Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ZephyrZ]

If this is what we're ending with, I'm fine:











You see it's funny because I'm fine with the game's current roster even if we get no more newcomers.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

If Incineroar has this as his pummel and D-Throw, then I'd be 100% satisfied with him being in Ultimate:

Of course, I'd love anything else Mike Haggar related for his moveset, as he was my favorite character to use in Final Fight.

 

[Iridium]

I know Mega Man could talk through text early, but hearing his voice in a game now (forget the cartoon) is nice. Also, clean gameplay and graphics to boot.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

It's weird, but I kind of wish Nintendo kept Jason's voice clips for Radiant Dawn Ike while Greg voiced Path of Radiance Ike.

As for Princess Zelda... unless I'm mistaken, I think she's being voiced by Yu Shimamura (who I believe seems to be the "primary" Zelda voice of the late 2000s, whereas Jun Misuzawa was the 'primary Zelda' of the 90s and early 2000's).

Wouldn't have minded that seeing as Greg's range is kinda poor (all his FEH characters sound the same).
Oh that's interesting, was she Zelda in BOTW?

 

[Chrono.]

Could you show me which one, please?

This one.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

If this is all we're ending with, then i'm fine with it.

Celica Better be a Robin echo.... But yeah, I'd love this roster...

Incineroar: Litten was my gen 7 starter and hated Rowlet and the attention he got... Looks like I might have the Last laugh 10/10
Shadow: Easily one of the most obvious echoes... I'd take it... 10/10
Ken: He's the OG echo... He deserves it 10/10
Steve: Easily my most wanted third party character... 10/10
Celica: This is assuming that she is a Pichu version of Robin... In that case, yes I'd take her 8/10
Geno: While I don't want him personally, I know a lot of fans want him and I respect that. So I'm kinda hoping he's in, just for them... 7/10

overall, this possible last batch of newcomers gets a 9/10 from me. All that it would be missing for me is an RH rep, and It would be perfect...

 

[Zinith]

If this is what we're ending with, I'm fine:











You see it's funny because I'm fine with the game's current roster even if we get no more newcomers.

Is there more info to suggest that this is the final roster? Fill me in...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So far I see it as we’re just gonna get a few more coming up with one more directly given what sakurai said.

Otherwise it’s playing the waiting game til release day.

Almost just 2 months left.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

If this is all we're ending with, then i'm fine with it.

I will be really excited for Geno, Shadow, and Steve!

I am ok with Incineroar and Ken since they are very obvious that they will make it into Ultimate.

Not sure if Celica will be an echo or not though.

 

[ReeseBalaski]

I still say five more max. But even if there's like, 2 more, I'm more than satisfied with this game already.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Is there more info to suggest that this is the final roster? Fill me in...

See this here box?

It suggests that either we are getting no more newomers, or that our remaining newcomers are invisible. So I suppose it's still possible we could get a ghost or the Invisible Man as playable fighters.

Also Isabelle was a lie. Sakurai only put that trailer out because he's a troll.


No offense to anyone who actually believes the box theory, I actually do believe it could be plausible.

 

[Opossum]

"Celica as a Robin echo" is the new "Isabelle as a Villager echo."

I'm not putting too much stock into a text leak that may have gotten lucky since I believe in Box Theory, but Celica as a Robin echo outright doesn't work.

Like, there's a better chance of Mae getting in as a Celica echo, and that's saying something. I'd totally love that btw.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The Black Hole item may not be labled as a Kid Icarus item, but it's very clearly taken from the Black Hole power from Uprising. It functions exactly the same way.

So do many black holes, doesn’t mean it’s from Uprising (Mega Man and Palutena have black holes apart of their final smashes, so it’d be pointless to make the item from either series). The only new item from this game and the item from Smash 4 that were obviously taken from Uprising are the *Insight* Staff and the Drill Arm

 

[CosmicQuark]

If this is what we're ending with, I'm fine:











You see it's funny because I'm fine with the game's current roster even if we get no more newcomers.

As I've said before, Smash Ultimate could have ended at E3 and I would have been satisfied. Pre-E3, I was actively hoping for a Smash 4 port so that nobody would get cut. How naive I was back then.

That having been said, I've readjusted my expectations with what's been given. The end of E3 lowered expectations, and the August Direct shattered them. So it's been quite difficult to adjust my expectations this time around--but the above continues to remain true.

 

[SkywardStriker16]

At page 1000, we were in the middle of that gap between the reveal and E3
At page 2000, we were hot off the coattails of E3, talking about what Ultimate had to offer and could offer
At page 3000, we were still hyped about everything shown in the Smash Direct
At page 4000, we were all in chaos about the direct being delayed

And now, at page 5000....wait how did we get here in 3 weeks?

In response to your question, a cardboard box.
That, and Steve.
And now, I guess, another Fire Emblem character.

 

[Deleted member]

If this is all we're ending with, then i'm fine with it.

Inceneroar: I’ll take it. Not the Pokemon I was expecting, but hey maybe he’ll be cool.
Ken: Not surprised considering Ken is the OG clone.
Geno: Great for everyone that wanted him after all these years.
Steve: Eh, I’m not to big on Steve, but I think he could offer something interesting.
Shadow: Bleh.
Celica:

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

*Pees pants*

Mother of god...

 

[Deleted member]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

Wait for real? Where was this?

 

[Opossum]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

I wouldn't put any stock in that at all. Something like that wouldn't have even gotten out to a random clerk, never mind confirmed by several of them.

 

[Zinith]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

Not gonna believe this until I see evidence...

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

"I'm kinda hoping that you aren't expecting too many new challengers"
Oh Sakurai, you cheeky Little Liar

Seriously though, I kinda doubt it imo

 

[TheCJBrine]

Incineroar: I've come to like his design, and him being a "heel" Pokemon
Ken: okay.
Geno: I haven't played SMRPG yet, but I like his character and design
Steve: YesssSSSSSsssss. (but Banjo-Kazooie too pls)
Shadow: okay.
Celica: okay.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It would be great if true though but its very unlikely.

 

[Jchrono95]

Oof man that's uh

That's got a 99.999999999999% chance of being untrue

 

[Noipoi]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

You lads ready for 32 character reveals over the next two months!?

 

[Union of Darkness]

The "exciting news" for Minecon is they will be moving Minecraft: Story Mode to another studio so it can continue. Because everyone wants that.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

I remember seeing a mock-up boxart at GameStop that said something along those lines.

But that was before the game was revealed as Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and it had Shovel Knight on the cover.

 

[NextChannelGames]

Congratulations on 5002 pages! I was here during 100 pages O.O

But can’t wait to see more adventures of us talking about more Smash till launch and DLC.

By the way, what’s you guys favorite stage remake so far in Ultimate? Now with 103 stages there’s a lot of good ones here.

 

[Questionmark222]

Off Topic But gen 5 was the peak of pokemon

I see you're a man of culture as well.

 

[Will]

The "exciting news" for Minecon is they will be moving Minecraft: Story Mode to another studio so it can continue. Because everyone wants that.

Wait it's still going?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You lads ready for 32 character reveals over the next two months!?

Sakurai: “We need to slow the pace of reveals.”

Last Direct: “SURPRISE *************!!!!!!!!”
Sakurai: “Never ask me for anything again!”

 

[AreJay25]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock into what Gamestop says.

Case in point;

 

[Rie Sonomura]

My friend now said the “100 characters” is PROBABLY counting Assist Trophies, so...

They’ll try to verify it whenever they can

 

[Untouch]

With how Sakurai said that 3 characters in 2 months was "a bit overboard", I very highly doubt we're getting more than 2 unique characters in the same timespan.
Echos are a different story but we'll have to see I guess.
I still personally think the box theory is right but I'm just trying to keep my expectations in check.

 

[Jchrono95]

I mean, I can maybe see nintendo announcing 100 as an end of dlc goal. I would be completely and utterly shocked if 100 was for the base

 

[CosmicQuark]

Hey so uh

I’m hearing from a friend in a discord server that some GameStops have an ad saying 100 fighters or something, and that some clerks reinforced it to them

Anyone been to a GameStop lately and noticed said ad??

I think if it was an ad that was inadvertently out in the public the internet would be ablaze by now--said person would have certainly taken a photograph if they saw it.

That's not even getting into the implausibility of announcing 30 characters in 2 months. I'm optimistic that if we count Mii Fighters and Pokemon Trainer separately, we're at 74 character, with the base game we could have 80, and through extended DLC with tons of echos--it isn't *impossible* to reach 100. But not in the base game. Would love to be proven wrong with evidence, though.

EDIT: If counting assist trophies, aren't we kinda there? He said over 50 assists, and we're at 70 characters now.

 

[TheCJBrine]

The "exciting news" for Minecon is they will be moving Minecraft: Story Mode to another studio so it can continue. Because everyone wants that.

but Ruben already died.

why'd they continue without Ruben

 

[Idon]

Now, this is operating under the assumption that these are realistic decisions and not my own pipe dreams. Course, I am HELLA BIASED so deal with it.

-3 Nintendo newcomers,
Isaac (Golden Sun), BWD (Kirby), Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade Chronicles)
Isaac and BWD have been long, LONG requested with many fan requests and has remained a consistent want for a dozen years now while Rex and Pyra have been recent mega-hits and a representative of the continuation of a large-scale franchise which Nintendo could not possibly overlook. From a popularity and advertising standpoint, Rex and Pyra are a no-brainer.
-3 3rd party,
Jack Frost (Atlus), Ryu Hayabusa (Koei Tecmo), Doom Slayer (DOOM)
All these 3rd parties have had a large amount of historical significance to Nintendo and in gaming as a whole. At the same time, they're the faces of their own respective genres and would be recognizable to most people who are even somewhat aware of videogames. As an aside, all of them have recent games headed over to Switch, also making it a prime advertisement opportunity. As much as I'd prefer an actual protagonist over Jack Frost, there's no denying he's far more recognizable, which is also the only reason I think Nintendo would pick him over Erdrick from Dragon Quest while Slime has a bit less to work with in terms of moveset potential due to needing to draw from variants to be unique.
-3 upgraded assists
Lyn (Fire Emblem), Bomberman (Bomberman), Waluigi (Mario)
All three have had an extremely large amount of fan-requests over the years, on top of being parts of still relevant franchises, with one in particular causing a large influx of jokes with his deconfirmation. Considering none of them are lacking for moveset potential, it wouldn't be so difficult to create a unique moveset as well. if any assist trophies in particular were getting cut and re-added as fighters, I'd find it hard to see any other assist trophies being as most likely for a DLC upgrade.
- 3 echo fighters
Octoling (Splatoon), Shadow (Sonic), Medusa (Kid Icarus).
Shadow and Octoling serve as both rival characters and as villains, mimicking the player character's abilities, albeit with a different visual flair, a relatively easy way to make them lazy echoes. Shadow would have to give up his chaos abilities and guns, but echoes don't exactly adhere to lore to begin with. Medusa I see happening because Sakurai Bias but also because she's played a major role both in the retro game and in the reboot while having similar proportions and weaponry as Palutena except with a unique appearance and visual flair. (Except for the shield, but they could easily just make it a dark shield or something)

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Celica Better be a Robin echo.... But yeah, I'd love this roster...

Fire Emblem having 3 echo fighters would be the epitome of what's wrong with the series pattern of protagonists (it already is with 2 echo fighters, one of which is built of a semi clone of the character the other echo fighter is based off of ...)



Also why would Game Stop have the info about 100 characters, let alone some random clerks being in the know? Answer that and we could discuss it seriously.