Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ramen Tengoku]

Yes very good.

Ryu and probably Kasumi who was also in Monster Rancher 2

A random question about Kasumi...
I have never played DOA, But assuming she's a ninja like Ryu Hayabusa, do they play similarly when they cross over to each other's franchises (Ryu Hayabusa in DOA and Kasumi in Ninja Gaiden 3)?
I'm guessing probably not, but I think it's a question worth asking...

 

[NineS]

They were popular characters once upon a time. People seem to have forgotten that it’s not just a matter of choosing newcomers, but veterans too.
Hell, I’ll go a step further and say if we’re counting out any and all franchises with no future, then Samus should not have been in Sm4sh.

It'd be a little odd to call a character from such an important franchise irrelevant over one or two less than average games. Granted, there's the lack of games of any kind Metroid had for the longest time...

If this were true, then Sonic would likely be the most irrelevant of all. He has some less than average games every now and then, with his fans split, but he's still relevant.
I'm one of the poor saps who actually genuinely enjoys a lot of said games too. Except 06.

 

[Opossum]

Spoiler: Update 1: Latecomers

Marx
Ken (Ryu Echo)
Elma
Shantae

Battle Harbor
Heart of Nova
Saliva Island

Spoiler: Update 2: Mario and Friends

Kamek
Paper Mario
Boom Boom/Pom Pom
Dixie Kong

Fear Factory
Waluigi Pinball
Raphael's Moon

Spoiler: Update 3: The Next Level!

Tails
NiGHTS
Beat
ToeJam & Earl

Panic on Funkotron
Stick Canyon
Shibuya Terminal

Spoiler: Update 4: It's Hip to Be Square

Sora
Geno
Gex
Bub & Bob

Planet X
Forest Maze
Cave of Monsters

Spoiler: Update 5: Fire Emblem's Legends

Hector
Jagen
Celica
Sothe

Summoning Circle (Fire Emblem Heroes)
Twilight of Gods
End of All

Spoiler: Update 6: Retro Darlings

Mini Kangaroo
Diskun
Urban Champion
Tin Star

Famicom
East Driftwood
Smash Memories

Spoiler: Update 7: Pokémon's New Faces

Silvally
Misty (Three Pokémon in one)

Cerulean Gym
Ultra Space
Distortion World

Thoughts on all these?

I'm curious; how do you envision Jagen working?

 

[NineS]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm curious; how do you envision Jagen working?

I see him being a Marth echo as all he ever does is dress up as Marth and die

 

[KingofKoopas]

A random question about Kasumi...
I have never played DOA, But assuming she's a ninja like Ryu Hayabusa, do they play similarly when they cross over to each other's franchises (Ryu Hayabusa in DOA and Kasumi in Ninja Gaiden 3)?
I'm guessing probably not, but I think it's a question worth asking...

I believe in the latest game her fighting style is similar to Ryu's and its suggested shes been training in his village so it wouldnt be that much a stretch to have her as his echo.

Edit: Forgot to mention BOTH were in Warriors Orochi 3 the game where EVERYONE plays the same.. Ayane was too if i recall.

 

[Opossum]

I see him being a Marth echo as all he ever does is dress up as Marth and die

Nah, that's Frey's job canonically, and Gordin's job if you're going for efficiency.
Real talk why the hell would you sacrifice a fantastic unit like Jagen. He flies in the face of the stereotype and is solid for the whole game.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Probably.

were all largely unexpected at the time of their inclusion so I think it's one of the more reliable Smash patterns. So far Richter's the only new real curve ball unless you were super pessimistic about Ridley and K. Rool.

Can Ness and Jiggs really count in this considering 64 is the first Smash game?

New Sakurai bias confirmed. Retro bias.

Explains Duck Hunt...and that’s no problem for me

Seeing as, Sakurai essentially 'adopted' Kid icarus as his own from then, to Uprising, which we can assume was being planned for a while.

Well StarFox was gonna get the Sakurai treatment on the 3DS originally, so we can’t assume Uprising was planned

I'm one of the poor saps who actually genuinely enjoys a lot of said games too. Except 06.

It’s Sonic, so it’s ok to enjoy his bad games...especially 06 (but not by playing that one of course)

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Looking at this, it's still mind-blowing to see so many fan favorites and amazing characters finally coming together in one game.

It's literally becoming everything we've ever wanted combined into one.
I just wonder.. Now that we have gotten these amazing characters we have been asking for since melee and brawl, what will people begin to cheer on next? What will become "the next Ridley/K. Rool/Geno" of the years of Smash to come?

Waluigi, Ashley and/or Dixie?

 

[CosmicQuark]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

My thoughts? An unverified Twitter account with no obvious connection to insider knowledge--might not be the most trustworthy. But eh, if we consider the 17th 18th the next day we expect a Direct, it'll be no different than the 500 other times we've done so.

 

[The Legendary Beast]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

That's.....odd.....

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nah, that's Frey's job canonically, and Gordin's job if you're going for efficiency.
Real talk why the hell would you sacrifice a fantastic unit like Jagen. He flies in the face of the stereotype and is solid for the whole game.

Cause muh growths and level ups. Also I thought Gordin came after that chapter?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I believe in the latest game her fighting style is similar to Ryu's and its suggested shes been training in his village so it wouldnt be that much a stretch to have her as his echo.

Oh, okay, good. because I kinda wanted them both in, but I also think Fatal Frame could use a rep too (Giving it's history with Nintendo and all). I would be fine with Kasumi as an echo for Ryu Hayabusa in that case.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

Counting from today, that would make the direct air on the 18th. Even so, I don’t trust this.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Oh, okay, good. because I kinda wanted them both in, but I also think Fatal Frame could use a rep too (Giving it's history with Nintendo and all). I would be fine with Kasumi as an echo for Ryu Hayabusa in that case.

Well it could also be the case Ryu and Kasumi are seperate and Ayane is an echo of one or the other, one would have to be dlc though.. or both. I theorized that if anyhow Koei Tecmo would have their foot in the door (ie Impa) that they'd be in as the last classic characters and fighter game mascots. Course i also assumed Heihachi or Kazuya or Jin were all shoo-ins by this point and we have yet to see any tekken reps.. Maybe Tekken x Dead or Alive sometime in the future if this crossover dont occur in smash?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

Not sure if to trust or not

 

[Untouch]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

This is some minor twitter using a popular event for attention.
If the direct doesn't happen it'll be ignored.
If it does happen, people will flock to the post and give them attention.
They have nothing to lose doing this.

 

[Opossum]

Cause muh growths and level ups. Also I thought Gordin came after that chapter?

But that's dumb because bases>growths dammit. And nah, it's Draug that joins after the sacrifice. Gordin joins beforehand. Like, literally moments beforehand.

 

[Autobot N]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

I'm not sure if it will pan out, but it's worth keeping an eye on regardless.

 

[KingofKoopas]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

Smells like BS to me.. course im on the Final Smash Direct in November boat so i may be a bit biased.

 

[amazonevan19]

I'm going to see if I can make my own countdown on that website by just signing up.

If literally anyone can make one then that pretty much confirms it's fake and just there for attention/the luls.

 

[Frizz]

I used to hesitate using pre-promoted classes, but I've recently been informed that it's okay to do so, since exp distribution isn't hurt or something like that.

I also waited until Level 20 to promote a class, but chances are you're not going to reach 20/20 by end-game unless you grind, so it's better you promote them when necessary. That, and something about better growth rates.

Learning things like these went against everything I thought I knew was common sense in Fire Emblem, but I still have lots to learn apparently.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Smells like BS to me.. course im on the Final Smash Direct in November boat so i may be a bit biased.

A November Direct would be for the best just because of the extra pain of waiting being replaced with massive hype

 

[Fatmanonice]

Looking at this, it's still mind-blowing to see so many fan favorites and amazing characters finally coming together in one game.

It's literally becoming everything we've ever wanted combined into one.
I just wonder.. Now that we have gotten these amazing characters we have been asking for since melee and brawl, what will people begin to cheer on next? What will become "the next Ridley/K. Rool/Geno" of the years of Smash to come?

Waluigi is a big one. He was created as a throwaway character that's sort of morphed into something else entirely. Shantae, Bandana Dee, and Spring Man have that potential too if they don't make this game. Isaac, Skull Kid, and Banjo are more, again, if they get snubbed here. Shovel Knight, Ashley, and Takamaru are all characters that are prime for promotions too.

 

[T-Hell]

I really hope they sell the artwork poster of the whole roster in some especial pack or something. I really really want that thing in my wall so bad.

 

[amazonevan19]

https://yourcountdown.to/super-smash-bros-direct-1539358413

This is the one I just made as a test. Yeah anyone can create this ****, though I did note that there are "confirmed" and "unconfirmed" timers on the site and apparently the smash bros direct one is "confirmed" ...

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

Also, Sora would likely be our SE Rep over Lara Croft due to his immense popularity and iconic status.

Hard disagree with how dismissive you are of Lara in particular. I don't think you quite get how iconic Lara herself is. We're talking about a character who was so iconic during her run that she appeared on magazine covers, did commercials for products, and has had multiple movies made of her. She's easily up there with Chun-Li as the 2 most iconic women in gaming not yet in Smash. Sora is a massive gaming character but Lara is a legitimate cultural powerhouse.

 

[Pyra]

but it's worth keeping an eye on regardless.

No it isn't.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I should've clarifired, I meant what seven updates as in all seven updates added four characters and three stages each, asn in Update #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6,#7. My bad lol.

Spoiler: Update 1 Third Party Madness

Includes characters form Japanese third party franchises

Heihachi
Geno
Shadow (Sonic Echo)
Ms Pac-Man (Pac-Man Echo)

Stages:
Tekken Stage
Forest Maze
Pac Maze

Spoiler: Update 2 Nintendo New Faces

Includes characters from unrepresented Nintendo franchises

Isaac
Rhythm Girl
Spring Man
Min Min (Spring Man Semiclone)

Stages:
Venus Lighthouse
Remix 10
Spring Stadium

Spoiler: Update 3 Third Party Madness 2

Includes characters from western third party franchises

Steve
Alex (Steve Echo)
Banjo Kazooie
Crash Bandicoot

Stages:
New World
Cloud Cuckoo Land
N. Sanity Beach

Spoiler: Update 4 Oldtimey Newcomers

Includes newcomers from already represented Franchises

Bandanna Waddle Dee
Impa
Elma
Funky Kong (Donkey Kong Echo)

Stages:
Cookie Country
New Los Angeles
Pictochat

Spoiler: Update 5 Fresh New Faces

Includes characters that either debuted or had a major presence on the Switch

Rex & Pyra
Octoling (Inkling Echo or Semi Clone)
Edelgard
Gen 8 Pokemon

Stages:
Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion Stage
FE Three Houses Stage
Pokemon Gen 8 Stage

Spoiler: Update 6 Koei Tecmo Panic

Includes characters owned by Koei Tecmo

Ryu Hayabusa
Kasumi (Ryu Hayabusa Echo. not sure if this could work or not, but I've been told it possibly could.)
Linkle
Fatal Frame Protag

Stages:
Ninja Gaiden Stage
Dead Or Alive Stage
Fatal Frame Stage

Spoiler: Update 7 Triumphant Return

Includes characters from dead Nintendo franchises

Felix (Isaac Echo)
Sami
Saki
Ayumi Tachibanna

Stages:
Advance Wars Stage
Sin and Punishment Stage
Famicom Detective Club

 

[amazonevan19]

"You agree that by submitting a ‘public’ type countdown such as a movie, TV or game release you allow us review, edit and at our discretion approve this countdown on to our website. You understand that you will then no longer be able to edit this countdown in your account. If any amends need to be made to this countdown from this point forward you can make a public countdown amend request."

So either someone on that site is definitely on the inside track, or it's horse****. I'm tending to believe the latter but I'd love to be wrong.

 

[Pakky]

All go to the gym, who quits first?

 

[T-Hell]

So either someone on that site is definitely on the inside track, or it's horse****.

Like always..

 

[amazonevan19]

Like always..

With nothing this week, I think the probability of a reveal trailer lessens the more time goes on, and the probability of a blowout direct increases. Having said that, the probability said blowout direct is toward the end of October is also pretty high as opposed to mid October in my estimation. Nintendo probably wants to hit hard starting November and they can send off the month of October with the blowout smash direct as a preview of coming attractions. Mid October wouldn't make as much sense since that'd leave Halloween with pretty much nothing except doing more Luigi's Mansion shilling.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Quick thoughts and theorizing on how the blog can sublty give us the amount of newcomers left.

This. of course, assumes that the blog keeps doing its average of 3 characters per week.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I think Mother Brain will a boss, remember bosses can also be assist trophies too.

 

[Fastblade5035]

But that's dumb because bases>growths dammit. And nah, it's Draug that joins after the sacrifice. Gordin joins beforehand. Like, literally moments beforehand.

i prefer growths

 

[amazonevan19]

Quick thoughts and theorizing on how the blog can sublty give us the amount of newcomers left.

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This. of course, assumes that the blog keeps doing its average of 3 characters per week.

So 5 more including echoes? It's *possible* but honestly I'm expecting 3-4 max, if box theory is wrong. Whenever we've tried to nail down a pattern based on blog fighter reveals, it always seems to get thrown off by 2 or 4 character weeks. But I really hope it's 5 so box theory can get ****ed

 

[Union of Darkness]

So. What are everyone's thoughts on this out-of-nowhere thing?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This would technically be a leak, wouldn't it? It's a little odd and out of nowhere. Especially for a twitter account made to announce countdowns and seems to have existed for a long while. Add the lack of context to it...

5 days would be Wednesday, which is possible for a Direct day. It's probably nothing though.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

All go to the gym, who quits first?

In order:
> > >

Besides that one time he was buff (through magic) Dedede is not really an athlete.

K. Rool has boxed and performs wrestling moves so he must perform some form of exercise.

Wario went through intensive training in the Mario Power Tennis opening cutscene so I guess he can keep up with an exercise routine.

Bowser burned his entire body fat in like 10 seconds in BiS so exercise must be simple routine for him. He's actually in pretty good shape for a Koopa.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

All go to the gym, who quits first?

DeDeDe easily. Bowser wouldn’t leave unless either Jr needs him or he wants to turn into Bowsette