Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ChronoKatie]

Everytime someone mentions Gamefaqs they talk about how much it sucks.

Is it really that bad?

Honestly... Yeah. It used to be better, but it's almost as if the age group is much younger than here because you get a lot of immature and frankly hateful conduct.

 

[Deleted member]

I bought the Crash figure by NECA.

It is awesome, but i would have loved to see it with the same size as the Samus figure by Jakks Paciffic.

 

[lightdrago]

Everytime someone mentions Gamefaqs they talk about how much it sucks.

Is it really that bad?

Never go there. It’s a cesspool of hate.

 

[Deleted member]

Never go there. It’s a cesspool of hate.

I went once, and it was close to being like in 4Chan.

I only went to read Vergeben and some joke threads.

 

[CosmicQuark]

O.K.

Speculation time:

Several Insiders dont seem to trust the banner leak but arent clear as to WHY exactly.

Someone came to me and told me straight up that they saw proof of incineroar (im looking into their credibility/credentials etc... before I completely trust them but so far they do seem like they are someone who could have plausibly seen that). This is NOT my source I've been talking about just to be clear, this was someone else, thus im looking into if I can trust them.

MysticDistance put this out on Twitter:

View attachment 172604

"there will be a unique character trailer revealing two characters"

I highlight this quote because before all this banner stuff I was SPECULATING incineroar and ken might share a trailer (a lot of people were). IF thats actually true, that might be what mysticdistance is trying to hint at here in which case its awkward having a banner with Ken and NOT incineroar if Ken should be revealed along side him.

I'm looking into what proof exactly the person telling me they saw proof of incineroar actually saw. IF its somehow his reveal trailer/an image of his reveal trailer than that might be floating around with "insiders". IF that trailer also features Ken (especially if it has a splash art message for ken, as in HIS reveal trailer as well) THAT might be why insiders are "wary" of this banner leak.

BUT this person telling me they saw proof of incineroar ALSO said they now think incineroar might be held off for DLC or something if he was a late in development edition/low priority to sakurai, and the banner could be real if thats the case.

I'm just trying to follow all the bread crumbs here, but the realization that Ken might be tied to Incineroars reveal trailer I thought was worth getting out there, this doesnt make me doubt the banner leak (theres so much evidence surrounding where it came from and everything) but I'm trying to figure out why insiders seem to doubt it while only really being able to hint at "incineroar is probly in", with no clear counter argument to hm being possiblly held off for DLC (or even a bait character to catch leakers, though if they have SEEN him I see why they wouldn't think thats the case).

Yeah, I really can't see a first party character like Incineroar could ever share a trailer with a third party, even an echo, like Ken, despite the superficial similarities. I feel like Game Freak/TPC and Capcom would have a battle of egos. The two characters sharing a trailer does give me pause, as if the leak is true, I can't see any characters from the same series that would make sense in a single trailer. If the leak isn't true, I could see a situation such as Isaac/Felix. I'm wondering if Spawn Wave's "other character" could be Sora, and that's DLC being saved for the Game Awards, but from how he thinks it contradicts the leak it feels like there'd be little doubt they were a base character. Not to mention one of Mystic's sources mentioned *three* echos (now I'm trying to find the tweet, but I can't--am I mis-remembering that?). But, I dunno.

I really do feel like in order to remain consistent, one or more of these rumors/leaks have to be wrong.

 

[Zinith]

The one positive I can give GameFaqs is that I was able to join a Discord server that was VERY welcoming

 

[ChronoKatie]

Isaac fans, I have been trying to figure out what the heck he is supposed to be doing in the banner, but I just can't figure it out. I'm taking it as though it's suggesting that he just finished waving his sword with his right arm and the line of grass has formed in its path, sort of like a magic wand creating a trail of dust or something.

 

[Steve95]

Isaac and Mach Rider can have a double trailer

I mean both First Party, and Isaac is retro in 2018

 

[papagenos]

Yeah, I really can't see a first party character like Incineroar could ever share a trailer with a third party, even an echo, like Ken, despite the superficial similarities. I feel like Game Freak/TPC and Capcom would have a battle of egos. The two characters sharing a trailer does give me pause, as if the leak is true, I can't see any characters from the same series that would make sense in a single trailer. If the leak isn't true, I could a situation such as Isaac/Felix. I'm wondering if Spawn Wave's "other character" could be Sora, and that's DLC being saved for the Game Awards, but from how he thinks it contradicts the leak it feels like there'd be little doubt they were a base character. Not to mention one of Mystic's sources mentioned *three* echos (now I'm trying to find the tweet, but I can't--am I mis-remembering that?). But, I dunno.

I really do feel like in order to remain consistent, one or more of these rumors/leaks have to be wrong.

Yeah I really dont KNOW about Ken/Incineroar sharing a trailer I'm speculating how IF that was the case and insiders had seen evidence of that, THAT could make them doubt the banner but ONLY have incineroar to mention and it would fit mystic distances quote:

"there will be a unique character trailer revealing two characters"

I dont recall seeing mystic say 3echos, so if you find that do share it, but like you said maybe you are mis-remembering.

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

O.K.

Speculation time:

Several Insiders dont seem to trust the banner leak but arent clear about WHY exactly.

Someone came to me and told me straight up that they saw proof of incineroar (im looking into their credibility/credentials etc... before I completely trust them but so far they do seem like they are someone who could have plausibly seen that). This is NOT my source I've been talking about just to be clear, this was someone else, thus im looking into if I can trust them.

MysticDistance put this out on Twitter:

View attachment 172604

"there will be a unique character trailer revealing two characters"

I highlight this quote because before all this banner stuff I was SPECULATING incineroar and ken might share a trailer (a lot of people were). IF thats actually true, that might be what mysticdistance is trying to hint at here in which case its awkward having a banner with Ken and NOT incineroar if Ken should be revealed along side him.

I'm looking into what proof exactly the person telling me they saw proof of incineroar actually saw. IF its somehow his reveal trailer/an image of his reveal trailer than that might be floating around with "insiders". IF that trailer also features Ken (especially if it has a splash art message for ken, as in HIS reveal trailer as well) THAT might be why insiders are "wary" of this banner leak.

BUT this person telling me they saw proof of incineroar ALSO said they now think incineroar might be held off for DLC or something if he was a late in development edition/low priority to sakurai, and the banner could be real if thats the case.

I'm just trying to follow all the bread crumbs here, but the realization that Ken might be tied to Incineroars reveal trailer I thought was worth getting out there, this doesnt make me doubt the banner leak (theres so much evidence surrounding where it came from and everything) but I'm trying to figure out why insiders seem to doubt it while only really being able to hint at "incineroar is probly in", with no clear counter argument to him possibly being held off for DLC (or even a bait character to catch leakers, though if they have SEEN him I see why they wouldn't think thats the case).

Have you considered the possibility of it being two other unique newcomers? (banjo, isaac, etc) the only reason i bring this up is because of the very likely chance of ken being an echo (then again i could extremely wrong, since ive never really played ken) since as i understand it, he's fire Ryu.

Isaac fans, I have been trying to figure out what the heck he is supposed to be doing in the banner, but I just can't figure it out. I'm taking it as though it's suggesting that he just finished waving his sword with his right arm and the line of grass has formed in its path, sort of like a magic wand creating a trail of dust or something.

He's using a spell from GS called "Growth"

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Everytime someone mentions Gamefaqs they talk about how much it sucks.

Is it really that bad?

I used to be an active user on Game FAQ's and it's atrocious. Nothing but negativity and idiocy all around filled with users who are pessimistic about everything.

Take my advice and avoid it like the plague.

 

[ChronoKatie]

Have you considered the possibility of it being two other unique newcomers? (banjo, isaac, etc) the only reason i bring this up is because of the very likely chance of ken being an echo (then again i could extremely wrong, since ive never really played ken) since as i understand it, he's fire Ryu.

He's using a spell from GS called "Growth"

Oh I get that, but his position? Is it like he just finished waving his sword over the ground and that casted growth? It seems like he is holding the sword in his right hand, but I can't tell.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Yeah I really dont KNOW about Ken/Incineroar sharing a trailer I'm speculating how IF that was the case and insiders had seen evidence of that, THAT could make them doubt the banner but ONLY have incineroar to mention and it would fit mystic distances quote:

"there will be a unique character trailer revealing two characters"

I dont recall seeing mystic say 3echos, so if you find that do share it, but like you said maybe you are mis-remembering.

Indeed, I had the same thought and if we're trying to see the connection between the leaks/rumors, assuming they're true, I feel like that's the only thing that fits. Assuming some of these are false, though, it's hard seeing Kencineroar sharing a trailer.

Found it, it was in a reply not on their main feed.

 

[papagenos]

Have you considered the possibility of it being two other unique newcomers? (banjo, isaac, etc) the only reason i bring this up is because of the very likely chance of ken being an echo (then again i could extremely wrong, since ive never really played ken) since as i understand it, he's fire Ryu.

He's using a spell from GS called "Growth"

It could be anyone sharing a trailer together, I just dont see how that would throw doubt into the banner, where as IF ken/incineroar share a trailer and insiders knew that... it could be why they doubt the banner but only have incineroar to back up their doubts.

I think the banner has so much going in favor of it, and that is of course just a theory about ken/incineroar, im just following any ideas i can think up to understand what exactly is up with incineroar in all this.

 

[DutchPichu]

papagenos why do you think YOUR souce is being honest?

 

[Jetsurge]

Yeah, I really can't see a first party character like Incineroar could ever share a trailer with a third party, even an echo, like Ken, despite the superficial similarities. I feel like Game Freak/TPC and Capcom would have a battle of egos.

Would the same company that let Ridley kill Megaman really care?

 

[beans]

O.K.

Speculation time:

Several Insiders dont seem to trust the banner leak but arent clear about WHY exactly.

Someone came to me and told me straight up that they saw proof of incineroar (im looking into their credibility/credentials etc... before I completely trust them but so far they do seem like they are someone who could have plausibly seen that). This is NOT my source I've been talking about just to be clear, this was someone else, thus im looking into if I can trust them.

MysticDistance put this out on Twitter:

View attachment 172604

"there will be a unique character trailer revealing two characters"

I highlight this quote because before all this banner stuff I was SPECULATING incineroar and ken might share a trailer (a lot of people were). IF thats actually true, that might be what mysticdistance is trying to hint at here in which case its awkward having a banner with Ken and NOT incineroar if Ken should be revealed along side him.

I'm looking into what proof exactly the person telling me they saw proof of incineroar actually saw. IF its somehow his reveal trailer/an image of his reveal trailer than that might be floating around with "insiders". IF that trailer also features Ken (especially if it has a splash art message for ken, as in HIS reveal trailer as well) THAT might be why insiders are "wary" of this banner leak.

BUT this person telling me they saw proof of incineroar ALSO said they now think incineroar might be held off for DLC or something if he was a late in development edition/low priority to sakurai, and the banner could be real if thats the case.

I'm just trying to follow all the bread crumbs here, but the realization that Ken might be tied to Incineroars reveal trailer I thought was worth getting out there, this doesnt make me doubt the banner leak (theres so much evidence surrounding where it came from and everything) but I'm trying to figure out why insiders seem to doubt it while only really being able to hint at "incineroar is probly in", with no clear counter argument to him possibly being held off for DLC (or even a bait character to catch leakers, though if they have SEEN him I see why they wouldn't think thats the case).

Honestly, the way some of them arent really taking a side makes me think they are just like us in the dark.
Maybe not that dark but their flashlight is surelly running out.
And the detail of conflicting info makes me believe it even more that some of those sources are trolls, have fake info, outdated info, or are straight up leak bait. But still, insiders sources are a mistery that I dont trust yet

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

papagenos why do you think YOUR souce is being honest?

He has explained that it's because of who his source is.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Would the same company that let Ridley kill Megaman really care?

Truuuuue. Incineroar's tagline should be "Incineroar - Burns Ken to a crisp"

 

[Zinith]

There'll be 5 CG trailers and NONE of them will have my boi in them...

 

[beans]

Would the same company that let Ridley kill Megaman really care?

THIS RIGHT HERE ^^^^^^
One of the reasons the grinch isnt trustworthy is the timespan they would have to reveal everyone and comply to third parties demand.
Capcom straight up let Sakurai kill Rock for Ridley trailer.

 

[Deleted member]

Just as a change of pace, who do you think will be the first DLC reveal a la Mewtwo? As much as I want Rex/Elma I feel like it'll be a more popular character like Sora or (if the leal is fake) Isaac to entice people into buying the DLC before whipping out the slightly less requested but stil very requested characters

 

[TheBlue10]

Isaac fans, I have been trying to figure out what the heck he is supposed to be doing in the banner, but I just can't figure it out. I'm taking it as though it's suggesting that he just finished waving his sword with his right arm and the line of grass has formed in its path, sort of like a magic wand creating a trail of dust or something.

It looks to me like he's using Psynergy (possibly Growth) to create plant life.

 

[Deleted member]

There'll be 5 CG trailers and NONE of them will have my boi in them...

tbh Yoshi feels like he's getting shunned. I know that he was revealed last in EVERYONE IS HERE alongside Luigi as a refrence to either Brawl or Smash 4 but he wasn't even on the blog yet right? Like this boi is part of the og 12, give him some respect lol

 

[Squirtle/Mario guy]

Is there a Smash Crusade moveset that isn't disappointing?

not sure but i think Weegee, Goku and the absense of Dedede was a mistake

 

[beans]

Just as a change of pace, who do you think will be the first DLC reveal a la Mewtwo? As much as I want Rex/Elma I feel like it'll be a more popular character like Sora or (if the leal is fake) Isaac to entice people into buying the DLC before whipping out the slightly less requested but stil very requested characters

First DLC will have to be a breaker. Mewtwo was mostly just an announcement with no fanfare.
It will have to be or a third party or one of the newer games like XC2 or Arms

 

[Rummy]

It could be possible that Ken will be a base echo and be used for a trailer containing Incineroar as DLC.

Just my thought.

 

[Door Key Pig]

I'm guessing the double trailer could be ONLY 3rd parties: Shadow and Ken getting their company-mandated spotlight after Richter did.

 

[MainJPW]

There'll be 5 CG trailers and NONE of them will have my boi in them...

That also eliminates the chance of him being brutally murdered like Mario, Megaman, Luigi and Dedede.

 

[papagenos]

He has explained that it's because of who his source is.

Yeah this basically.

Theres a bit more to it but i've explained that in my videos and in some older posts already and I dont want to keep going over it too much as its walking on egg shells everytime i give out details.

I will stress I trust my source but its their source, a microsoft source, that is the one with actual info so theres a chain of info here.

the new person telling me they had seen proof of incineroar, i believe they COULD have seen that, but I'm still looking into their credentials/credibility before i totally trust them.

but I wanted to let people know someone did contact me and tell me that, whether its true or not though I do not know but it certainly could be.

 

[dilfsR'us]

Isaac fans, I have been trying to figure out what the heck he is supposed to be doing in the banner, but I just can't figure it out. I'm taking it as though it's suggesting that he just finished waving his sword with his right arm and the line of grass has formed in its path, sort of like a magic wand creating a trail of dust or something.

Its a stretch but i think he might be petting or interacting with a djinn more specifically flint because of the way that he is kneeling and because there is a bit of tan and brown by isaac's foot that reminds me of the djinns color scheme... or it could just be his boot looking wierd we wont know for a while if the leak is real.

 

[HyruleHero]

O.K.

Speculation time:

Several Insiders dont seem to trust the banner leak but arent clear about WHY exactly.

Someone came to me and told me straight up that they saw proof of incineroar (im looking into their credibility/credentials etc... before I completely trust them but so far they do seem like they are someone who could have plausibly seen that). This is NOT my source I've been talking about just to be clear, this was someone else, thus im looking into if I can trust them.

MysticDistance put this out on Twitter:

View attachment 172604

"there will be a unique character trailer revealing two characters"

I highlight this quote because before all this banner stuff I was SPECULATING incineroar and ken might share a trailer (a lot of people were). IF thats actually true, that might be what mysticdistance is trying to hint at here in which case its awkward having a banner with Ken and NOT incineroar if Ken should be revealed along side him.

I'm looking into what proof exactly the person telling me they saw proof of incineroar actually saw. IF its somehow his reveal trailer/an image of his reveal trailer than that might be floating around with "insiders". IF that trailer also features Ken (especially if it has a splash art message for ken, as in HIS reveal trailer as well) THAT might be why insiders are "wary" of this banner leak.

BUT this person telling me they saw proof of incineroar ALSO said they now think incineroar might be held off for DLC or something if he was a late in development edition/low priority to sakurai, and the banner could be real if thats the case.

I'm just trying to follow all the bread crumbs here, but the realization that Ken might be tied to Incineroars reveal trailer I thought was worth getting out there, this doesnt make me doubt the banner leak (theres so much evidence surrounding where it came from and everything) but I'm trying to figure out why insiders seem to doubt it while only really being able to hint at "incineroar is probly in", with no clear counter argument to him possibly being held off for DLC (or even a bait character to catch leakers, though if they have SEEN him I see why they wouldn't think thats the case).

If they've straight up seen Incineroar in the game then perhaps he is only a pokeball item and they got that confused because they assumed he'd be playable. It's hard because you don't know how or where they saw it.

 

[Zinith]

tbh Yoshi feels like he's getting shunned. I know that he was revealed last in EVERYONE IS HERE alongside Luigi as a refrence to either Brawl or Smash 4 but he wasn't even on the blog yet right? Like this boi is part of the og 12, give him some respect lol

Honestly, they do it because they feel they can get away with it. If it was any other OG 8, like Fox, everyone would throw a fit...

That also eliminates the chance of him being brutally murdered like Mario, Megaman, Luigi and Dedede.

It'd be more respect than not being in them at all...

 

[Door Key Pig]

If we have three more echos, Im guessing Shadow, Ken, Dixie.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Just as a change of pace, who do you think will be the first DLC reveal a la Mewtwo? As much as I want Rex/Elma I feel like it'll be a more popular character like Sora or (if the leal is fake) Isaac to entice people into buying the DLC before whipping out the slightly less requested but stil very requested characters

Usually I'd think it's too soon to speculate DLC not knowing the full roster. I think it's still too early, though this "leak" gives us an idea what it could potentially be like. Assuming the leak is true, I'm guessing Incineroar would be the first First Party DLC character and Sora would be the first Third Party character, if neither is in the base. Lots of assumptions based on leaks/rumors that may be true/false/misleading, but that's something. Or, many of these characters are DLC, but a lot of them I just can't see being DLC, such as Mach Rider and Chorus Kids, and it would seem like a weird cross-section of DLC compared to last time, unless it's like a "first season" type thing. All of these are brain farts though, because I'm tired but can't sleep.

 

[beans]

Yeah this basically.

Theres a bit more to it but i've explained that in my videos and in some older posts already and I dont want to keep going over it too much as its walking on egg shells everytime i give out details.

I will stress I trust my source but its their source, a microsoft source, that is the one with actual info so theres a chain of info here.

the new person telling me they had seen proof of incineroar, i believe they COULD have seen that, but I'm still looking into their credentials/credibility before i totally trust them.

but I wanted to let people know someone did contact me and tell me that, whether its true or not though I do not know but it certainly could be.

Most of the confusion with the insiders come with the Incineroar proof.
We dont know what they've seen. It could be a render, it could be the mural, it could pure gameplay or just a list with everything.

 

[ChronoKatie]

Its a stretch but i think he might be petting or interacting with a djinn more specifically flint because of the way that he is kneeling and because there is a bit of tan and brown by isaac's foot that reminds me of the djinns color scheme... or it could just be his boot looking wierd we wont know for a while if the leak is real.

Aha! That is making more sense as I can now tell that his sword is sheathed. Where is his scarf though? Suppose he wouldn't have to have it. Might just be too blurry to even guess.

 

[Zinith]

What if Sakurai gave us a poll of several ideas for Echoes he can develop swiftly and chooses the top 4 or so?

 

[AzureFlame4]

The fact that it took so long for people to move on from "gen 7 Pokemon" to "Incineroar is it" makes me think Incineroar is most likely DLC. Could also explain why he seems to be a character a lot of people know about if he happened to be a character they were working on more recently due to being a Mewtwo like DLC. I really don't think Incineroar was planned for base game.

 

[Door Key Pig]

Maybe he and Geno are the DLC and Chorus Kids are one of the remaining unique base newcomers?