Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ura]

If Dark Pit were to return I think he would need to change up his attacks a bit similar to how Luigi was changed from 64 to Melee.

Doesn't have to be extensive. Maybe even on the level of Doctor Mario in terms of how much of a clone he is.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I think it'd be sick if Dark Pit's normals utilized the Claw weapon type from Uprising, and his specials utilized the Dark Pit Staff. Seeing as his only appearance is within that game, I think it'd be cool if he represented that specific title a little more than Pit.

 

[Ura]

Well I suppose you are free to your opinion, but I have to completely disagree with you. Sakurai isn't an idiot. I don't want Goku in this game either, but your pessimism is astronomical.

Well geez dude. Sorry for being paranoid about the prospect of non-video game characters in the game. You might think it could end there but there is no guarantee that it would and in all likelihood it wouldn't. It's a nightmare scenario I never want to live with.

Don't hate me, but I'd prefer to get Goku instead.

I know, neither outcome is pleasant but dammit I would take the first option if it meant Smash never being opened to dumb 4th party characters.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

ExciteBike revealed next. Arms probably revealed last as a result of being added late in development.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Well geez dude. Sorry for being paranoid about the prospect of non-video game characters in the game. You might think it could end there but there is no guarantee that it would and in all likelihood it wouldn't. It's a nightmare scenario I never want to live with.

I'm certainly not trying to be rude to you, I just don't think we should discount Sakurai's ability to reason. It seems pretty unfair to him, and he's given us near 20 years of incredible games that once included unfortunate mechanics like tripping. But hey, hopefully Goku doesn't appear at all and we don't have to even be concerned about this.

 

[Cosmic77]

I know, neither outcome is pleasant but dammit I would take the first option if it meant Smash never being opened to dumb 4th party characters.

B-But then we'll never get to see Spongebob in Smash!


Relax. Based off Sakurai's previous comments on characters such as Goku, I think the odds of that ever happening are INCREDIBLY slim. Like Mr. Game and Watch slim.

 

[Ura]

ExciteBike revealed next. Arms probably revealed last as a result of being added late in development.

I'm doubtful for ExciteBike.

I'm certainly not trying to be rude to you, I just don't think we should discount Sakurai's ability to reason. It seems pretty unfair to him, and he's given us near 20 years of incredible games that once included unfortunate mechanics like tripping. But hey, hopefully Goku doesn't appear at all and we don't have to even be concerned about this.

B-But then we'll never get to see Spongebob in Smash!


Relax. Based off Sakurai's previous comments on characters such as Goku, I think the odds of that ever happening are INCREDIBLY slim. Like Mr. Game and Watch slim.

Lets all hope so.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I think batman should join before goku because he's a bigger impact in pop culture.

Not that I would want a non-videogame character.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Nobody was ever arguing about Goku on this thread before the trailer was revealed.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

We'll probably get a guest character reveal at E3 since that's typically been the time where guest characters have been announced. I just wonder who it will be.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Nobody was ever arguing about Goku on this thread before the trailer was revealed.

Non-Goku conversations were sacrificed so we could have a new game.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

There are so many video-games characters to add before Goku.
I would be so salty if he got in before Ridley.

 

[Deleted member]

Why are we discussing 4th party characters again? Eh, might as well give my 2 cents

Spoiler

Don't tell me you don't ****ing want this

 

[Ura]

We'll probably get a guest character reveal at E3 since that's typically been the time where guest characters have been announced. I just wonder who it will be.

le cresh

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

The Nintendo News on Switch has just debunked the port theory.

How does it debunk it?

 

[Luminario]

Question: If the Octolings were playable in some capacity, would you prefer them as alt skins for the Inklings (which would probably make it a 4-4-4-4 split between the boy/girls of both) or as a [semi-]clone character of their own, Possibly with different weapons?

Personally I’d prefer semi-clone because I don’t mind clones, and there’s so many weapon types+choices that giving something different to the Octoling to represent more of the Splatoon arsenal seems like a no-brainer to me.

I could see semi-clone happening. Octolings are a very popular part of Splatoon, especially with the Octo Expansion coming summer, I can see them using the same weapon types as Inklings but mixed up slighty, like instead of the Splat Charger they get a E-Litre, or instead of the Inbrush it's an Octobrush. Basically they could be more power/range, less speed.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Most disagree, but I think that Little Mac and Duck Hunt are being replaced by new Retro characters.
Wii Fit Trainer just seems like an easy drop choice for more new characters considering this game won't be on a Wii system or have Wii Fit.
Shulk is the most likely to stay but he is possible to get cut because of Rex.

Okay, I lied. Bayonetta is the most likely to stay but sometimes I try to forget she was ever in Smash.

I don’t think Little Mac or Duck Hunt are going anywhere. Sakurai loves adding retro reps, and considered L’Mac and Duck Hunt are unique and iconic in their own right, especially to Nintendo.

Wii Fit Trainer is unique, and I feel like she represents the Wii Era. Wii Fit was a popular franchise for a popular Nintendo system.

I’ve explained my feelings on Shulk staying while we also get a new Xenoblade rep in Rex & Pyra.

I’d rather not see unique characters cut. I also feel like you’re using the mentality that “If this character stays/gets in this other character won’t.” Which has been explained many, many times as not being the case.

To each their own though.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Tiny thing but I really hope they go back to using Ness's victory theme from Melee/64. I don't really care for the Brawl/Smash 4 one.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

As fun as I think Goku could be (Super Smash Flash 2 is a prospect of this), he's not happening. It's been made explicitly clear that originating from a video game is a requirement for being in Smash.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Why are we discussing 4th party characters again? Eh, might as well give my 2 cents

Spoiler

Don't tell me you don't ****ing want this

Well, I had an idea for a fourth-party character too...

Spoiler

Just kidding, eat it Vader lmao

 

[Deleted member]

Tiny thing but I really hope they go back to using Ness's victory theme from Melee/64. I don't really care for the Brawl/Smash 4 one.

I do like the old one better, so I agree.
I'd like it if Lucas kept the current one though.

 

[Superyoshiom]

I hope they do to bayonetta what they did to brawl meta knight

Edit: ( Nerrrrrrrrf )

I hope they did to Bayonetta what smash 4 did to Ice Climbers.

I'm sorry, I'll let myself out.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

No seriously, how does "Super Smash Bros. (working title)" debunk that it isn't a port?

 

[Superyoshiom]

No seriously, how does "Super Smash Bros. (working title)" debunk that it isn't a port?

Why would you need to keep "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch" a secret other than to anger people who thought it'd be an original game later on?

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Why would you need to keep "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch" a secret other than to anger people who thought it'd be an original game later on?

Well even if it is a port they could go with a different name, like Super Smash Bros DX or something. I don't think it's a port though.

 

[papagenos]

What if transformations are back? were they cut because of an issue with the 3DS I cant recall?

I know squirtle and ivysaur were requested to come back, not as much as wolf and ice climbers but I know the cut veterans were very high on the smash ballot (which I assume is where a lot of the roster choices will come from this time) so perhaps we'll see pokemon trainer again?

If that's the case ZS Samus and Sheik could Maybe go back to being transformations? I'm not sure how I feel about this, as i like them separate and i like charizard alone but it could potentially happen. I'm considering what could be the big changes that would be a reason to make this not a port and this could be one of them.

If transformations do come back then I'd love for "Champions" to be a character as you wouldn't have to pick just one and we'd get the 4 unrepresented races of Hyrule in as playable. My biggest issue with the champions is picking one over the others but this would work well.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I do like the old one better, so I agree.
I'd like it if Lucas kept the current one though.

I mean, I support that. If Mario and Kirby can get multiple victory themes, why not Ness and Lucas?

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

No seriously, how does "Super Smash Bros. (working title)" debunk that it isn't a port?

If it was a port, it would have for title something with "for" in it.
Naming the next smash bros "Super Smash Bros. (working title)" is unexpecting enough to confirm it's a new game. Especially the "()".

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, I support that. If Mario and Kirby can get multiple victory themes, why not Ness and Lucas?

I actually want every character to have a unique victory theme.
And I also want Meta Knight to get a new victory theme, the current one feels super lazy to me.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

le cresh

I just wonder if Sakurai even knew about the Crash trilogy by the time the roster was decided.

 

[Zzuxon]

I just wonder if Sakurai even knew about the Crash trilogy by the time the roster was decided.

I mean, he put in Cloud, and Crash has a similar amount of star power.

 

[Applebutter61]

I almost don't want tranformations back because it feels like a waste of a move. Actually, it would be cool if transformations did come back in the form of a taunt rather than a down b or something.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I mean, he put in Cloud, and Crash has a similar amount of star power.

Oh, yeah. Totally. Final Fantasy = Crash Bandicoot. No. As much as I like Crash.

 

[Ura]

Crash is one of the few western series to do well in Japan. I would say don't sleep on the Bandicoot.

 

[Chron]

I almost don't want tranformations back because it feels like a waste of a move. Actually, it would be cool if transformations did come back in the form of a taunt rather than a down b or something.

Phantom Armor isn't too great either though.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I mean, he put in Cloud, and Crash has a similar amount of star power.

I think that’s a little bit of a stretch. Final Fantasy/Cloud is astronomically bigger than Crash Bandicoot. At least from what I can see.

I’m not saying Crash Bandicoot isn’t popular, but Final Fantasy is more popular/well recognized, and has been so for a longer time.

 

[WiFi]

I thought of a better name than "Smash for Switch". We can either call it SmVsh, or Sma5h. Anybody?

 

[Applebutter61]

Phantom Armor isn't too great either though.

I don't really know. But if true, then plz give a better zelda down b Sakurai.

 

[Cosmic77]

Phantom Armor isn't too great either though.

That's one flaw with Sakurai possibly using the BotW Zelda. She doesn't have any moves from that game that could replace her terrible Phantom Armor attack.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Phantom Armor isn't too great either though.

Bouncing fish definitely is though