Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Noipoi]

Goin to sleep!
Good Night people! Love you all!

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G'Night!
Sleep tight!
Don't let the Beedrill impale you!

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I just call things as I see things. It's worked out pretty well for me so far this time around. Like whenever anyone said "there's no such thing as shoo-ins" while I remained adamant that Isabelle was one.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I just don't think I will be wrong, is all. It all just makes sense to me.

Opposum you are a brave man. Thank you for sticking up for the box theorists. We shall no longer be silenced! #boxtheoristsriseup

 

[Danpal65]

He said that after the Isabelle reveal, which at that point we had just got 6 new characters in a 1 month 1 week span (would've been just 1 month if the direct wasn't delayed. If we get 4 characters in a final direct, that'll mean 4 new characters in the last 2.5 months which is cutting the rate into a third of what it was when Sakurai made that statement.

He said it after the Isabelle reveal, yes, but it was in reference to the August Direct.

 

[Blargg888]

Has something happened in the last 30 pages? XD

Uhh... Kencineroar, Shrek, Vore, smugness over the wrong box, The periodic table of elements, character matchups, UK Banjo 64, Shantae stuff, the new remix was posted to the website, Pokemon talk (What a surprise /s), Username trivia, and a partridge on a pear tree

 

[CosmicQuark]

Opposum you are a brave man. Thank you for sticking up for the box theorists. We shall no longer be silenced! #boxtheoristsriseup

When were you ever silenced? Do I need to get that Spongebob box vid out? It's all I hear about, and it's annoying, but people can talk about whatever they want, so long as they give me the same respect.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Goin to sleep!
Good Night people! Love you all!

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Nighty night.

 

[AugustusB]

Ahh I see we are back to the box. After a good hiatus.

It's seems we came full....square???

...I'll be here if you need me.

 

[Opossum]

It's great that you're satisfied with the newcomers that are in the game. Some of us haven't played a single game from a unique newcomer so far, and so can't get as personally hyped as you. It's simply bad luck, and that luck could continue, but your statement did come across as that you'd be glad people didn't get characters they're personally hyped for because you perceive them as whiners.

I'm not trying to paint everyone who is still wanting more as whiners. That'd be hypocritical of me, considering there are still characters I'd like to see.

I'm talking about the folks who laugh off the box as a joke theory because "there's no way ______ isn't in," with bonus points if the sentence ends with "while *insert confirmed character* got in." That sort of entitlement just brings back less than fond memories of the ESRB leak and the ballot era.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

At this point, I think everyone is better off going into the final Direct assuming Box Theory is correct and then hoping to be surprised. But I wouldn’t get that mindset just yet until the day of, with fingers and toes crossed for the opposite being true.

At least, that would be the best way to temper expectations.

But only focusing on that kinda kills the hype for other potential characters.

By the by, I started Torna the Golden Country today. I really like Lora. I’m sure Rex would be the surefire XC2 pick, so I got hyped for him and Pyra/Mythra all over again!

 

[SvartWolf]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....016/AC9F61DC1820FBF623A1C2B3E1C942A6D0610220/

BTW to celebrate today's song....

Daaaaamn im enjoying a lot Soul calibur 6... sadly i need a whip moveset that isn't ivy

 

[doomedtacox]

He said it after the Isabelle reveal, yes, but it was in reference to the August Direct.

I haven't seen anything saying he was referring to just that direct specifically, doesn't really make sense when he made that statement over a month after.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

It's seems we came full....square???

The box isn't a square, it's in the third dimension, you dumb dumb.

 

[CannonStreak]

The box isn't a square, it's in the third dimension, you dumb dumb.

Then we came full cubed, if that even means anything.

 

[NineS]

Ahh I see we are back to the box. After a good hiatus.

It's seems we came full....square???

...I'll be here if you need me.

Square? Did you say Square?
What do you know about the Square Enix rep? I know your uncle works there, Vergeben #628. You'd better share it with the rest of us Vergebens.

The box isn't a square, it's in the third dimension, you dumb dumb.

Are you saying you know something about the Minecraft leak, Vergeben #564?

Then we came full cubed, if that even means anything.

You're in on it too, Vergeben #323?!

 

[mbvswb]

Wow, the guy from a few pages back selling the Switch bundle lives about 20 minutes from me. Small world.

Anyway I can't say i have an opinion on Box Theory, I feel like it's true but a part of me that is a mixture of logic and bias says it's not. I do think that box theory being true would definitley mean quick DLC.

Sakurai got the hype started with early reveals of Ridley and K. Rool (not to mention Snake coming back) because he was afraid it would leak. I could see him not wanting leaks to ruin late hype. But adding more hype characters like Geno, Banjo, etc. as DLC without fear of (as many) leaks could be a way to keep hype going after release.

 

[doomedtacox]

That doesn't prove it's wrong though. That just shows that it could be wrong.

Well it proves "it's" wrong if you think the box implies there are ONLY two newcomers left, but since there is no evidence for or against a characters being in the back, the box implies there are AT LEAST two newcomers left. But it doesn't imply there are only 2 left as opposed to 4 or 5 without knowing what's on the back.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....016/AC9F61DC1820FBF623A1C2B3E1C942A6D0610220/

BTW to celebrate today's song....

Daaaaamn im enjoying a lot Soul calibur 6... sadly i need a whip moveset that isn't ivy

Dang that's a great Alucard. I've seen some really neat creations from SCVI's character creator so far.

 

[Deleted member]

To be honest, I don't care if the box theory is real or not. I just want a freaking annoucement already.

If I recall, isn't there some sort of special edition of Ultimate that can get you the game early?

 

[7NATOR]

Hey is this a good thread to post theories, I'm going to assume so

SO after i watched a video today, I came up with this, Very Optimistic Theory

"Everyone is Here" Version 2

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_CbBi4cOh9_WL5sCv7kddjNNroCOKQulj9sLyGBLm-0/edit

This document has all the info, but basically the gist is that Sakurai really did mean it when he said that Newcomer reveal trailers, or just reveals are slowing down...in terms of trailers. My Theory is that Most of, if not all the remaining Newcomers are going to be revealed in a Similiar fashion to the Everyone is Here Trailer

Also I'm gonna shill my Youtube Channel and post the video i made on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71JmNSEQnw8

 

[AugustusB]

Square? Did you say Square?
What do you know about the Square Enix rep? I know your uncle works there, Vergeben #628. You'd better share it with the rest of us Vergebens.


Are you saying you know something about the Minecraft leak, Vergeben #564?


You're in on it too, Vergeben #323?!

You'll never know the truth! Muahahahahah!

In all seriousness, still no new Xeno or Bayo track yet.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Are you saying you know something about the Minecraft leak, Vergeben #564?

Nope.

 

[Deleted member]

As someone who used to argue against the box, I can say one thing with utmost certainty after reevaluating the situation:

No one will care who is wrong or right about it after like a week, because people who actually wanna play the game will play the game, and not worry if cardboard prophesied the future or not.

Also, wanting something to be wrong/right just to see people get ticked off is kinda petty IMO, but to each their own.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Also, figured i’d mention it but one of my rules regarding Smash Bros is that if I can help it, I play at least a game from each series that has a playable character in Smash.

The only series I currently have not played a game from is, *gasp*, Castlevania. But I have the NES Mini so there’s that.

I totally recommend doing that, because it has negated a lot of animosity for, “THAT SERIES DOESN’T DESERVE ANOTHER CHARACTER” quite drastically for me. Granted, not everybody can do that for a number of reasons, but if you have the chance to, I wholeheartedly recommend it.

It’s cool to have a connection with each series.

In addition, in terms of the salt of the box. Some people have been rather rude and have thrown some choice words about people who think it points to something more. That has been frustrating.

Do I think some people are overconfident? Absolutely. Will I take satisfaction in potentially being right about it? Eh, maybe? I mean I won’t really care because i’ll have the game. I can’t imagine i’ll parade that about though, not only because I don’t have time for that but half the people who talk about characters and ONLY characters for speculation will probably drop out and not be around for me to gloat anyway.

I might be on the writing team though, so I probably won’t be leaving again at least!

 

[Deleted member]

You'll never know the truth! Muahahahahah!

In all seriousness, still no new Xeno or Bayo track yet.

I wonder what people's reaction would be if we got a Jenne echo?

 

[Shroob]

Well it proves "it's" wrong if you think the box implies there are ONLY two newcomers left, but since there is no evidence for or against a characters being in the back, the box implies there are AT LEAST two newcomers left. But it doesn't imply there are only 2 left as opposed to 4 or 5 without knowing what's on the back.

My argument for "The back of the box" is, "Why".


We already know there's a pattern in place, if there were more, why couldn't they just up the amount of characters on each side?

 

[CannonStreak]

Hey is this a good thread to post theories, I'm going to assume so

SO after i watched a video today, I came up with this, Very Optimistic Theory

"Everyone is Here" Version 2

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_CbBi4cOh9_WL5sCv7kddjNNroCOKQulj9sLyGBLm-0/edit

This document has all the info, but basically the gist is that Sakurai really did mean it when he said that Newcomer reveal trailers, or just reveals are slowing down...in terms of trailers. My Theory is that Most of, if not all the remaining Newcomers are going to be revealed in a Similiar fashion to the Everyone is Here Trailer

Also I'm gonna shill my Youtube Channel and post the video i made on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71JmNSEQnw8

Speaking of theories, I have one...

Music theory 2.

All future music tracks released on the Smash site will be of series already represented on the Music page. Seems that way so far.

 

[Blargg888]

Did we?


I mean, unless you count Miis as 3, which........okay but they're Miis. And even then, Pac Man was held back for some reason.

Well, it depends on whether you're referring to "uniques" as unique movesets, or unique characters.
If we're talking unique movesets, we got 4 uniques. If you count them as characters, then we got 2.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I just want the truth about the "box theory" to be settled for real. We'll have a short while of whichever side was "right" rubbing it in (let's be real, if the box theory isn't is deconfirmed there will be a lot more annoying anti-boxers then boxers if it was the other way around) but that'll probably only last for a few days to week, and then soon after we'd all be able to forget that the entire controversy ever happened. But for now, this theory is tearing the community apart.

SO after i watched a video today, I came up with this, Very Optimistic Theory

"Very optimistic" might be a little bit of an understatement.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Also, figured i’d mention it but one of my rules regarding Smash Bros is that if I can help it, I play at least a game from each series that has a playable character in Smash.

The only series I currently have not played a game from is, *gasp*, Castlevania. But I have the NES Mini so there’s that.

I totally recommend doing that, because it has negated a lot of animosity for, “THAT SERIES DOESN’T DESERVE ANOTHER CHARACTER” quite drastically for me. Granted, not everybody can do that for a number of reasons, but if you have the chance to, I wholeheartedly recommend it.

It’s cool to have a connection with each series.

I started doing that this summer as well, though I still haven't made it through every series yet. Still, it made me really appreciate just how rich and diverse Nintendo's history is.

 

[Noipoi]

Also, figured i’d mention it but one of my rules regarding Smash Bros is that if I can help it, I play at least a game from each series that has a playable character in Smash.

The only series I currently have not played a game from is, *gasp*, Castlevania. But I have the NES Mini so there’s that.

I totally recommend doing that, because it has negated a lot of animosity for, “THAT SERIES DOESN’T DESERVE ANOTHER CHARACTER” quite drastically for me. Granted, not everybody can do that for a number of reasons, but if you have the chance to, I wholeheartedly recommend it.

It’s cool to have a connection with each series.

Thanks to the SNES classic i've played Donkey Kong Country, Mario rpg, and i'm making my way through Earthbound,
It's really cool to see where a lot of this stuff started.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

SO after i watched a video today, I came up with this, Very Optimistic Theory

Wow, you are sanguine.

 

[CosmicQuark]

I'm not trying to paint everyone who is still wanting more as whiners. That'd be hypocritical of me, considering there are still characters I'd like to see.

I'm talking about the folks who laugh off the box as a joke theory because "there's no way ______ isn't in," with bonus points if the sentence ends with "while *insert confirmed character* got in." That sort of entitlement just brings back less than fond memories of the ESRB leak and the ballot era.

I agree, there's ridiculousness on all sides, and those expecting a character with 100% certainty or the entitlement of "this character must be in" is misguided. But I see too many people actively wishing for salt and misfortune, which I feel like is misguided in the other extreme. It's how I first interpreted it, but the clarification was helpful.

And another point to the "true colors" comment that was made, as well as just about entitlement in general. While it's misguided to say "x character must be in", I do think that's different than saying "if the roster doesn't appeal to me, I'm not getting the game." They have every right to think that without it being misguided entitlement--as the one thing we are actually entitled to do is what we do with our wallet.

 

[blackghost]

I wonder what people's reaction would be if we got a Jenne echo?

the reaction would be toxic. no other way to describe it.

but i dont find that likely at all so we wont have to deal with it. but bayonetta 3 may get a dlc promotional character. thats very likely imo.

 

[Deleted member]

Also, figured i’d mention it but one of my rules regarding Smash Bros is that if I can help it, I play at least a game from each series that has a playable character in Smash.

The only series I currently have not played a game from is, *gasp*, Castlevania. But I have the NES Mini so there’s that.

I totally recommend doing that, because it has negated a lot of animosity for, “THAT SERIES DOESN’T DESERVE ANOTHER CHARACTER” quite drastically for me. Granted, not everybody can do that for a number of reasons, but if you have the chance to, I wholeheartedly recommend it.

It’s cool to have a connection with each series.

If you are going to play a Castlevania game, I'd recommend Aria of Sorrow, Super Castlevania IV, Symphony of The Night, and Portriat of Ruin.

 

[NineS]

Well,

Also, figured i’d mention it but one of my rules regarding Smash Bros is that if I can help it, I play at least a game from each series that has a playable character in Smash.

The only series I currently have not played a game from is, *gasp*, Castlevania. But I have the NES Mini so there’s that.

I totally recommend doing that, because it has negated a lot of animosity for, “THAT SERIES DOESN’T DESERVE ANOTHER CHARACTER” quite drastically for me. Granted, not everybody can do that for a number of reasons, but if you have the chance to, I wholeheartedly recommend it.

It’s cool to have a connection with each series.

I've been doing the same thing since Brawl.

The only franchises on the lists that I need to get games from are: Starfox, F-Zero, Ice Climbers, Metal Gear, Mega Man, Wii Fit (don't plan on getting one from that though), Animal Crossing (Planning on getting it 2019), and Punch-Out.

Surprisingly, for every other playable Franchise, I've either passed and played a whole game at one point, or currently own a game of theirs I'm still in the middle of completing.

It's definitely helped since I started with the "That series shouldn't get another character!" idea. I can't say I've ever thought that just because of the fact I've been doing this for a long time.

 

[AugustusB]

My argument for "The back of the box" is, "Why".


We already know there's a pattern in place, if there were more, why couldn't they just up the amount of characters on each side?

I think the argument for why the back of the box is important is because there have been cases of guest characters being advertised on the back (Sonic for Brawl, Mega Man and Pac-Man for Sm4sh)
Though this is not the game box, but a bundle instead. Who's to say?

 

[Deleted member]

Thanks to the SNES classic i've played Donkey Kong Country, Mario rpg, and i'm making my way through Earthbound,
It's really cool to see where a lot of this stuff started.

Remember, EarthBound is the greatest game of all time. Then MOTHER 3 comes over and matches it, and even builds upon more amazing stuff.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

You know I’m just curious as to why the box hasn’t at least been updated to include Isabelle.

 

[doomedtacox]

My argument for "The back of the box" is, "Why".


We already know there's a pattern in place, if there were more, why couldn't they just up the amount of characters on each side?

Why? Because the design/marketing team may want the last couple characters to be on the back in more of a spotlight with a little "blurb" about them, especially if there is a "bigger" reveal like Steve. Giving a small fact/description makes the character feel more real and relatable, but it isn't really practical to do that for every character considering how many their are. But of course I have no idea if this is a possibility without being a part of the design/marketing team, none of us do so there isn't any evidence for or against it.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of series, Smash has actually introduced me to a lot of series I like, such as Xenoblade, Golden Sun, and Bayonetta, and the only series I have yet to have any experiance with are Pikmin, Earthbound, F-Zero, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, and Wii Fit.