Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zinith]

Nintendo, could you give us like... ANY gameplay of the non-demo characters?

Not even the newcomers, just guys like Young Link or Pichu so we have something to look at.

I know what you mean

 

[Michael the Spikester]

A Halloween direct would be pretty cool, but depending on who's left I feel like they would've probably saved Simon and Richter for it. Unless they've got some even spookier characters in store.

Edit: I guess me and Smashing Ramen had the same thought lol

Well I do feel Skull Kid, Medusa and Nightmare are pretty spooky with Halloween vibes. I doubt its gonna happen but until next week or the end of this month I'm gonna keep dreaming.

 

[Deleted member]

Remember how Brawl and Sm4sh went? Yeah...

To be fair, Wii U only leaked because of 3DS' ESRB leak. The roster probably would have stayed hidden if it weren't for that.

Brawl wasn't really affected either due to no one believing the leakers, similar to how Verge's early leaks for this game were harmless because not many believed him.

Plus, both Sakurai (and I think even Bill, right?) have gone on regard to state they're aiming to avoid major leaks from happening again. Also, it's mainly about the timing: Nintendo 9 times out of ten does their final game focused info dumps a month or so before release. I can't really think of any recent game that breaks that trend, as even outside of Directs, they do final press releases in that same timeframe as well. That just seems to be how their marketing works (IMO, at least). I honestly think the last bit of news is coming soon, so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[N3ON]

So... how likely do you guys think it is for the final roster to be leaked before release?

It's never not happened.
Other than maybe 64.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

To be fair, Wii U only leaked because of 3DS' ESRB leak. The roster probably would have stayed hidden if it weren't for that.

Brawl wasn't really affected either due to no one believing the leakers, similar to how Verge's early leaks for this game were harmless because not many believed him.

Plus, both Sakurai (and I think even Bill, right?) have gone on regard to state they're aiming to avoid major leaks from happening again. Also, it's mainly about the timing: Nintendo 9 times out of ten does their final game focused info dumps a month or so before release. I can't really think of any recent game that breaks that trend, as even outside of Directs, they do final press releases in that same timeframe as well. That just seems to be how their marketing works (IMO, at least). I honestly think the last bit of news is coming soon, so I wouldn't worry about it.

If they're smart then it'd be wise to reveal the final characters this month whether next week or last week of the month. Why would they risk a third time?

 

[AreJay25]

So... how likely do you guys think it is for the final roster to be leaked before release?

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already tbh. We're getting pretty close to release.

Then again, after the ESRB fiasco, they're probably trying their damndest to keep everything hidden away.

 

[CosmicQuark]

I know what you mean

Not sure actually if we've seen Yoshi's final smash yet--if not, my vote is for T-Rex Yoshi.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Well I do feel Skull Kid, Medusa and Nightmare are pretty spooky with Halloween vibes. I doubt its gonna happen but until next week or the end of this month I'm gonna keep dreaming.

Problem is not Skull Kid, Medusa, nor Nightmare are directly Halloweeny meanwhile the Belmonts' trailer featured Mummies, Frankenstein, Reapers, Ghouls, and Dracula

It'd be odd if they planned a Halloween direct and didn't save Castlevania for said direct.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Problem is Skull Kid, Medusa, nor Nightmare are directly Halloweeny meanwhile the Belmonts' trailer featured Mummies, Frankenstein, Reapers, Mummies, and Dracula

It'd be odd if they planned a Halloween direct and didn't save Castlevania for said direct.

I'm aware they're not Halloween themed but they do have pretty good spooky vibes to the holiday.

I don't expect it to happen anyways so my expectations are staying low.

 

[Zinith]

Not sure actually if we've seen Yoshi's final smash yet--if not, my vote is for T-Rex Yoshi.

Incoming relevant image...

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already tbh. We're getting pretty close to release.

Then again, after the ESRB fiasco, they're probably trying their damndest to keep everything hidden away.

Yeah, the game is already rated, so they passed the ESRB hurdle this time...
Just wondering how it's gonna get leaked this time...
How early does Nintendo usually send out review copies for games?

 

[CosmicQuark]

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already tbh. We're getting pretty close to release.

Then again, after the ESRB fiasco, they're probably trying their damndest to keep everything hidden away.

I'm hoping they're doing a good job keeping the good stuff hidden--the stuff rumored/leak has been pretty lackluster.

 

[drag0nscythe]

So... how likely do you guys think it is for the final roster to be leaked before release?

Even if leaked, it would have to be esrb levels to even be noticed.

I do not think it can be leaked.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, the game is already rated, so they passed the ESRB hurdle this time...
Just wondering how it's gonna get leaked this time...
How early does Nintendo usually send out review copies for games?

I 100% guarantee the final news will come out way before then, as you won't see major spaces talk about anything like that or even recieve stuff like that until the end of November. Youtubers probably won't receive it at all unless they're the huge ones as well.

Well, in my opinion, anyway.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Well I do feel Skull Kid, Medusa and Nightmare are pretty spooky with Halloween vibes. I doubt its gonna happen but until next week or the end of this month I'm gonna keep dreaming.

Oh no I agree, those characters would still fit the Halloween theme. Sorry for the confusion. I kinda just meant I would've expected them to save the Castlevania characters for Halloween unless there were other characters who could also fit in a Halloween direct should they choose to do that.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

I'm surprised it hasn't happened already tbh. We're getting pretty close to release.

Then again, after the ESRB fiasco, they're probably trying their damndest to keep everything hidden away.

I just wanna remind people that if the less than popular theories which are rotated around here end up as true, then the final roster has already been leaked despite no one being aware of it

 

[N3ON]

Even if leaked, it would have to be esrb levels to even be noticed.

I do not think it can be leaked.

I'd think leaks only proven valid in retrospect still count. That's how Brawl leaked.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Oh no I agree, those characters would still fit the Halloween theme. Sorry for the confusion. I kinda just meant I would've expected them to save the Castlevania characters for Halloween unless there were other characters who could also fit in a Halloween direct should they choose to do that.

If it does happen it'll be quite a treat (Pun intended). Though others might have a different opinion.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I'm hoping they're doing a good job keeping the good stuff hidden--the stuff rumored/leak has been pretty lackluster.

Wait... Are you calling Incineroar and Ken lackluster? Reveals near the end of the cycle are almost never hype...
You don't know how many times I have to defend these guys...

 

[RouffWestie]

So... how likely do you guys think it is for the final roster to be leaked before release?

That’s of course implying it hasn’t happened already...

 

[Iridium]

Scrolling through some Ninja Gaiden again, and it would be great to hear this as Ryu's theme.

A very popular track, indeed. Remix or not, it sounds great!

 

[drag0nscythe]

Be fair, the chaos of all the fakes leaks has made it all interesting. No one saw ridley or k rool

And isabelle being a non echo was also a surprise.

I still think we are getting 2 more in the base roster, but i would not doubt 10 dlc in the running.

And those will of been planned before hand.
So, it is still exciting.
M

 

[Shroob]

We'll have a Direct within the next 4 weeks I feel, if we don't, that'll put us midway into November, and you know things will have leaked by then.

 

[P.Kat]

You could just have Fi use magic or something. I know she's never shown actually doing something like that, but it would be a necessary evil.

Pretty much I could see them going that route for her. No joke I'd be happy if they actually reveal Fi or Tetra (or Impa, or Mipha) for Smash I like her design, n . It'd be nice if they based her off of Hyrule Warriors, and have her attack gracefully like a dancer, while occasionally transforming into a sword that slashes foes. After all, the only thing better than a swordfighter, is a swordfighter that can become a sword! Extra point if in doubles, your teammate can wield Fi as a blade if they're Allies

 

[Noipoi]

If Sakurai really wants to beat the leaks we'll know the final roster within a few weeks.

 

[Deleted member]

We'll have a Direct within the next 4 weeks I feel, if we don't, that'll put us midway into November, and you know things will have leaked by then.

Especially because preload will 100% go live by then. We really are in the homestretch right now.

 

[PsySmasher]

Wait? Are you calling Incineroar and Ken lackluster? Reveals near the end of the cycle are almost never hype...
You don't know how many times I have to defend these guys...

I feel like the fact that they emphasized that all of the characters will be revealed prior to release, within the first few minutes after properly revealing the game, is making people believe that the last reveals will be big. We don't have any hidden characters this time around.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

If it does happen it'll be quite a treat (Pun intended). Though others might have a different opinion.

Yea who knows. I'd enjoy it though, but that's probably because Halloween's my favorite holiday. I like dark, spooky stuff.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Wait... Are you calling Incineroar and Ken lackluster? Reveals near the end of the cycle are almost never hype...
You don't know how many times I have to defend these guys...

I am super stoked for ken and incineroar. Was not for the fire cat originally, but he has grown on me like isabelle.

And ke will be epic. Playing street fighter in my smash game. Cannot wait for the event on that one.

 

[TheMilkmann]

Yeah, but eh



Maybe, I'm not him though. I am a user on this site though, but eh

You're just as edgy as shadow himself it seems

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I am super stoked for ken and incineroar. Was. It for the fire vat originally, but he has grown on me like isabelle.

And ke will be epic. Playing street fighter in my smash game. Cannot wait for the event on that one.

Can't wait for For Glory matches against Kens doing nothing but Shoryuken

 

[Momotsuki]

Holy moly, read a few pages back and this place has really decayed with how long we've run dry. Even had some muppet trying to aggressively assert their prediction on others as fact. Like, really dudes?

 

[PsySmasher]

Holy moly, read a few pages back and this place has really decayed with how long we've run dry. Even had some guy trying to aggressively assert their prediction on others as fact. Like, really dudes?

Yeah... we need a reveal soon.

 

[Noipoi]

Can't wait for For Glory matches against Kens doing nothing but Shoryuken

Matches with K Rool and Incineroar in the boxing ring.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Can't wait for For Glory matches against Kens doing nothing but Shoryuken

That will be epic.
If his side b was sf3 parry. People would have to remake that epic sf3 video.

I love his inclusion.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Wait... Are you calling Incineroar and Ken lackluster? Reveals near the end of the cycle are almost never hype...
You don't know how many times I have to defend these guys...

There's no problem if you feel that way, it's my view... yet another Pokemon (despite 2-4 returning Pokemon veterans) and a clone. If you feel differently, glad you like them.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Holy moly, read a few pages back and this place has really decayed with how long we've run dry. Even had some guy trying to aggressively assert their prediction on others as fact. Like, really dudes?

HA! Think this is bad? Wait till the full roster IS revealed. Honestly this is all just people getting catty over the

 

[Deleted member]

Also, for those interested in what data mining could unearth, there is the possibility DLC could be spoiled depending on how careless devs are.

It's how Kirby's entire DLC lifespan got spoiled, and tons of down the road stuff for Splatoon 2 leaked this way. We all had a hunch playable Octolings were coming since last year thanks to data mines. Model data was found for male and female Octolings in player data pretty near launch, so most people knew it was most likely coming. So yeah, DLC is not gonna ever be safe. All we can hope is that Smash's devs are more careful than Splatoon's and Kirby's.

 

[SonicMario]

I do hope what ever comes next for Smash announcements are the final characters. No dilly dallying about this if Sakurai doesn't want another roster leak prior to the release happening.

If it is just Incineroar and Ken? Get them announced ASAP.
If there's more then that in the base game still? Get them all announced ASAP anyway.

I don't necessarily think Sakurai meant there'd be more then one event announcing characters when he said reveals would slow down. Technically nothing slows down reveals then getting them all out there at a later time and coming to a complete stop until DLC starts. (Especially if there's less then 5 characters left, which may be the case)

 

[Deoxys911]

Logically it would make sense for Nintendo to have the Direct soon so as to give Pokemon breathing room for a targeted marketing push leading up to release, but it's Nintendo. So who the **** knows. They could stay quiet about Smash til December.

I know everyone always talks about how Nintendo wouldn't want Smash promotion to distract from Pokémon Let's Go (especially since that helps them believe that we'll get the final bunch of news sooner rather than later), but do we have any precedent to actually believe this is a particularly big concern of theirs, enough to shape the marketing strategy of Ultimate around the new Pokémon games' release window? It seems as though TPC is generally pretty autonomous with their marketing strategies (note the typical lack of Pokémon announcements in Directs, sometimes only for a batch of news to be released independently a week or less before or after). Between that and the fact that Pokémon is one of the few franchises in the world that is basically too big to fail, it doesn't seem outlandish to think that Nintendo only gives a small amount of consideration to Pokémon releases and reveals when plotting their own marketing plans.