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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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CheckmateChuck

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Let's not doxx somebody who might not even have any real connection to this. I would assume the guy has had enough trouble over the past few days.
 

shinhed-echi

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What's the problem with people not want her to be a woman when its official?
I find it cool that we already have 3 colors for Mach Rider.

Blue jumpsuit with white helmet (and spiked shoulderpads)
Red jumpsuit with red helmet (no spikes in shoulderpads)
Black jumpsuit, black helmet (spikes in shoulderpads).
 

osby

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I used to want Shadow's to have the exact same FS as Sonic. But seeing how Sonic's sucks... so ... very... MUCH in Ultimate (what are they thinking, seriously??) I prefer Shadow using Chaos Blast.
Why it sucks? It does what Super Sonic does in his original games and it seems to get the job done.
 

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I've been doing some thinking, and I think this leak could very likely be real.

Of course, there's still the possibility it's fake, so I don't really want to go in-depth about what I was thinking, but y'know.


I also noticed something in the leak:

Grinch Leak2.png


I don't know if this is a lamp or what, but look at the design; it looks like it may be the character mural again, the pink blob being Kirby; the other colors seem to lineup as well. This has to do with what I was thinking about; they clearly had access to some printing workshop or something with a bunch of materials for making decorations for marketing, which is why I find it really unlikely they were a bunch of young sociopaths trying to fake a leak, along with the discrepancies in the background probably being due to printing/ink costs.

edit: apparently it's actually a diagram...derp.
 
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Ramen Tengoku

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Is it possible someone who works in the company used a previous employees name to avoid being discovered
That's at least what I'm speculating...
I find it cool that we already have 3 colors for Mach Rider.

Blue jumpsuit with white helmet (and spiked shoulderpads)
Red jumpsuit with red helmet (no spikes in shoulderpads)
Black jumpsuit, black helmet (spikes in shoulderpads).
I kinda want all of them to be alt costumes... imo
 
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ZeldaPlayer87

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I won’t link it on here or DM the link to anybody. All I can say is that neither company is listed in his profile, but he definitely went to school in France. The only thing in his profile of note is that he works for or helps design an mobile game called “Dorfleben.” Sounds a bit German though. Who knows. Also, his profile background is his last name “Bricard” stylized to look like the letters are on fire, almost as if they were graphically designed that way.
 

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I've been doing some thinking, and I think this leak could very likely be real.

Of course, there's still the possibility it's fake, so I don't really want to go in-depth about what I was thinking, but y'know.


I also noticed something in the leak:

View attachment 172284

I don't know if this is a lamp or what, but look at the design; it looks like it may be the character mural again, the pink blob being Kirby; the other colors seem to lineup as well. This has to do with what I was thinking about; they clearly had access to some printing workshop or something with a bunch of materials for making decorations for marketing, which is why I find it really unlikely they were a bunch of young sociopaths trying to fake a leak, along with the discrepancies in the background probably being due to printing/ink costs.
No, it's a guy at the publication company who faked it. Doesn't mean it's not faked.
 
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For the love of...

Do not harass this man and try to track him down. This fan base is very much entering "not cool" status with this leak. This man 100% has nothing to do with it, and all spreading his name around carelessly and trying find pages and other things about him will do is open him up for harassment from the crazier sides of the fandom.

There are lines, people, and I would suggest we don't cross them. It's a VIDEO GAME. Please keep things in perspective and do not pry into this man's life when you have absolutely no right doing so.
 

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I would love for Shadow (and Cloud, and Mach Rider) to be able to steal Wario's bike AND USE IT.

Since all of them can ride one. (Although... these guys can also use a bike: :ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultlink::ultinkling::ultisabelle::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultmegaman::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultrosalina:)
 

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hero03_en[1].jpg


I think I found an explanation to why the castle normally seen in the banner isn't seen in the "leaked" background.
l_illust[1].jpg

It is visible in the banner we got after Isabelle is revealed, but not in revolving banner on the site, it's being covered up by Pichu there. There's a lot more to work with in the revolving banner since the picture is significantly larger, so they could have used that one as the base.
 

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I'm with everyone who says not to give the Facebook page. It is possible that it could be a friend/relative of the person who did the thing or it could be a (very elaborate) hoax.

Yet unnecessary poking leads to trouble. People have gotten harmed over others unrelated choices. I remember reading how a person got killed over a $1.50 bet in a Call of Duty game that he had no part in.

So let's not go too overboard with trying to find information on the person please?
 

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Regardless of whether Mach Rider is a man or a woman, if there's not a surge of fanart of them with Captain Falcon, then what's the point.
 

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ik Nintendo was well aware of project m (heh) but does anyone know how much Sakurai was aware of Project M and/or Legacy? Shadow was one of the biggest and most requested names for those projects and if Sakurai was at least marginally aware, that bodes well for my boy's inclusion.

Regardless of whether Mach Rider is a man or a woman, if there's not a surge of fanart of them with Captain Falcon, then what's the point.
inb4 is female so people make art of Captain Falcon "with" Mach Rider...if you know what I'm saying

Never change 4chan, never change
 
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KMDP

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I don't know if this is a lamp or what, but look at the design; it looks like it may be the character mural again, the pink blob being Kirby; the other colors seem to lineup as well. This has to do with what I was thinking about; they clearly had access to some printing workshop or something with a bunch of materials for making decorations for marketing, which is why I find it really unlikely they were a bunch of young sociopaths trying to fake a leak, along with the discrepancies in the background probably being due to printing/ink costs.
I think that pink blob is Jigglypuff (this doesn't discount the rest of the post or anything).
 

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That's pretty bad***. Loved how he got in the middle of Sonic's Here trailer from Brawl.

I'm going to be really upset if he doesn't get his own trailer. I would love to be hyped at more Sonic content being in the spotlight for once.
Same, like I don't know if the devs have a bias against Sonic or SEGA's just really stubborn. At least we have both of his stages here (GIVE US MORE MUSIC. LOTS MORE. 20 SONGS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT).
I used to want Shadow's to have the exact same FS as Sonic. But seeing how Sonic's sucks... so ... very... MUCH in Ultimate (what are they thinking, seriously??) I prefer Shadow using Chaos Blast.
My friend who played Sonic at a demo we went to a while ago said you can move Sonic along his horizontal axis, so I don't think it'll be worthless. Definitely seems better for FFAs than 1v1s though.
 

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For the love of...

Do not harass this man and try to track him down. This fan base is very much entering "not cool" status with this leak. This man 100% has nothing to do with it, and all spreading his name around carelessly and trying find pages and other things about him will do is open him up for harassment from the crazier sides of the fandom.

There are lines, people, and I would suggest we don't cross them. It's a VIDEO GAME. Please keep things in perspective and do not pry into this man's life when you have absolutely no right doing so.
Finally, a shred of Humanity, seriously, this leak is doing no one favors at all, either the whole community is dissipointed and he gets sent death threats or someone loses there job and Sakurai's work is spilled everywhere and his work is ruined.

If your happy with what is happening, I really don't know what to say.
 
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Imadethistoseealeak

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At least everyone can agree that Dark Samus is a female newcomer, right? There is no debate regarding her, right? :troll:
Alright this may seem hypocritical but it's not and I don't feel like driving into a topic on gender theory and sexism on a Smash brothers forum, but nah realistically and canonically Dark Samus should be genderless, unless someone points to a source that the Metroid prime had a gender.

i know you were joking btw I just think it's cool we have a genderless alien villian on the roster lol
 

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A comment on the Mach Rider being male/female: why can't we have both with alternates like pokemon trainer or robin
 

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I'm making a list of all the Team Fake and Team Real arguments. This is what I have so far:

Team Fake:
  • Many changes to background
  • Stolen renders and artwork
  • Supposed leaker was fired 2 years ago, and he's over 50 years old
  • No copyright information for Rare or Camelot on the back of the box
  • Low quality image
  • The Grinch renders are also stolen
  • New plant item is a Smash original or from another series

Team Real:
  • Changes made to background for cost to mass produce
  • No renders or artwork have been claimed as stolen
  • May also be a case of identity theft and may also be a different French graphic design company
  • Copyright information is only for the characters on the box
  • May have needed to sneak a picture, and it was also sent through Snapchat.
  • The Grinch renders are real
  • New plant item is from Golden Sun
 

osby

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ik Nintendo was well aware of project m (heh) but does anyone know how much Sakurai was aware of Project M and/or Legacy? Shadow was one of the biggest and most requested names for those projects and if Sakurai was at least marginally aware, that bodes well for my boy's inclusion.
Refer to Waluigi.
 
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I'm making a list of all the Team Fake and Team Real arguments. This is what I have so far:

Team Fake:
  • Many changes to background
  • Stolen renders and artwork
  • Supposed leaker was fired 2 years ago, and he's over 50 years old
  • No copyright information for Rare or Camelot on the back of the box
  • Low quality image
  • The Grinch renders are also stolen
  • New plant item is a Smash original or from another series

Team Real:
  • Changes made to background for cost to mass produce
  • No renders or artwork have been claimed as stolen
  • May also be a case of identity theft and may also be a different French graphic design company
  • Copyright information is only for the characters on the box
  • May have needed to sneak a picture, and it was also sent through Snapchat.
  • The Grinch renders are real
  • New plant item is from Golden Sun
Team HMM:
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
 

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I would love for Shadow (and Cloud, and Mach Rider) to be able to steal Wario's bike AND USE IT.

Since all of them can ride one. (Although... these guys can also use a bike: :ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultdaisy::ultlink::ultinkling::ultisabelle::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultmegaman::ultpit::ultdarkpit::ultrosalina:)
Don’t forget my boy.:ultness:
As well as :ultdk: & :ultdiddy: from Kart Wii
And technically :ultpokemontrainer:too and :ultsonic: if we’re counting the Olympic spin-offs.
 
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Imadethistoseealeak

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A comment on the Mach Rider being male/female: why can't we have both with alternates like pokemon trainer or robin
This is honestly the best scenario. I'd love this.
inb4 is female so people make art of Captain Falcon "with" Mach Rider...if you know what I'm saying

Never change 4chan, never change
Once again Captain Falcon is one of the most shipped character in gay smash art soooooo it's gunna happen no matter what XD


Btw I'm loving this conversation more. Team true vs. fake for Mach Rider's gender is way more interesting than for the Grinch Leak.
 
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Whether it's real or not the circumstances around it are pretty odd. The Eric guy is in his 50s, and he knows who Isaac and Geno and the chorus kids are? Most hardcore gamers in their teens and twenties don't know these characters. And this guy is a professional in his 50s. Also "Lol :b: **** Nintendo!" doesn't sound like a middle aged man, it sounds like a teenager. But then why behave this way at all? He is old enough and should have enough experience to know not to jeopardize his career and reputation over video games. Is it possible he did these things? Of course, but it seems very very unlikely.

On the other hand is it possible he's the scapegoat for the leak? So some guy frames him to lead people on a wild goose chase that ends where the guy works? To what end? To keep people occupied for an extra 6 hours? To ruin this guy's reputation? Again possible but unlikely. Either if its real or fake it doesn't pass the smell test.
The French are notorious for being stuck up ***** though, so "lol, **** Nintendo" is definitely in line with what a disgruntled Frenchman in his 50s would say if he's in a ****ty mood. (no offence to Frenchies on here btw, I think you know as well as I do what I'm talking about though). Europeans are a lot more callous in general compared to Americans. When we voice our thoughts, we do it bluntly, and it's not uncommon for people to ***** about their work either, regardless of age.

Two, who's to say he knew who all those Nintendo characters were specifically if he leaked it? If anything, it's just as possible he didn't know he was leaking anything, that's why he blundered. Him knowing who they are is really more of a necessity for it be fake. Plus, what's there from stopping someone in their 50s from being a videogame fan. In a sense, companies almost prefer you have an afinity for gaming if their clientele are gaming companies. He doesn't need to be a Nintendo fan mind you, after all, Europe is Sony territory. And if it's console wars that inspired him to make the post, then it would reinforce the "**** Nintendo" comment. He didn't realize he was leaking anything, thus wasn't fully aware of how widespread his post would get. Which would explain why he was so haphazzard about leaving a trail of breadcrumbs back to him.

And here's one final bit, in regard to the Chadnondorf leak. It's in PERFECT English. Eric is a Frenchman in his 50s. Thus, the likelihood of him being fluent in English seems slim imo. Maybe N3ON N3ON can give her two cents on this as well. But in my experience, in European countries like France and Spain, it's usually the younger people who can speak/write English very well. The older generations, not so much. English education is actually very behind, especially in France as well were there's not only a rivalry with England, but also a sense of pride in French culture and language. Thus, the probability of Eric being fluent in English, and browsing English-centric websites like 4chan to make a fake leak seems slim imo, BECAUSE he's in his 50s, this makes him as old as my dad.

And again, I know I'm painting broad strokes here, I don't mean to be insulting to anyone who's French (I actually really like the French personally, they're just as big dickheads as I am, lol), that's why I'm inviting NEON to elaborate on this, as I'm only speaking from the general opinion where I live, as well as personal experience. After thinking about it though, I really don't think Eric is the person behind the Chadnondorf leak though. They seem more like they're two separate instances.

Also, it seems unlikely Eric is a scapegoat imo. Too elaborate a plan for one, but him denying he knows anything about it is the very thing you'd do if you were in his shoes, and just MAJORLY ****ed up. But his name's on that Snapchat. It came from his phone. Or the phone/Snapchat profile of someone named Eric (whatever his last name is).
 

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Alright this may seem hypocritical but it's not and I don't feel like driving into a topic on gender theory and sexism on a Smash brothers forum, but nah realistically and canonically Dark Samus should be genderless, unless someone points to a source that the Metroid prime had a gender.

i know you were joking btw I just think it's cool we have a genderless alien villian on the roster lol
The closest thing is that Dark Samus is referred to as "she" and "her" (by other characters(?) and the developers).

Obviously, this doesn't specifically make Dark Samus female physically, but it's something.

Also, Metroids have "Queens" so they might have a physical sex, even if we can't tell what those sexes are.
 

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Why it sucks? It does what Super Sonic does in his original games and it seems to get the job done.
I think he meant its functionality is bad. It only seems to zip around in the middle of the screen and can easily be avoided from what I've seen from the demo.

I want to see Shadow’s weaponry to appear in some way, like his victory animations or maybe even his official render baiting people into thinking he’ll use it ala Ganon/Dark Pit.
Lethal arms ( Can't wait for Geno ) are okay but I want to see him with his Chao holding a Katana and an Axe.

 
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The best part of this leak, even if it's fake, are the sheer number of quality memes. Mass ironic dabbing is the best/worst thing to come of this.
 
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But Pokemon only really leans on one or two per generation above all others.

The rest are fan-made echo chambers.
Most people assumed Decidueye but Incineroar is still bought into now only because of leaks really. Between the starters, lycanroc and legendaries you've got a fair few believable choices to tell leakers and they wouldn't be specifically questioned.
 

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I'm making a list of all the Team Fake and Team Real arguments. This is what I have so far:

Team Fake:
  • Many changes to background
  • Stolen renders and artwork
  • Supposed leaker was fired 2 years ago, and he's over 50 years old
  • No copyright information for Rare or Camelot on the back of the box
  • Low quality image
  • The Grinch renders are also stolen
  • New plant item is a Smash original or from another series

Team Real:
  • Changes made to background for cost to mass produce
  • No renders or artwork have been claimed as stolen
  • May also be a case of identity theft and may also be a different French graphic design company
  • Copyright information is only for the characters on the box
  • May have needed to sneak a picture, and it was also sent through Snapchat.
  • The Grinch renders are real
  • New plant item is from Golden Sun
I'm on Team "It doesn't matter either way because a character I want is likely, in either situation"
 

TaichiYaegashi

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Just want to say I know we all want to know if the leak is real or fake but don't harass the poor man..
I'd like to think we can be better than that.
 

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I just want Banjo, and if he's not in there a disgustingly good roster already announced. The only thing I actually need is solid single-player modes.
 

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View attachment 172285

I think I found an explanation to why the castle normally seen in the banner isn't seen in the "leaked" background.
View attachment 172286

It is visible in the banner we got after Isabelle is revealed, but not in revolving banner on the site, it's being covered up by Pichu there. There's a lot more to work with in the revolving banner since the picture is significantly larger, so they could have used that one as the base.
The bridge is still there, plus comparisons to the website banner probably won't be 100% as the website banner likely had to have characters be moved around to better account for the fact that the website banner loops.
 
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