Dark Pit. You see the problem? What you see as 9 play-styles, most people, including myself, obviously, see 3. Perhaps 3 and a half because Shulk does have a few major differences relative to the other examples. But you can even throw Meta Knight into this category, on similarities, because well, and this is merely opinion, surely one shared by people who believe that we are over-saturated with boring sword users. Neither of them even feel like sword users because they are jumping around swinging the swords like pool noodles. That is purely based on a "sensation" and therefore I do not count it. Just something to note.

Oh, wait, I forgot about the most egregious example of them all, Mii Swordfighter. Ugh...

That leaves, what, Robin, who only really throws her sword as a "unique" attribute as everything else is a slash or a jab. She is hardly even a sword user in the first place, but it does not help when most of her attacks using it are generic. Ike, while caught in Fire Emblem tradition, can be forgiven similarly to how many forgive Wolf or Lucas. And Cloud, who I have no problem with.

So, based on this rating, we can say that there are only 5 DEFINITIVELY unique sword users and about 7 passable out of 15. The roster is 60 (58-9 when counting YL) rounded up which means approximately a quarter of the characters use them. One third are unique, about half are workable.

Furthermore, Sakurai WAS planning on adding Chrom; however, he could not think of a unique move-set and went with the character that could offer so much more. To that end, I have a feeling we will see a similar prioritization moving forward. I can understand if you disagree, that is fine. Most people always point out that characters can punch or whatever straw man; however, hopefully this break down that I wasted my time on at least enables you do "get" the sword complaint. It is coming from somewhere. People are not just randomly hating on swords. Some of the most popular characters in the game use swords. The problem is with how they are handled. And they are NOT handled as they are in Soul Calibur, not by a ****ing long-shot.

You're looking at incredibly surface-level stuff here. First of all, Dark Pit and Lucina are last-minute additions who were originally just alt costumes for their respective characters. They don't count for anything.
Second, Roy. The only way you could possibly argue he and Marth play the same is if you know nothing about how either of them is played. Even in Melee, his reverse tippers, better mobility, and fast fall speed gave him an entirely separate playstyle, though not exactly an effective one, and him becoming less similar to Marth didn't somehow change that.
Next, Corrin. Corrin takes exactly 5 moves from other swordies: fair(Marth), uair(Marth), dtilt(Ike), ftilt(Robin, and this is a stretch), and Counter. S/he didn't just change a couple things, s/he's a very different character with a very different playstyle.
On to Shulk, where I'm going to have to concede a point: Shulk does, in fact, play like the Fire Emblem characters. All of them, at varying times, depending on his mood. Saying Shulk isn't his own character is like saying the iPhone wasn't innovative because all the technology used in it already existed beforehand: the only way to draw that conclusion is to seriously misunderstand how innovation works.
I could go on, but I'd rather end on a question: Do you think Ness and Lucas play similarly?

How many characters have an up-Smash that involves swinging their sword over their head in an arch? How many characters have a down-Smash that involves quickly swinging the sword in front and behind themselves?

In Smash 4? 6 out of 11ish, not counting Dark Pit or Lucina, and 8 out of 11ish, respectively, which sounds like a lot, but basically mirrors the stats for every other character type. Fun fact: upsmashes hit above you, and downsmashes hit in front and behind you low to the ground.

 

[Pacack]

Obligatory disclaimer that you guys shouldn't count out Steve as a possibility. Minecraft had appeared on all of Nintendo's last three platforms (Wii U, 3DS, and Switch), and the game is the second best selling video game ever, after only Tetris. Heck, it even got special Nintendo-themed skins, which few games can claim.

A personal distaste of the character does not negate the fact that he and his series are iconic to the video gaming industry. He fits all the criteria.

 

[Morbi]

In regards to whether or not we'll get a focus on more third-party newcomers or less iconic Nintendo characters, just remember that all of these third-party additions are gonna be tough to keep. Reaching agreements, possibly splitting the profits of DLC and merch - there's a lot of trouble involved with these characters, and it might be a hassle for Nintendo to keep adding third-parties without cuts.

Personally, I'd prefer sticking with Nintendo characters as the focus. As time goes on, new iconic Nintendo characters will be created. Even if they aren't as old and iconic as someone like Wario or Zelda, I feel like they'll still be popular enough to attract casuals. Just look at the Inklings.

I absolutely agree with this sentiment; however, the problem is "with time." This game is coming out this year and in the two years that we have not had Smash, not a lot has changed. That is the inherent issue this time around. I have no doubt that Nintendo will actually start using existing characters better and creating new ones, but that takes time. Time that is not really a factor for this title. It seems as though half the people I talk to believe that Arms or Xenoblade were "too late" to be considered here (I disagree, that is just a common opinion I read), and of course, to that end, by extension, FE16 and Metroid Prime 4 are not even out yet. And we are not even sure if we are getting a Gen 8 of Pokemon. Most of the new stuff is up in the air.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Obligatory disclaimer that you guys shouldn't count out Steve as a possibility. Minecraft had appeared on all of Nintendo's last three platforms (Wii U, 3DS, and Switch), and the game is the second best selling video game ever, after only Tetris. Heck, it even got special Nintendo-themed skins, which few games can claim.

A personal distaste of the character does not negate the fact that he and his series are iconic to the video gaming industry. He fits all the criteria.

Minecraft Steve is the primary reason I do not by any means want more third parties or even another Smash Ballot with this game. Bayonetta is one thing, but Minecraft in Smash is another.

 

[Morbi]

You're looking at incredibly surface-level stuff here. First of all, Dark Pit and Lucina are last-minute additions who were originally just alt costumes for their respective characters. They don't count for anything.
Second, Roy. The only way you could possibly argue he and Marth play the same is if you know nothing about how either of them is played. Even in Melee, his reverse tippers, better mobility, and fast fall speed gave him an entirely separate playstyle, though not exactly an effective one, and him becoming less similar to Marth didn't somehow change that.
Next, Corrin. Corrin takes exactly 5 moves from other swordies: fair(Marth), uair(Marth), dtilt(Ike), ftilt(Robin, and this is a stretch), and Counter. S/he didn't just change a couple things, s/he's a very different character with a very different playstyle.
On to Shulk, where I'm going to have to concede a point: Shulk does, in fact, play like the Fire Emblem characters. All of them, at varying times, depending on his mood. Saying Shulk isn't his own character is like saying the iPhone wasn't innovative because all the technology used in it already existed beforehand: the only way to draw that conclusion is to seriously misunderstand how innovation works.
I could go on, but I'd rather end on a question: Do you think Ness and Lucas play similarly?


In Smash 4? 6 out of 11ish, not counting Dark Pit or Lucina, and 8 out of 11ish, respectively, which sounds like a lot, but basically mirrors the stats for every other character type. Fun fact: upsmashes hit above you, and downsmashes hit in front and behind you low to the ground.

Perhaps you misread, I was talking about the perception of characters. Dark Pit and Lucina being late additions does not matter in the slightest because they are still on the roster, they are still besmirching the swordsman name.

I did not say they played the same. I said they had the same moves. I am a huge advocate of clones playing differently. It is why I prefer Falco to Fox, I could hardly have a preference if they were not noticeably different. Unless I had a bias for one of the characters, I suppose.

I was not really counting her. She was one of the "serviceable" ones, which, by the definition I used, made her not entirely unique, but not necessarily redundant either. Her play-style is ABSOLUTELY different, probably more dramatically than most of the other examples.

I never said he was not his own character though, I am just arguing that he was excessively borrowing. He was the other "serviceable" character. I have nothing against either of them. I am just saying that they do not help influence a different point of view when they have so many surface level similarities.

No.

 

[?????????????]

Between this thread and my "Cut 5 Characters" thread, I see a lot of people not simply wanting, but actually expecting Cloud to get cut.

Honestly, I would be surprised.

Why on Earth would they want to cut one of the biggest gaming icons of all time from the roster? I can understand not wanting him in the first place, but he's already there now. That'd be like cutting Sonic or Mega Man.

MAYBE there could be a..."licensing issue" or "disagreement" barring his return, like with Snake. But with the current relationship between Nintendo and Square-Enix, I really doubt it.

 

[Fenriraga]

First of all, Meteor Smasher isn't a class, they're called tech-chasers in Melee and bad in Sm4sh, also Falcon and Ganon do that better. Tank is even less of a thing, but Ganon is still better at it.

Second of all, I was referring to only Smash 4. They're much more different in other games, and they're much more terrible in other games. Also, arm invuln doesn't stand for armor, it literally just means "their arms can't be hit during these moves."

Third, I said they play similarly, not that they're semi-clones. Lucas and Samus play similarly, but that doesn't make Lucas a semi-clone of Samus. In fact, Ness, the character Lucas is a semi-clone of, plays nothing like Lucas except that they both kill you with backthrow sometimes.

Fourth, this is a stupid argument about semantic bull**** that ultimately doesn't matter and which your opinion on is probably decided by your interest in competitive play and how much you value aesthetics vs function, both of which are incredibly subjective. As such, it's completely pointless to argue further about it as neither will ever convince the other of their position.



I meant overall, and while Corrin's design looks very similar to the other lords, s/he also turns into a dragon, which is a pretty big distinguisher.

Firstly, I didn't mean to classify DK as a "Meteor Smasher" because that's silly. I just mean that Sakurai himself tends to focus on that as being one of DK's defining features, even though that obviously isn't the case in competitive. I just meant that as Sakurai's "Intent" for him.

Secondly, this is NOT a bull and contrived argument because now that I understand what you meant much, MUCH more clearly, I can actually agree in several regards.

I still don't think they play THAT similarly in competitive, and I do play competitive, but I also don't play Bowser or DK literally ever so I can't really claim to know that.

So... Yeah. I get you man. No need to shut me out. :V

 

[Pacack]

Minecraft Steve is the primary reason I do not by any means want more third parties or even another Smash Ballot with this game. Bayonetta is one thing, but Minecraft in Smash is another.

That's an appeal to emotion, though.

Logically, the choice makes perfect sense given Nintendo's friendliness with the brand. The game is extremely well-known, and the character is popular with a lot of people.

I'm not saying I want the character. I'm essentially indifferent to him. But to deny the possibility seems foolish to me.

 

[Cosmic77]

MAYBE there could be a..."licensing issue" or "disagreement" barring his return, like with Snake. But with the current relationship between Nintendo and Square-Enix, I really doubt it.

At the very least, I'm not so sure if SE wants FF to be associated with Smash Bros (and to a larger extent, Nintendo).

If Cloud doesn't return, it wouldn't surprise me. The effort SE took to include FF content in Smash was just pitiful, and I feel like Sakurai's silver tongue and strong enthusiasm for the character is the only reason they agreed to let Cloud be DLC in the first place.

 

[Morbi]

Between this thread and my "Cut 5 Characters" thread, I see a lot of people not simply wanting, but actually expecting Cloud to get cut.

Honestly, I would be surprised.

Why on Earth would they want to cut one of the biggest gaming icons of all time from the roster? I can understand not wanting him in the first place, but he's already there now. That'd be like cutting Sonic or Mega Man.

MAYBE there could be a..."licensing issue" or "disagreement" barring his return, like with Snake. But with the current relationship between Nintendo and Square-Enix, I really doubt it.

I more or less adhere to the theory that they signed a mutli-title contract in the first place. So I believe everyone is coming back, myself. At least with DLC characters, I have to imagine that during the time they negotiated for Ryu, they updated their Mega Man contract. And with Bandai Namco likely co-developing, it would be weird to see Pac-Man as the only cut.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

What I don't understand is why does some people thing this is just a deluxe edition of smash Wii U/3ds

I mean I already figured out it's not

Links main costume always changes based on the most recent link game and on another channel there was actually a very feint song be played speculated to be the main theme of smash switch.

 

[Superyoshiom]

That's an appeal to emotion, though.

Logically, the choice makes perfect sense given Nintendo's friendliness with the brand. The game is extremely well-known, and the character is popular with a lot of people.

I'm not saying I want the character. I'm essentially indifferent to him. But to deny the possibility seems foolish to me.

Even though Steve is a popular character, look at the Smash fanbase vs the fanbase for Minecraft. There is not nearly as much overlap as there is with Cloud, Ryu, and Bayonetta.

 

[Morbi]

What I don't understand is why does some people thing this is just a deluxe edition of smash Wii U/3ds

I mean I already figured out it's not

Links main costume always changes based on the most recent link game and on another channel there was actually a very feint song be played speculated to be the main theme of smash switch.

I believe it is more or less just a defense mechanism. They do not want to preemptively get excited only to have that torn away from them. If they keep their expectations low until the official announcement, they can preserve their mentality.

Beyond that, another reason is the time-frame. Again, it has only been about two years since the last DLC. I was actually just talking about it. Nothing really changed in that time-frame and therefore a new game is not necessarily justified. Combine that with Nintendo porting the entire Wii U library to the Switch and I can see where they are coming from even if I heavily disagree and believe the facts point the other way.

To be fair, the costume can be explained away via a deluxe edition and while the music is a dead giveaway, I am fairly certain most people missed it to be completely real with you.

 

[DraginHikari]

Between this thread and my "Cut 5 Characters" thread, I see a lot of people not simply wanting, but actually expecting Cloud to get cut.

Honestly, I would be surprised.

Why on Earth would they want to cut one of the biggest gaming icons of all time from the roster? I can understand not wanting him in the first place, but he's already there now. That'd be like cutting Sonic or Mega Man.

MAYBE there could be a..."licensing issue" or "disagreement" barring his return, like with Snake. But with the current relationship between Nintendo and Square-Enix, I really doubt it.

SquareEnix may not have a bad relationship with Nintendo but when it comes to the handling of their licenses are concerned they can be kind of strange about things. It's not always easy to predict what SE will agree to or suddenly pull out of at its own whim.

 

[Morbi]

SquareEnix may not have a bad relationship with Nintendo but when it comes to the handling of their licenses are concerned they can be kind of strange about things. It's not always easy to predict what SE will agree to or suddenly pull out of at its own whim.

I am not entirely sure about the past; however, the precedent within the last year or so definitely tells a different story.

 

[Senselessbreak]

Just for fun I'm going to make a checklist now and see how much I get right or wrong by the games release.
Why? Cause why not lol.

> Springman or Ribbongirl is added
> Rex or Pyra is added
> Takamaru is added
> Fossil Fighter is added
> A new 3rd party rep of some kind, maybe Crash
> King K Rool
> Wolf and Ice Climbers come back
> Decidueye is added
> DLC outfits of some kind added
> More clones this time around

Now we wait and see what happens <~<

For myself I say:

Springman
Rex and Pyra team
K Rool
Ridley
Rayman
Bomberman
Crash
Toad
Gen 8 Pokemon over Decidueye (Although Id say its 60/40 in this case)
Wolf and IC climbers
FE Switch Rep
2 retros. Im thinking Takamaru and Excite Biker
Chibi Robo

 

[Joe D.]

It's been a loooooooong time since I've been on here. I hope all of you are doing well.

I'm so excited for this game and I'm definitely hoping that it's a completely new IP and not a port. It sure as heck has been long enough.

If we're talking 3rd party characters, I think we should take a look at the possibility of Crash. I don't think it's outlandish at all considering how much Sakurai and co. reached for DLC in Sm4sh.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

What I don't understand is why does some people thing this is just a deluxe edition of smash Wii U/3ds

I mean I already figured out it's not

Links main costume always changes based on the most recent link game and on another channel there was actually a very feint song be played speculated to be the main theme of smash switch.

No it doesn’t. It stayed as Twilight Princess instead of going to Skyward Sword in Smash 4.

I still think it’s a full Smash 5, I just wanted to point that out.

 

[Morbi]

It's been a loooooooong time since I've been on here. I hope all of you are doing well.

I'm so excited for this game and I'm definitely hoping that it's a completely new IP and not a port. It sure as heck has been long enough.

If we're talking 3rd party characters, I think we should take a look at the possibility of Crash. I don't think it's outlandish at all considering how much Sakurai and co. reached for DLC in Sm4sh.

If I am being 100% honest, and just ignore the fact that Crash is in my signature, he is only there because I believe he is indeed likely and I prefer him to almost every other community suggestion. The guy right by him, yeah, Dante, he is who I want. But, Crash is realistically one of the only third-party characters that not only fits, but can hang with the other choices (not counting Bayonetta, who Nintendo blatantly wanted to push, come at me).

 

[Opossum]

Even though Steve is a popular character, look at the Smash fanbase vs the fanbase for Minecraft. There is not nearly as much overlap as there is with Cloud, Ryu, and Bayonetta.

Why should the fanbase of the character matter at all?

Hell, if we're resorting to fanbase stereotypes, Smash fans as a whole are among the worst, in my experience.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

It's been a loooooooong time since I've been on here. I hope all of you are doing well.

I'm so excited for this game and I'm definitely hoping that it's a completely new IP and not a port. It sure as heck has been long enough.

If we're talking 3rd party characters, I think we should take a look at the possibility of Crash. I don't think it's outlandish at all considering how much Sakurai and co. reached for DLC in Sm4sh.

Yep the best candidates for newcomers in the third party slot this time is easily crash bandicoot and probably shovel knight,

 

[Morbi]

Why should the fanbase of the character matter at all?

Hell, if we're resorting to fanbase stereotypes, Smash fans as a whole are among the worst, in my experience.

And that is precisely the reason I do not want Sandbag or Master Hand in the game. I would accept Crazy Hand, however, but the fan-base is still Ganondorf-tier.

Forgot this -

 

[RedBr971]

Everyone here is discussing about many things, and I'm just waiting for the leaks (and fake ones) to appear and drive people wild xD

 

[Morbi]

Everyone here is discussing about many things, and I'm just waiting for the leaks (and fake ones) to appear and drive people wild xD

We already got two Ridley leaks. RRIIDDLLEEYY 4our SMaSh, I am GoinG WIlD M8?!?!?! YEs.

In all seriousness, most leaks are fake and they need a basis upon which to fake a leak. We are not going to get much until we get more information on the game.

 

[RedBr971]

We already got two Ridley leaks. RRIIDDLLEEYY 4our SMaSh, I am GoinG WIlD M8?!?!?! YEs.

In all seriousness, most leaks are fake and they need a basis upon which to fake a leak. We are not going to get much until we get more information on the game.

Yea, I agree with you, but I still think 2 or 1 month before E3 we are getting information on something at least

 

[Senselessbreak]

We already got two Ridley leaks. RRIIDDLLEEYY 4our SMaSh, I am GoinG WIlD M8?!?!?! YEs.

In all seriousness, most leaks are fake and they need a basis upon which to fake a leak. We are not going to get much until we get more information on the game.

Vengebens leaks have been right in the past so I'm going to take him serious for now. Also that Resetera mod has been right with his hints as of lately and hes suggesting Ridley will happen and hes next to be revealed. So we don't have to wait too long to see if its real.

 

[LancerStaff]

Even though Steve is a popular character, look at the Smash fanbase vs the fanbase for Minecraft. There is not nearly as much overlap as there is with Cloud, Ryu, and Bayonetta.

Lol. Yeah sure. Just keep telling yourself that.

Especially after Cloud and Snake.

 

[Morbi]

Vengebens leaks have been right in the past so I'm going to take him serious for now. Also that Resetera mod has been right with his hints as of lately and hes suggesting Ridley will happen and hes next to be revealed. So we don't have to wait too long to see if its real.

I definitely agree, I am buying into the Ridley hype. Even without leaks, it just makes sense. He is perhaps the only "missing" character. Sakurai cannot keep pushing it off for arbitrary reasons, and even if he does, the demand is never truly going to die and Nintendo will likely step in. It is inevitable.

So, to that end, I am not surprised in the slightest that credible leakers are talking about him.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

All these people asking for more third parties, and I feel like I'm one of the few guys who, if anything, want a reduction in how many third-party characters we already have. Sonic, Mega Man, and Pacman are perfect by themselves. Anything else I feel is too excessive.

I think Bayonetta deserves to stay as well. She's practically a Nintendo franchise.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

It's been a loooooooong time since I've been on here. I hope all of you are doing well.

I'm so excited for this game and I'm definitely hoping that it's a completely new IP and not a port. It sure as heck has been long enough.

If we're talking 3rd party characters, I think we should take a look at the possibility of Crash. I don't think it's outlandish at all considering how much Sakurai and co. reached for DLC in Sm4sh.

If the planning for this Smash began in 2016, like everything suggests it did, then it was probably too early for Crash's inclusion, nobody knew whether his revival would be a success at the time, and we don't even know if a Switch port was on the cards as the PS4 version wasn't even out yet. I'm almost certain he'll be among the first DLC characters to be released though, Crash has become a big deal again and there's very little doubt that the N. Sane Trilogy will be a hit on the Switch, it's just such an obvious addition at that point.

 

[CannonStreak]

Vengebens leaks have been right in the past so I'm going to take him serious for now. Also that Resetera mod has been right with his hints as of lately and hes suggesting Ridley will happen and hes next to be revealed. So we don't have to wait too long to see if its real.

I would say we have a long wait, assuming we have to wait until E3. Just saying. But as much as I am taking this with a grain of salt, now that you mention it, I would not be surprised if Vengabens is right about Ridley.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

@RelaxAlax put Steve on his roster too. I think he made a very great point stating that Minecraft can represent indie gaming as a whole. Although I disagree that Minecraft represents indie gaming NOW.

 

[Ura]

So...

What do you guys think of a Xenoblade 2 character getting in like Rex/Pyra but only a Xenoblade X stage being added in?

The reason why i'm saying this is because Smash Switch's development started in like mid-2016 meaning if there was room for Monlith Soft to show Sakurai what Rex/Pyra would be it would only give him a chance to work on those characters and not any stages from Xenoblade 2. With that, Sakurai would only have Xenoblade Chronicles X to work with for a stage.

I don't think it's a big deal personally. XCX had a lot of stunning visuals that would work much better as a stage.

 

[Morbi]

If the planning for this Smash began in 2016, like everything suggests it did, then it was probably too early for Crash's inclusion, nobody knew whether his revival would be a success at the time, and we don't even know if a Switch port was on the cards as the PS4 version wasn't even out yet. I'm almost certain he'll be among the first DLC characters to be released though, Crash has become a big deal again and there's very little doubt that the N. Sane Trilogy will be a hit on the Switch, it's just such an obvious addition at that point.

There seems to be some weird misconception within the Smash community that just because the roster was decided at a certain point, that they are beholden to that as though it is the ten commandments or written in stone. That is not the case, and while this is not proven, I personally believe the Gematsu leak was real (which is ironic, because I was literally one of the only people that thought it was false during the time). In that case, Chrom was planned, as in decided, but that changed and we got Robin. It happens. Maybe Crash was added to the priority list and bumped someone else who he intended to put in the game off the list. Who knows? This does not just apply to Crash either. I see a lot of people denying the HYPER obvious Spring Man or Rex as a result of this strange opinion.

I would believe that most Smashers would realize that circumstances change. It happens within our series much more than most others.

 

[Staarih]

Steve/Minecraft would definitely pull in a lot of this/newer generation's gamers. Every new Smash game is a first Smash game for someone, anything Minecraft would definitely attract a whole new crowd, which I think would only be a positive.

 

[Cosmic77]

As a Ridley supporter, I'm treating everything said about him as a rumor. While there's power in numbers, it's hard to tell if any of these people are piggybacking off other rumors mentioning Ridley.

So...

What do you guys think of a Xenoblade 2 character getting in like Rex/Pyra but only a Xenoblade X stage being added in?

The reason why i'm saying this is because Smash Switch's development started in like mid-2016 meaning if there was room for Monlith Soft to show Sakurai what Rex/Pyra would be it would only give him a chance to work on those characters and not any stages from Xenoblade 2. With that, Sakurai would only have Xenoblade Chronicles X to work with for a stage.

I don't think it's a big deal personally. XCX had a lot of stunning visuals that would work much better as a stage.

Mario Kart 8 got a detailed stage in Smash Wii U, and the time between those games was six months. Even with a more niche game like Xenoblade 2, I think 9-12 months is enough time for a stage.

Regardless, I don't think X should get a stage if Rex/Pyra get added. That would be a dumb decision for multiple reasons.

 

[Senselessbreak]

So...

What do you guys think of a Xenoblade 2 character getting in like Rex/Pyra but only a Xenoblade X stage being added in?

The reason why i'm saying this is because Smash Switch's development started in like mid-2016 meaning if there was room for Monlith Soft to show Sakurai what Rex/Pyra would be it would only give him a chance to work on those characters and not any stages from Xenoblade 2. With that, Sakurai would only have Xenoblade Chronicles X to work with for a stage.

I don't think it's a big deal personally. XCX had a lot of stunning visuals that would work much better as a stage.

The development of XBC2 started in 2014. Also Monolith Soft helps with the Smash games so Sakurai and the creators are very close. He knew about Rex well in advance. Also he loved XBC2 and wrote all about it, so one way or another Rex is getting in.

Hell by the time the reveal of Rex in Jan 2017, Smash was likely just branching into the actual development process, as it probably took months to plan out and figure the whos and whats. A Winter 2018 Smash release means 2 years of dev time since the reveal of Rex publicly.