Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KatKit]

I'm a huge fanboy of it haha.

There are dozens of us! But seriously, I'm a fan, too. :D Still waiting for the 3rd and 4th Cold Steel games to maybe one day come out in the US.

 

[Glaciacott]

Technically, as part of the graphic design world, the strongest point against the leak is that it's too early. If Nintendo works as an average company they should send the stuff to printing in the last 48 hours before release.

Where do you get this timeline from? Because, as part of the video game world, 48 hours before release sounds impossibly late

 

[Nap_]

I always wonder about one info. If the leak is false and the box theory is true, why in the world Sakurai carried the toy mech for his upcoming project? Makes no sense.

That toy mech still confused me to this day..

Hm, I'm a box theory believer just for avoid the salt, but if we take some insiders info looks like there's more than just Incineroar missing, at least one more. And Ken is also in the banner, so... There's something more than Kenincineroar, so box is dead. Just according to what some of them said lately. But take it with care.
And about the mech... Meh, it could be for something no related with Smash or for another lame boss robot like the Brawl ones. Or even for March Rider or Ray 01 if the leak is fake and there's room for more.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...sh_bros_ultimate_for_a_few_hours_last/e8hzx8a

Someone claims in the new build they turned down the smoke and everything is more saturated (colorful).

Makes me happy. I generally enjoy colorful over dark and gritty, imo. (For video games)

 

[Jedisupersonic]

There are dozens of us! But seriously, I'm a fan, too. :D Still waiting for the 3rd and 4th Cold Steel games to maybe one day come out in the US.

I'm using the transcript someone made for 3 to play it early, I just finished the Crossbell games not too long ago as well.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

There's like a new page every 5-8 minutes in this thread. We're pretty ridiculous and it's epic.

 

[Darkurai]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...sh_bros_ultimate_for_a_few_hours_last/e8hzx8a

Someone claims in the new build they turned down the smoke and everything is more saturated (colorful).

Ehh I feel like we're hear about a new build. This feels like someone after a Smash Wii U patch saying "they changed this character! I swear!"

 

[MainJPW]

Damm Etika wasn't faking he actually had a mental breakdown and is in a mental hospital now.

I feel so bad for him his whole channel and source of income are now gone out of the window and now we probably won't see his reactions of the final characters.

A close friend of his said that was false.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Luigi The President]

Have activated hyper drive

Chadndorf leak states Ray was cut
Ray uses a action, mech gun, similar to the toy Sakurai got for research

Means nothing, but I couldn't just not state it

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Hello, everyone.
I am sorry for interrupt the conversation. You all probably dont know who I am since I have been a guest that has been looking at this topic as a guest. I have been here since this thread was started to see people like Zinith become the unofficial pet with his love of Boshi. I have seen the low and ups , stuff like when the topic was separated into the general discussion thread and the leaks thread. The reason I decided to make an account was just to share a few opinions. I hope no one minds my interruption and I apologize in advance if it does.

I wanted to say that I dont think it is fair to compare this to the ESRB leak. It is a different situation, in that one we had many images that showed stuff in the game and we even got a video of gameplay. I think that saying the two are the same basically ignore what makes the grinch leak and the ESRB leak special. The grinch leak has stuff proving to be related to someone that works on the graphics design field, an amazing possibility and an empty background. The moment you treat the two as the same is the momento people start bringing up irrelevant points like "this is like the Little Mac situation". I humbly request the people of this thread to try to separate the two. Dont compare them, measure them on their own merits.

The second thing, I want to bring up is that I understand that people usually have a mentality of either or. I know that people want to see the info of insiders and Verge about Incineroar as a threat to the leak but it isnt. There is a chance that both can be true since this isnt necessarily the whole roster. Just as posible, they could both be fake. Verge didnt have the whole roster, but it doesnt mean that the information he gave was wrong. Just because there is information that can be contradictory, it doesnt necessarily mean that it is contradictory. I think the positions of people like Vaanrose and Zinith are the most healthy ones. Dont try to prove that a leak is right or wrong. Analyze everything, be curious, share your knowledge and let people come to their own conclusions. The truth will eventually arise (sooner rather than later in this case).

Finally, I want to recommend people to consider what they share. There has been a lot of misinformation spread especilly today when people lied about the words of Serebii and Vergeben, or when people brought up points that have aready been proved fake like the gem situation with Megaman. What is worse is that fake stuff and real stuff is constantly posted ad nauseum. I believe it would help the thread if it didnt have to constantly stop to repeat what is being said especially when it happens with the next page.

Anyway, I apologize once again for interrupting the discussion. I have read many times how people here are curious about what guests have to say so here is a ex-guest sharing his thought.

Welcome, Hope you enjoy your stay...

 

[Untouch]

Someone in the reddit thread is claiming that the tailgate thing is using the new build as well.

 

[AreJay25]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...sh_bros_ultimate_for_a_few_hours_last/e8hzx8a

Someone claims in the new build they turned down the smoke and everything is more saturated (colorful).

IIRC, someone from Nintendo (I think JC?) said that the game looked visually better following E3, so this would definitely line up with that.

The footage from Wendy's looked notably more colorful as well.

 

[NineS]

Welcome, and I appreciate the shoutout. Yes that mindset is a good one to hold.

Man it's such a weird feeling to have someone's first post mention me

You're famous.

You're an iconic member to all the guests.
I need to work harder to achieve that status!
I need to get crazier. More outspoken! Disregard any and all dignity I have!

but also follow the rules and guidelines as I do. i'm not that crazy.

Howdy! Folks call me Noipoi! Welcome to the boards!

Your "Iconic to the guests" status is also probably higher than mine... From now on, we're all rivals!
Rivalry over. It's too tiring.

Hey guys!
Im back!
What are the news?

Nothing much, still talking about the Banner.

 

[Nekoo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...sh_bros_ultimate_for_a_few_hours_last/e8hzx8a

Someone claims in the new build they turned down the smoke and everything is more saturated (colorful).

I can confirm what he's saying. I've been playing (And ****posting here) at the PGW too today, but I thought it was the TV for the Saturation lmao, maybe it's indeed something that changed.

I'll go back Sunday There to play the game. If you want, I could try and find/test more stuff.

 

[jwillenn]

Parries, new liberties with Phantom Slash, and Pikachu recovering so quickly from landing a Dair that he gets a mixup opportunity! Edit: That was still an auto-cancel. My bad.

Until next time! <-from the face of a man who's waiting in agony for the next direct

 

[RyuhoFox]

I'll never understand this stance, really. People give series like Pokémon and Fire Emblem this all the time and pretend like the fans of that series all like the same thing. In a massive series with a massive amount of characters, not everyone is gonna like the same ones. Why should they "be grateful" if they personally don't like the current available choices?

I'm fortunate as a Pokémon fan and a Smash fan. I really like Mewtwo, Ivysaur, Lucario, and Greninja, and have a soft spot for Pikachu from a nostalgic perspective. Even then, I could personally do without Pichu, Squirtle, and Jigglypuff, and dislike Charizard. There are also other Pokémon I'd like to see, like (chances be damned) Chandelure, Klefki, and an Alola Pokémon in general (with Decidueye being my preference).

As a Fire Emblem fan and a Smash fan, I'm also fairly well off. I got my favorite character, Chrom, and my fifth favorite character, Marth. Beyond that, I like Lucina but she's not among my favorites, I have no feelings one way or the other regarding Ike, Roy, or Robin, and I greatly dislike Corrin. Chances be damned, I'd still like to see characters like Celica, Caeda, or Merric.

But ask a Fire Emblem fan or a Pokémon fan what they'd prefer and each would have a different answer. People don't look at how many characters a series has. That's dumb. Smash isn't the House of Representatives. They look at whether they like the individual characters.

And personally speaking, if I had the choice? Despite being a Decidueye fan first and foremost, I would gladly take Incineroar over some of the Grinch leak characters if given the chance, especially Shadow, Geno, and Banjo. "Pokémon has nine characters" be damned.

I think it's even sillier since Pokemon Trainer gets treated like 3 separate character slots for some reason seemingly to make it seem like it is taking up more than it is.

Honestly I still want Salazzle the most. Harem lizard is awesome to me.
Also still want Krystal to bust out of her AT and become playable.

Don't know which has less of a chance to happen.

 

[Nap_]

Where do you get this timeline from? Because, as part of the video game world, 48 hours before release sounds impossibly late

Just joking. A lot of work comes too late and the client want it for tomorrow very often.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Have activated hyper drive

Chadndorf leak states Ray was cut
Ray uses a action, mech gun, similar to the toy Sakurai got for research

Means nothing, but I couldn't just not state it

I mean, that gun could very well be for Mach Rider, like some people are speculating...

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Ehh I feel like we're hear about a new build. This feels like someone after a Smash Wii U patch saying "they changed this character! I swear!"

Oh boy we're going to go through all that all over again too.

I can't wait for "I think this move does .5% more!"

 

[amazonevan19]

Alright we have @Doctor_Cupcakes joining us on the Spawncast tomorrow night to talk about this Smash leak. Also @JordanFringe94 will be joining us!

— Spawn Wave (@SpawnWaveMedia) October 27, 2018

oh boy

inb4 30 minutes of "muh blurriness" and "MUH INCENAROOAAAARRRR REEEEEEEEEE"

 

[Aerospherology]

Hit it, Chewie!

 

[vaanrose]

Yes, I agree and I already pointed this out a while back.

Now I'd like if someone can analyze the picture on the cylinder and find where it matches with the banner. I have tried myself but they look like completely different images to me... if we can find where it mathces and can compare the two thing, maybe we can get more informations., at least in favor of "team fake".

My point is:
-the artifacts on the picture are consistent between the different pictures (empty battlefield, characters, empty battlefield with logo) so they aren't due to bad quality of the picture.
-if you apply some filters to the E3 banner it creates some artifacts that make it more similar to the one of the leak
-the picture on the cylinder is extremely blurry.

View attachment 172468

If we can confirm that the cylinder matches the banner, it could prove that the banner is blurry not because of the bad quality of the picture, but because some filters have been applied to the picture, maybe intentionally to hide the flaws.
It still wouldn't debunk the thing completely but it would be a huge evidence against it.

(I kinda see Mewtwo's face but it seems flipped horizontally, and completely misplaced also; the surrounding stuff doesn't match either).

I think this is probably a dead end. It's such a small chunk of the image. I think that's Jigglypuff, but it doesn't look like Ness next to her, but it's such a blurred ball of mush I can't really make a definitive statement either way.

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

Well, I've seen some replies like yours, and I have to say, I apologize if I felt entitled to say wether people need to be helped or not. Guess this the lesson I learned today.

On the other hand, I'll just say this: I personally liked that there were people trying to prove it's fake. At first I couldn't believe this leak; it was too good to be true. Later on, as I learned about more details, I started getting excited, and actually believing it was real. If it had been just that, I would still believe it, and would have gotten disappointed in a few weeks. I am actually grateful to the people who found out the empty battlefield banner and pointed out the inconsistencies, because that's what I personally took as proof that it was fake. Hell, even seeing that proof was a huge bummer by itself, I can't imagine multiplying that by 10 from being disappointed during a direct.

Another thing I've been seeing, is that we're adults and we can take disappointment. Well, obviously we can. When I talk about crushing disappointment, I don't mean crying, ranting mean tweets to Sakurai, or having a hissy fit on the internet. We're not babies. I mean stuff like having your mood ruined for the day, or even week. Having the excitement for waiting for the game worsened, hype going from a 10 to an 8. Worsening the experience. Sometimes people are going through rough times and cling to their passions in order to cope and stay strong (That is my case). And I'd say most of us are very passionate about Smash, otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing in cyclical conversations and over-analyzing everything we can find.

So again, sorry if I projected my own feelings into the whole community. We're all different and we should respect everyone's ways to enjoy things.

No, you're fine! Sorry if I came off as as being overly negative toward your viewpoint. It's perfectly fair, the way you put it.

And you actually answered a question I asked before, that I never really got much of an answer to--why are so many so dedicated to avoiding disappointment. For some, Smash means a really huge amount, because it may be one of the only positive things helping them get by at the moment. I've certainly been there with many games, but I suppose this Smash hasn't been near as big of a deal for me as some of those times, because things are okay with me. If anything, I've learned a lesson here myself: this Smash means far more to some people than it does to me, and they have every right to be cautious.

The important thing, I think, is understanding, and at least trying to attain it. I appreciate this conversation immensely, because it has helped each of us understand the other's feelings. It's actually pretty incredible to find that on the internet, much less in the midst of this craziness.

In any case...respect to you, both teams, and anyone else in between. And I wish you luck with whatever struggle you may be dealing with.

Smash and debate in peace, everyone!

 

[Untouch]

I can confirm what he's saying. I've been playing (And ****posting here) at the PGW too today, but I thought it was the TV for the Saturation lmao, maybe it's indeed something that changed.

I'll go back Sunday There to play the game. If you want, I could try and find/test more stuff.

This is going to sound VERY random, but it isn't. Have the character portraits been updated? (Notably Ridley.)

 

[IcyBrawler]

I can confirm what he's saying. I've been playing (And ****posting here) at the PGW too today, but I thought it was the TV for the Saturation lmao, maybe it's indeed something that changed.

I'll go back Sunday There to play the game. If you want, I could try and find/test more stuff.

Don't worry about having to find stuff. If you have limited time to play, just play and have fun while you can. It will be a while before the game is out (obviously). We have find stuff then.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Alright we have @Doctor_Cupcakes joining us on the Spawncast tomorrow night to talk about this Smash leak. Also @JordanFringe94 will be joining us!

— Spawn Wave (@SpawnWaveMedia) October 27, 2018

oh boy

inb4 30 minutes of "muh blurriness" and "MUH INCENAROOAAAARRRR REEEEEEEEEE"

bUt iT's miSSInG InCIneroAR!!111!!! sO itS fAKE!!

 

[Mutsukki]

I can confirm what he's saying. I've been playing (And ****posting here) at the PGW too today, but I thought it was the TV for the Saturation lmao, maybe it's indeed something that changed.

I'll go back Sunday There to play the game. If you want, I could try and find/test more stuff.

Is it a new build though...?

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Alright we have @Doctor_Cupcakes joining us on the Spawncast tomorrow night to talk about this Smash leak. Also @JordanFringe94 will be joining us!

— Spawn Wave (@SpawnWaveMedia) October 27, 2018

oh boy

inb4 30 minutes of "muh blurriness" and "MUH INCENAROOAAAARRRR REEEEEEEEEE"

It's probably going to be that :/

 

[The DanMan051]

I mean, that gun could very well be for Mach Rider, like some people are speculating...

Or it could've been for the Inklings. The only characters before them that use handheld guns in Smash are the spacies, and that's solely for their neutral special and a couple grab follow-ups. Not like Inkling, who's walking around with it and using it for a big chunk of their moveset.

Oh boy we're going to go through all that all over again too.

I can't wait for "I think this move does .5% more!"

At least it showing decimal percentages now makes that verifiable.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

A close friend of his said that was false.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I can’t believe Christine has downgraded so badly

 

[Luigi The President]

Really hoping our Direct's the 1st, not the 8th.

"It just makes a lot of sense.

1 It's a Thursday, like many directs.

2 One day before special Switch is released.

3 Early enough to leave two free weeks for promoting Pokémon.

4 Leaks are going to be more and more of a danger the closer we get to release. The biggest thing is the roster."

 

[IcyBrawler]

Is it a new build though...?

Yes, apparently the newest demos for the game are using an updated build.

 

[Nekoo]

Really hoping our Direct's the 1st, not the 8th.

"It just makes a lot of sense.
1 It's a Thursday, like many directs.
2 One day before special Switch is released.
3 Early enough to leave two free weeks for promoting Pokémon.
4 Leaks are going to be more and more of a danger the closer we get to release. The biggest thing is the roster."

You forgot the important point.

One less week of **** throwing at each others about that damn leak.

 

[vaanrose]

Have activated hyper drive

Chadndorf leak states Ray was cut
Ray uses a action, mech gun, similar to the toy Sakurai got for research

Means nothing, but I couldn't just not state it

Here in Eagleland, I can write my toy purchases off on my taxes if I claim them as work research. I have never been able to shake the feeling Sakurai is just doing that, lol.

 

[SmashingXan2]

Hey, btw, what ever happened to Final Smash Comics?

 

[Luigi The President]

Here in Eagleland, I can write my toy purchases off on my taxes if I claim them as work research. I have never been able to shake the feeling Sakurai is just doing that, lol.

...that'd make sense LMAO

 

[Tyrathius]

If there's a new build out, hopefully we'll see the sprout item soon.

 

[Luigi The President]

Hey, btw, what ever happened to Final Smash Comics?

Creator shut it down for mental health reasons

 

[Ridleyridster]

Really hoping our Direct's the 1st, not the 8th.

"It just makes a lot of sense.
1 It's a Thursday, like many directs.
2 One day before special Switch is released.
3 Early enough to leave two free weeks for promoting Pokémon.
4 Leaks are going to be more and more of a danger the closer we get to release. The biggest thing is the roster."

Yeah, I feel like it will probably be the 1st too. I just don't see Nintendo trying to crowd it too close to Pokemon's release.

 

[NineS]

A close friend of his said that was false.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Then the lady came up with evidence against what she said.

Granted, both of them seem to have evidence that is contradictory.

At this point, arguing which is actually right is like arguing over whether the banner theory is real.
Seems more like these two are trying to get publicity, but Alice definitely had Etika on the phone. Even if it doesn't make sense...

If there's a new build out, hopefully we'll see the sprout item soon.

I just want to see the Final Build already. But that probably won't happen until next month.