Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TheCJBrine]

No guys, you wouldn't play as Team Rocket themselves, you'd play as Meowth as well as Arbok, Weezing, or maybe Wobbufett alongside him.

It's just, Team Rocket would be launched with them so that the Star KO can be "We're blasting off againnnnn...!"

 

[Pyra]

He's just a freak without a human heart!! NO WAY HE SHOULD BE PLAYABLE!!!

Dunno why, but my immediate response was "Pokemon themselves don't have human hearts either, tho"

 

[Jetsurge]

actually there's a pending rumor claiming Greninja's Final Smash has been "updated"

It's a pretty safe prediction. Ash Greninja was huge in Japan and was voted the #1 Pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

He's just a freak without a human heart!! NO WAY HE SHOULD BE PLAYABLE!!!

No one asked for your opinion...Dennis.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I call Sakubias! Sakurai was just really salty about Charizard X defeating Ash-Greninja in the anime, so he didn't include it to prevent that from happening in Smash! First taking so long to include Ridley and now this? He obviously hates dragons!

I'm joking obviously.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

To everyone using Ash Greninja as a legitimate argument for Goku or any anime character in Smash

Don't.

Pokemon is a first-party franchise, so they can do whatever they want with it since they own the thing. This applies to both the anime (which had already found its way to Smash in several ways before Ultimate was even a thing, might I add) and the games.

Putting an first-party anime character as a Final Smash appearance is in no way a possible link to third-party manga characters. Especially when Lucario also debuted in an anime and 13 years later, still no Goku.

 

[Noipoi]

I call Sakubias! Sakurai was just really salty about Charizard X defeating Ash-Greninja in the anime, so he didn't include it to prevent that from happening in Smash! First taking so long to include Ridley and now this? He obviously hates dragons!

I'm joking obviously.

He hates dragons, and he loves cats.

Spoiler

Wrestling cats?

 

[Deleted member]

Did something new happen? I'm hearing stuff about Ash Greninja.

 

[Noipoi]

Did something new happen? I'm hearing stuff about Ash Greninja.

The blog post confirmed that during Greninja's final smash he turns into Ash Greninja.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Did something new happen? I'm hearing stuff about Ash Greninja.

Blog update mentionned Ash-Greninja.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm tired of so many Gen 1 Pokemon in Smash so the only new fighters I'd accept are:
-Hitmonchan
-Team Rockett
That's it.

Seriously though, the idea for Team Rockett is the best concept for any Pokemon newcomer, there isn't a single person in this entire world who doesn't love that trio of dorks and you're a damn liar if you say otherwise.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Lucario may have appeared in the anime first as well, but Ash-Greninja was created for the anime

To everyone using Ash Greninja as a legitimate argument for Goku or any anime character in Smash

Don't.

Pokemon is a first-party franchise, so they can do whatever they want with it since they own the thing. This applies to both the anime (which had already found its way to Smash in several ways before Ultimate was even a thing, might I add) and the games.

Putting an first-party anime character as a Final Smash appearance is in no way a possible link to third-party manga characters. Especially when Lucario also debuted in an anime and 13 years later, still no Goku.

So Team Rocket (with Meowth and their Pokemon as playable) are a perfectly viable newcomer choice

 

[Iridium]

He hates dragons, and he loves cats.

Spoiler

Wrestling cats?

You reminded me of this.

I always look at this, and think, "Huh? Huh.".

 

[Nap_]

If Dixie is in Diddy's new FS it wold be jail worthy coming along again with that **** of FS with desired characters after Chrom's rescue operation. They sure noticed the salt with Robin-Lucina trailer. Again with this? Eh, bunch of mad developers. It's a possibilty, of course, but it could be strange. She's not among the most requested ones but neither among the less, probably Dixie was noticed in one way or another after the ballot. Echo, semi-echo, AT, easy development for DLC... There's a lot of options for Dixie. As a Dixie supporter an AT could be hard to shallow but a FS even worse.
And I'm sure that they are not showing Diddy too much for speculation with her.

 

[Deleted member]

To everyone using Ash Greninja as a legitimate argument for Goku or any anime character in Smash

Don't.

Pokemon is a first-party franchise, so they can do whatever they want with it since they own the thing. This applies to both the anime (which had already found its way to Smash in several ways before Ultimate was even a thing, might I add) and the games.

Putting an first-party anime character as a Final Smash appearance is in no way a possible link to third-party manga characters. Especially when Lucario also debuted in an anime and 13 years later, still no Goku.

Wait? People are actually trying to make this a legitimate excuse?
First competitive Smash, now this - the jokes keep on comin'.

 

[Roberk]

Pokemon content in Smash and Smash itself is one big Pokemon anime reference. The Pokemon personalities, Jigglypuff's inclusion, the star KO, Lucario's VA, etc. Smash Bros referencing the Pokemon anime is not new.

 

[Potato_]

To everyone using Ash Greninja as a legitimate argument for Goku or any anime character in Smash

Don't.

Pokemon is a first-party franchise, so they can do whatever they want with it since they own the thing. This applies to both the anime (which had already found its way to Smash in several ways before Ultimate was even a thing, might I add) and the games.

Putting an first-party anime character as a Final Smash appearance is in no way a possible link to third-party manga characters. Especially when Lucario also debuted in an anime and 13 years later, still no Goku.

Thanks for this, clearly all the people arguing this need reminding. I mean just look at the thread, it's full of people making this argument

 

[Deleted member]

To everyone using Ash Greninja as a legitimate argument for Goku or any anime character in Smash

Don't.

Pokemon is a first-party franchise, so they can do whatever they want with it since they own the thing. This applies to both the anime (which had already found its way to Smash in several ways before Ultimate was even a thing, might I add) and the games.

Putting an first-party anime character as a Final Smash appearance is in no way a possible link to third-party manga characters. Especially when Lucario also debuted in an anime and 13 years later, still no Goku.

But Goku is a necessary missing ingredient for this game becoming the official version of Super Smash Bros. Crusade. I will use any dumb reasoning to justify his inclusion that I can.

Sorry, I know Goku's next to impossible, and there are tons of non-game characters I'd rather have, but we're just so close to SSBC, and I want it.

 

[Noipoi]

Seriously though, the idea for Team Rockett is the best concept for any Pokemon newcomer, there isn't a single person in this entire world who doesn't love that trio of dorks and you're a damn liar if you say otherwise.

I say otherwise.

Spoiler

i'm also a damn liar

 

[Deleted member]

The blog post confirmed that during Greninja's final smash he turns into Ash Greninja.

Blog update mentionned Ash-Greninja.

Ah, okay, cool. Is it tied to some rumor? I was hearing stuff about that as well.

 

[Deleted member]

Pokemon content in Smash and Smash itself is one big Pokemon anime reference. The Pokemon personalities, Jigglypuff's inclusion, the star KO, Lucario's VA, etc. Smash Bros referencing the Pokemon anime is not new.

Heck, Misty's trophy in Melee straight up uses her anime design instead of her RBY or GSC designs.

 

[Zinith]

Makes me wonder if Yoshi's Final Smash will be revealed in this manner...

 

[ZephyrZ]

He hates dragons, and he loves cats.

Spoiler

Wrestling cats?

Guzzlord was robbed. He could be resized, but noooo, Sakurai and his Fire Emblem Type bias strikes again.

Ah, okay, cool. Is it tied to some rumor? I was hearing stuff about that as well.

I think some "leaker" predicted that'd be the blog post, but people aren't taking it seriously because today is X/Y's anniversary so it was a safe guess.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Oh I know Goku would never be in Smash, I was using this to argue Team Rocket and their 'mons

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Pokemon content in Smash and Smash itself is one big Pokemon anime reference. The Pokemon personalities, Jigglypuff's inclusion, the star KO, Lucario's VA, etc. Smash Bros referencing the Pokemon anime is not new.

Merely the way the Pokemon speak is an anime reference too.

You don't hear them saying their own names in the games, it's a thing from the anime.

 

[Blargg888]

Never thought we'd see the blog actually give new info again.

Glad to see Ash Greninja in Smash.

If Incineroar gets in, I sincerely hope it doesn't have Blast Burn in its moveset.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

So this leak...ahem..."predicted" the character
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434867625
Sooo now what

 

[KingofKoopas]

To everyone using Ash Greninja as a legitimate argument for Goku or any anime character in Smash

Don't.

Pokemon is a first-party franchise, so they can do whatever they want with it since they own the thing. This applies to both the anime (which had already found its way to Smash in several ways before Ultimate was even a thing, might I add) and the games.

Putting an first-party anime character as a Final Smash appearance is in no way a possible link to third-party manga characters. Especially when Lucario also debuted in an anime and 13 years later, still no Goku.

Technically Second party but youre still right

 

[Chrono.]

Makes me wonder if Yoshi's Final Smash will be revealed in this manner...

Obviously characters who don't have a new FS referenced in their blog post won't get a new one.

I feel some folks will actually believe that

 

[Untouch]

So this leak...ahem..."predicted" the character
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434867625
Sooo now what

It's the anniversary of XY. Safe and easy prediction.

 

[Deleted member]

Merely the way the Pokemon speak is an anime reference too.

You don't hear them saying their own names in the games, it's a thing from the anime.

Only Pikachu's allowed to do it in the games, and even then it wasn't until X and Y that it was by default. Otherwise, Pikachu only had its Pokemon speak in Yellow, which is itself, a giant anime reference.

 

[lightdrago]

I only accept Team Rocket if they bring both Weezing and Wobbuffett. Weezing is a favorite of mine from Gen I and Wobbuffett is one of the few good things to come out of Gen II.

 

[praline]

To everyone using Ash Greninja as a legitimate argument for Goku or any anime character in Smash

Don't.

Pokemon is a first-party franchise, so they can do whatever they want with it since they own the thing. This applies to both the anime (which had already found its way to Smash in several ways before Ultimate was even a thing, might I add) and the games.

Putting an first-party anime character as a Final Smash appearance is in no way a possible link to third-party manga characters. Especially when Lucario also debuted in an anime and 13 years later, still no Goku.

Most people are saying it ironically I assumed

 

[KingofKoopas]

So this leak...ahem..."predicted" the character
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434867625
Sooo now what

now we say "so effing what its still fake" because honestly it probably is. I mean shantae and isaac as assists? you gotta be kidding me...



also 4chan anon post and yada yada..

 

[PLATINUM7]

Merely the way the Pokemon speak is an anime reference too.

You don't hear them saying their own names in the games, it's a thing from the anime.

Well aside from Pikachu but again, that was taken from the anime.

 

[KMDP]

I'm tired of so many Gen 1 Pokemon in Smash so the only new fighters I'd accept are:
-Hitmonchan
-Team Rockett
That's it.

Says they're tired of Gen 1 Pokémon
Lists Gen 1 Pokémon as the Pokémon they'd want.

...

I get what you actually meant, Shish, but, you know...

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So this leak...ahem..."predicted" the character
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434867625
Sooo now what

As someone already said, the date lines up with X and Y's anniversary. Pretty safe bet, imo.

Would've been more believable if it specifically mentionned Ash-Greninja.

 

[Deleted member]

So this leak...ahem..."predicted" the character
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434867625
Sooo now what

> Pac-Maze

Fake. If we gotten Pac-Maze from 3DS, we would've already had it revealed back in the August Direct, with the list of stages going in chronological order.

 

[ZephyrZ]

So this leak...ahem..."predicted" the character
http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434867625
Sooo now what

Okay not that I'm looking at this leak, this part made me chuckle.

>A second Square Enix rep

Why have just one vague Square Enix rep when you can have both? And we have one in both the base roster and as DLC, and that's why Verg wasn't sure of it!

Yeah I'm not taking it seriously.

 

[Noipoi]

Pokemon stuff in Smash is mostly taken from the games, but a huge chunk is from the Anime.
I feel like if Jigglypuff couldn't reuse Kirby's model, Meowth would be in Smash instead. He's way more prominent in the anime and he'd give Pikachu a more direct rival.

Meowth is the only Kanto Pokemon i'll accept at this point. He really does deserve it.