Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

Does anyone have IntelliHeath's higher-res image of the leaked banner?

 

[Untouch]

So far the SG streams main point is simply that the amount of newcomers is just too much for the leak to be truly valid or real.

Understandable but it's been 25 minutes of this boys lol

I don't know what people expect, no one is going to be able to disprove anything based on that little blurry mess.

 

[Dcas]

Let's try to accept. The leak is just too solid to be fake.
The guy was traced and work with something related to Bandai Namco. Also, the other 4chan leak that says the exactly same from the figure. Gematsu is also a evidence, since with Chorus Kids inclusion, he was right about every single choice, but Sakurai delayed some characters to Ultimate.
It's just... I'm also not completely happy about it since I couldn't care less about Mach Rider, but at least we got Geno and Isaac.
This means that Dixie is the UNIQUE character that is a giant request from a long time and is missing. The 4chan leak she was cut, what probably was done because they chose K.Rool. I'd bet that Sakurai would already insert a new Dk character, Dixie, but K.Rool was so big in the ballot that he dropped her and picked K.Rool.

I only wish that Dixie appears as DLC. Maybe he thought people would riot with 2 Dk newcomers and could not made her a echo fighter... Now it's time to wait for DLC speculation and this leak be 100% confirmed in the next direct.

I would glady accept it, its literally every single nintendo character ive wanted (just missing chrono) in the game but this leak seems too impressive to be real, ill just wait for the direct with a tiny shimmering ray of hope that the leak is real.

 

[Das Koopa]

So the deal with the insiders is one guy (Steve) doubts this based on interactions with other insiders, and several credible people are owing to Steve's legitimacy. That's fair, but it's as much hearsay as anything else we've run into. We don't know the names of those insiders, their full track records, what they've gotten right, what they've gotten wrong, the details of what they've gotten right/wrong are, etc.

I think you could reasonably use it as a point for #TeamFake but it's a weak point because nobody is actually explaining WHY it's fake. That's my only problem.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...to-figure-out-the-latest-big-smash-bros-rumor

IGN has now reported it. It's getting to bigger groups, and while one could argue it's for clickbait, I'm fairly certain that they don't typically dive into leaks unless there's a significant chance of it being real.

For example, Vergeben and the Sassy Geno leak were never covered. Granted, those are far smaller compared to an entire ****ing roster leak. But I checked on a whim, and here we are!

 

[Deleted member]

Vergeben didn't have all the info.

These guys probably don't either.

The direct can't come soon enough; it's the only thing that can make or break this leak...

Nah, the promo material for the new Grinch film can also prove or disprove this, and that could come sooner.

 

[Abha]

I have proof that his leak may or may not be real but am not able to disclose it right now, i'll give it to you in 2 weeks though.

 

[Luigi The President]

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...to-figure-out-the-latest-big-smash-bros-rumor

IGN has now reported it. It's getting to bigger groups, and while one could argue it's for clickbait, I'm fairly certain that they don't typically dive into leaks unless there's a significant chance of it being real.

For example, Vergeben and the Sassy Geno leak were never covered. Granted, those are far smaller compared to an entire ****ing roster leak. But I checked on a whim, and here we are!

J-Jones
You
You leave Sassy Geno outta this

 

[Dan]

Isn't this a whole lot more believable/harder to fake than ESRB was at the time? Let's just say the screenshots at least; the video was the nail in the coffin.

 

[CroonerMike]

So like I’m cool with people believing it and not believing it. I’m cool with people trying to disprove it with things like shadows and etc.

But I HATE when people try to do it because “DUHH IM AN INSIDER and I got info BUT I CANT SAY BECAUSE IM PROTECTING PEOPLE”

Then DONT say anything at all idiots. It’s simple. We know you want your little bit of fame too, you’ll get yours one day, but please don’t do that bull**** of “trying to protect jobs” because you’re not protecting anyone.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Spawn Wave: Sakurai must be furious about this leak
Also Spawn Wave: It appears to be fake
Also Spawn Wave: But what if tho?

I kid in good fun--I think he's a trustworthy source, but I think it's fair to say the juxtaposition is a bit confusing without having seen his in-depth statements.

 

[Luigi The President]

I don't know what people expect, no one is going to be able to disprove anything based on that little blurry mess.

There's SO much surrounding it that I'm not sure why you'd only focus on the blurry mess

 

[AzureFlame4]

This is Ultimate's equivalent to the ESRB leak. I'm really feeling it.

Debate all you want.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Have we considered the possibility that we could just keep getting music and blog updates after the games comes out? Like, we could see Beware The Forests Mushrooms on Tuesday, December 11th.

I thought about this for a long while, but never found the time to express this possibility. I can definitely see this happening.

 

[NastCF]

Common sense.

Someone needed to have seen that video about a month ago in order to make that post.

Not sure if you saw my edit but again, that only works if we assume that the 4chan post was based on the video and not the other way around.

 

[doomedtacox]

SourceGaming brought up a good point that two third-parties from different companies have not been revealed in the same presentation as to not have one company steal thunder from the other.

Well apparently there are two directs in November so that shouldn't be an issue.

 

[cothero]

I've spend some time analising all information i could about this leak, videos, other leakers claims, everything. I'm not too sure if this is real anymore. Not that i was convinced before, but now i'm more inclined to think this is fake and very well played to look realistic, putting a real guy behind it, the 4chan text leak that came before the image leak and all. Time will tell if this is true or not.

 

[Deleted member]

So the deal with the insiders is one guy (Steve) doubts this based on interactions with other insiders, and several credible people are owing to Steve's legitimacy. That's fair, but it's as much hearsay as anything else we've run into. We don't know the names of those insiders, their full track records, what they've gotten right, what they've gotten wrong, the details of what they've gotten right/wrong are, etc.

I think you could reasonably use it as a point for #TeamFake but it's a weak point because nobody is actually explaining WHY it's fake. That's my only problem.

We also don't know if their insider info is deliberately fake/misleading info provided by Nintendo in order to scout moles/create confusion. After Brawl and 4 it's more than reasonable to assume Nintendo would spread fake leaks this time around.

 

[FalconFire93]

I will be forever convinced that he is a walking voice filter

For the longest time, I thought the guy was Microsoft Sam from the text to speech program used by PCs that run Windows and thought GameXplain had gotten too lazy to talk in videos and used that instead.

 

[Master of Fire]

If this leak is real, and Shadow is a playable fighter as an echo of Sonic, then why did the designers of "the box" apparently leave a space open for Ken, but not for Shadow?

 

[Das Koopa]

Isn't this a whole lot more believable/harder to fake than ESRB was at the time? Let's just say the screenshots at least; the video was the nail in the coffin.

ESRB had more evidence because people would continuously attempt to debunk seemingly notable details only for those details to appear legit after digging. Box sizes, cursor positions, etc. could be found from the 2014 E3 Demo if you REALLY went digging through youtube.

There were more detailed renders, more of them, and of course - there was actual gameplay footage that eventually dropped.

I'd say ESRB was a lot stronger than this and this one has me on the fence

 

[Untouch]

There's SO much surrounding it that I'm not sure why you'd only focus on the blurry mess

The blurry mess is the only thing connected to smash bros, that's why.
Bandai Namco is NOT handling the marketing for this game.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

So far Smash Boards has been one of my most favorite social sites on the internet (if not, my favorite).

 

[Luigi The President]

If this leak is real, and Shadow is a playable fighter as an echo of Sonic, then why did the designers of "the box" apparently leave a space open for Ken, but not for Shadow?

Not this **** again

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

They brought up that 3rd parties probably wouldn't want to be shown off back-to-back so they wouldn't overshadow eachother, which would suggest that the only way that could work is if there were multiple Directs.

except the fact the Rathalos AT/boss was revealed in the same direct as Simon and Richter

 

[Michael the Spikester]

https://twitter.com/SpawnWaveMedia/status/1055205299454468109?s=20

Do you guys believe it?

 

[TreeBranch]

The leak has me convinced. There's just too much going for it and so many small details. The whole setup plus the grinch plus the wristband plus the banner plus the cloud leaker is too much for a fake leaker to pull off. Not to mention the tiny details such as Chorus Men including the conductor just like smash 4's trophy and all the Miis being together on the banner. The missing shadows is weird, but nothing that disproves it.

 

[Dan]

I have proof that his leak may or may not be real but am not able to disclose it right now, i'll give it to you in 2 weeks though.

Will you be able to confirm that this is the roster by December 7?

 

[kylexv]

Honestly, all this leak does is bring in more questions.

But, I'm leaning towards Team Fake only because I don't believe that there are 7 characters left less than two months out from release. If there is and I'm wrong, then Sakurai really screwed up with the pacing of reveals I feel.

 

[Abha]

If this leak is real, and Shadow is a playable fighter as an echo of Sonic, then why did the designers of "the box" apparently leave a space open for Ken, but not for Shadow?

WAIT A MINUTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsNIFD7TxwU

 

[doomedtacox]

I'm in the same situation...
People see it as an ESRB 2.0 situation.
I see it as a Sassy Geno 2.0 situation.

I'm still meh, but the number of Insiders being so much against it, is what makes me go doubt.

In the end, whatever happens, it's going to be madness.

But the only argument I've really seen from the insiders in that "there are too many characters".

 

[Pazzo.]

A Smash Brothers leak lives or dies by The Grinch.

Never thought I'd see the day.

 

[Hinata]

This is Ultimate's equivalent to the ESRB leak. I'm really feeling it.

Debate all you want.

Nah, not yet. It hasn't received its own thread dedicated to discussing it yet.

inb4 "what about this thread?????" jokes

 

[The DanMan051]

except the fact the Rathalos AT/boss was revealed in the same direct as Simon and Richter

Not a playable character; a far smaller reveal that was likely a late addition.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Hmmm if this leak is real the only real disappointment for me will be no Pokemon rep this time around. Which is both completely unprecedented with this series and just sad for me as I like the pokemon and not having one from gen VII feels wrong to me.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Hmmm if this leak is real the only real disappointment for me will be no Pokemon rep this time around. Which is both completely unprecedented with this series and just sad for me as I like the pokemon and not having one from gen VII feels wrong to me.

Don't we have enough Pokemon tho?

 

[CosmicQuark]

ESRB had more evidence because people would continuously attempt to debunk seemingly notable details only for those details to appear legit after digging. Box sizes, cursor positions, etc. could be found from the 2014 E3 Demo if you REALLY went digging through youtube.

There were more detailed renders, more of them, and of course - there was actual gameplay footage that eventually dropped.

I'd say ESRB was a lot stronger than this and this one has me on the fence

I'd say the ESRB definitely had a lot more going on for it. But as you said, people would continuously attempt to debunk it and even then people became more convinced of it's validity. The parallels are certainly there, even if the quality of the leak as a whole (including the amount of evidence we have) is limiting.

 

[FalconFire93]

So far Smash Boards has been one of my most favorite social sites on the internet (if not, my favorite).

Same, I spend more time here than FB and Twitter lol

 

[TheCJBrine]

https://twitter.com/SpawnWaveMedia/status/1055237253243551750

Either he doesn't know everything / it really is his opinion, or he's smugly joking or teasing

 

[lightdrago]

Don't we have enough Pokemon tho?

"Don't we have enough Fire Emblem?" asked people before Chrom was added.