Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[N3ON]

I do think it'd be funny if the biggest leak of Smash 4 came from "Mother****ing Leaker" and Ultimate's came from "**** Nintendo Lollll" leaker. Very classy. xD
Those are/were the captions accompanying the respective leaks fyi.

 

[UberMadman]

This is one of those rare leaks where the biggest thing going against it is that it's "too good to be true". This would be a pretty close to perfect roster for me, but I refuse to get my hopes up.

 

[doomedtacox]

I will say that Mach Rider could hypothetically be a Falcon Echo, but four newcomers is still a very large number and unless the last direct is 45+ Minutes I just don't know how they could feasibly cover it AND online, Spirits, any other features we haven't seen yet like Vault-related stuff, etc. It's a lot to ask when each character will probably take up 3 minutes. You're talking at least 15 minutes dedicated at BEST if you get 3 minutes per each 4 + 3 minutes for 3 echoes, and that's a very generous estimate time-wise.

Well if the "double direct" rumor is correct, some of the smash stuff could be in the general direct.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I doubt Mach Rider would be a Falcon echo as he's on his bike on the picture, I know we've had a situation like it in the past with Dark Pit and his staff, but it'd be quite odd. Not really sure what equivalents of Falcon Punch and Kick he'd have either.

 

[doomedtacox]

mfw Kos Mos is the 2nd xeno rep and not Elma or Rex

kos mos isn't in there

 

[Michele]

1. Someone post the entire banner
2. Peoples claim it's fake
3. The banner turns out to be real

This is like the ESRB leak again... I'm worried for the designer/artist for the banner, if he's involved with Nintendo or Bandai he may be fired...

 

[PLATINUM7]

I doubt Mach Rider would be a Falcon echo as he's on his bike on the picture, I know we've had a situation like it in the past with Dark Pit and his staff, but it'd be quite odd. Not really sure what equivalents of Falcon Punch and Kick he'd have either.

Mach Punch and Mach Kick.

 

[MainJPW]

That could actually be Gardevoir.

Those are 100% the break in the clouds.

Here I made a gif comparison.

 

[Rummy]

I'm thinking most of the characters will be DLC. They might be pulling a Street Fighter V Seasonal Pass scenario.

 

[Raspberry]

Let's imagine for a second that the leak is real. Would you be satisfied? Would this be GOTY material?

 

[The Goldenbrawler]

I honestly doubt this is real, mostly in the hopes I didn't just accidentally spoil myself. If it is though, we've got 7 new fighters, possibly 8 if it turns out that the "break in the clouds" is actually Gardevoir or Kos-Mos. This definitely feels like it's 50/50 in terms of real or fake, and all it's done is make me want a smash announcement EVEN MORE just so we can verify if this is legitimate.

 

[MSmariosonic]

So can somebody recap this leak I missed?

pretty please

 

[Jetsurge]

Where is Kos-Mos and is Incineroar there?

 

[doomedtacox]

1. Someone post the entire banner
2. Peoples claim it's fake
3. The banner turns out to be real

This is like the ESRB leak again... I'm worried for the designer/artist for the banner, if he's involved with Nintendo or Bandai he may be fired...

4chan found his linkedin and he's involved with Bandai...

 

[Shroob]

People, please.


Mach Rider is a woman.

 

[DutchPichu]

Idk it rally looks like someone is there

Just an educated (probably wrong) guess: Nihilego / Pheromosa?

 

[MainJPW]

Where is Kos-Mos and is Incineroar there?

Neither are in the banner.

 

[VashTehStampede]

The lack of a Pokemon rep AT all is what shocks me more than Verge being wrong about a certain fire cat.

I've always said people forget how many pokes are in, we've always got new ones cause old ones got taken out. Having them all here really shouldn't ask for another when new poke representation is in as pokeballs (aloha vulpix, exegutor, ect)

 

[Glaciacott]

what are the chorus kids standing around though? I see some people mention the conductor, but that does not look at all like one of the clappy trio dudes.

 

[TheDukeofDorks]

The lack of a Pokemon rep AT all is what shocks me more than Verge being wrong about a certain fire cat.

I dunno, 9 fighters in the game, 8 of whom are unique, and 3 of them didn't appear in the last game? Perhaps Sakurai thought that was enough?

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

Ffs people please it's clouds. We worked it out already. Pack it up. No KOS-MOS. No Gardevoir. It's a break in the clouds that's behind Sheik on the current panorama. Look for yourselves.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

You know... actually, now that I think about it, there's no reason why we absolutely HAVE to get a Gen 7 Pokemon added into the roster. Think about it. Why would they add in a Gen 7 Pokemon when Gen 8 is going to be officially revealed early next year? The spotlight will be completely shifted away from Alola. Saving the Pokemon slot for a Gen 8 mon for DLC to promote the upcoming games would make far more sense from a business standpoint.

 

[Thinkaman]

This universe requires:

• "We've focused on making sure every fighter returns, so I hope you don't expect too many new fighters"
  • ...to refer to 16 new fighters.
• "We have a few new fighters left, so stay tuned"
  • ...to refer to 9 new fighters.
• "…That said, if you were thinking that we’d just be dropping a bunch of newcomer trailers all the way up until release, you’d be sorely mistaken. We may have gone a little bit overboard up until now, so we’re going to slow our pace from here on out."
  • ...to refer to "just kidding, we have 7 new fighters shoved into the last month."
• Revealing 5 newcomers in the last Direct
  • ...when most Directs have revealed 1, and no Direct ever has revealed more than 2.
• And as a less important bonus, it requires Verge to have been wrong all along.

All of this is bonkers and the stuff of silly playground rumors.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

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People, please.


Mach Rider is a woman.

We do need some more female characters.

 

[Jetsurge]

Neither are in the banner.

Did I find all the newcomers in it or did I miss one?

 

[CosmicQuark]

Let's imagine for a second that the leak is real. Would you be satisfied? Would this be GOTY material?

Yes and yes.

(from my completely subjective opinion for me personally)

 

[Shroob]

Did I find all the newcomers in it or did I miss one?
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Missed Geno next to Jiggs and under Pac.

 

[Jetsurge]

"We've focused on making sure every fighter returns, so I hope you don't expect too many new fighters"

I don't think echo fighters applied to that statement

 

[Deleted member]

Did I find all the newcomers in it or did I miss one?
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Geno is in between Pac-Man and Jigglypuff.

EDIT: 'd

 

[PLATINUM7]

Did I find all the newcomers in it or did I miss one?
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You missed Geno above Ness

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

This universe requires:

• "We've focused on making sure every fighter returns, so I hope you don't expect too many new fighters"
  • ...to refer to 16 new fighters.
• "We have a few new fighters left, so stay tuned"
  • ...to refer to 9 new fighters.
• "…That said, if you were thinking that we’d just be dropping a bunch of newcomer trailers all the way up until release, you’d be sorely mistaken. We may have gone a little bit overboard up until now, so we’re going to slow our pace from here on out."
  • ...to refer to "just kidding, we have 7 new fighters shoved into the last month."
• Revealing 5 newcomers in the last Direct
  • ...when most Directs have revealed 1, and no Direct ever has revealed more than 2.
• And as a less important bonus, it requires Verge to have been wrong all along.

All of this is bonkers and the stuff of silly playground rumors.

Setting aside Sakuraitheabsolutemadman.argument, patterns exist to be broken (especially with Smash), Sakurai has made the exact same blatant lie about fighter counts twice in the past, both for Brawl and Smash 4, and he loves to overperform and surpass expectations. It's unlikely, but you really should stop calling it impossible.

Your entire argument seems to stem from 'it's more than I expected so there's no way it's real.'

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I mean if real Sakurai could have played us to make another ''Everyone is Here!" type of hype situation.

I mean this has Geno, Banjo, and Isaac alone.

That in one direct ALONE could kill a majority of the users of this board and many other internet boards that discuss Smash Bros.

 

[Ganon K. Roolenstein]

Hmmm....

 

[Onua]

I wonder if theyll make Mach Rider appear more feminine or not considering she hasnt been in anything for decades

 

[N3ON]

I know it's been said, but if fake, it's truly impressive how the assets were separated and recreated. Look at the Battlefield panorama by itself.

Spoiler

Excuse his French.

 

[nintenplayer]

This universe requires:

• "We've focused on making sure every fighter returns, so I hope you don't expect too many new fighters"
  • ...to refer to 16 new fighters.
• "We have a few new fighters left, so stay tuned"
  • ...to refer to 9 new fighters.
• "…That said, if you were thinking that we’d just be dropping a bunch of newcomer trailers all the way up until release, you’d be sorely mistaken. We may have gone a little bit overboard up until now, so we’re going to slow our pace from here on out."
  • ...to refer to "just kidding, we have 7 new fighters shoved into the last month."
• Revealing 5 newcomers in the last Direct
  • ...when most Directs have revealed 1, and no Direct ever has revealed more than 2.
• And as a less important bonus, it requires Verge to have been wrong all along.

All of this is bonkers and the stuff of silly playground rumors.

What if some of them are DLCs? Not trying to say it's real, but I think that's a possibility.

Now that I think about it, how exactly will DLC fighters be implemented in the banner?

 

[11th]

Whether box theory is correct or not, whoever designed the "rows of 9" pattern doesn't know how to design. You typically read left to right* continuously from up and down, not left to right up to down stop in the middle and go to the other side than left to right up to down...

It's the first big thing that annoyed me about the Box, and I'll be flabbergasted if that ends up being the final design choice.

Yes! Someone else gets it!

inb4 Ken is the only fighter left and there will be a spot with just a Smash logo or something on it on the other side of the box.

You say that as a joke, but the back of the Switch bundle box has one character space using the Switch logo instead of a render...


Anyway, my two cents the new news...

Spoiler

I'm not buying it. For perspective, this is coming from someone who found holes in the Palutena leak well before the creators came forward (Quick explanation: They messed up a bit on the background.), and who still can't find any major holes in the Ken image.

Take that second one as you will.

Though patching the background might take a little time, it's do-able, and masking makes it easier to move characters around. With how blurry that image is, it's really easy to hide imperfections, so masking and patching could be done somewhat haphazardly, too. That said, it does look like a few of the ground shadows have been lost. Snake's and Olimar's in particular seem to be gone or very faint. Also, I may be reading it incorrectly given the image quality, but Isaac's pose and proportions look fairly painful.

The person supposedly being a graphic designer just tells me that they probably have the skill level to fake something of this level if they want to. Blurry group portrait is a lot easier than a believable looking, clearly photographed 3D render. Unless they post a clearer version, I'd recommend taking it with a bag or dozen of salt.

 

[TVDart]

This universe requires:

• "We've focused on making sure every fighter returns, so I hope you don't expect too many new fighters"
  • ...to refer to 16 new fighters.
• "We have a few new fighters left, so stay tuned"
  • ...to refer to 9 new fighters.
• "…That said, if you were thinking that we’d just be dropping a bunch of newcomer trailers all the way up until release, you’d be sorely mistaken. We may have gone a little bit overboard up until now, so we’re going to slow our pace from here on out."
  • ...to refer to "just kidding, we have 7 new fighters shoved into the last month."
• Revealing 5 newcomers in the last Direct
  • ...when most Directs have revealed 1, and no Direct ever has revealed more than 2.
• And as a less important bonus, it requires Verge to have been wrong all along.

All of this is bonkers and the stuff of silly playground rumors.

I don't think its unbelievabilitly on paper is enough to debunk it, honestly. As it's standing now, this game has shocked everyone over and over again with its character inclusions.

 

[Jetsurge]

"Leaked" newcomer locations for people who can't be bothered finding them

 

[Gyrom8]

If this is real, then nobody's going to take Sakurai's 'curb your expectations' comments seriously ever again. Could lead to nasty situations where he's being serious (i.e. most of the time) and people get their hopes up too high. While this is definitely an impressive fake - if fake; great if it isn't - Sakurai was probably being completely genuine, not overly modest/taking us on a ruse cruise, when he said not to expect many newcomers.

Also, if all these characters are going to be in the base game, haven't they slightly limited their options for DLC? True, there are a whole load of third-party big hitters they could still include, but I was expecting at least one or two of the big fan requests to be saved for DLC.