Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigi The President]

They outright said that the Music Theory only applies to unique newcomers. Echoes are exempt.

Ah, Sakurai said that, right?
Oh wait, he didn't.
So I really couldn't care less what "they" say.

Because, unfortunately, Echoes break the pattern. Like it or not, they're newcomers too.
Could the Music Theory be true, still? Yeah, but it's very silly to act like Echoes are 100% exempt from this.

 

[WertQuadNine]

All posts from 4chan should be disregarded unless corroborated by an outside source. 5 pop up every day and are nonsense.

I think everyone agrees it probably nothing, but since he promised footage, may as well keep an eye out

 

[Aaron1997]

Probably nothing but this happened on twitter

THIS JUST IN
Shinji Hashimoto BREATHS ON Something Sora For Smash Related
Both communities go into a frenzy.....

FOR GOOD REASON

PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN! #Sora4Smash

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

There was a problem fetching the tweet

OH MY GOD HE DELETED THE TWEET
LOL

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

 

[Luigi The President]

Probably nothing but this happened on twitter

THIS JUST IN
Shinji Hashimoto BREATHS ON Something Sora For Smash Related
Both communities go into a frenzy.....

FOR GOOD REASON

PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN! #Sora4Smash

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

There was a problem fetching the tweet

OH MY GOD HE DELETED THE TWEET
LOL

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

Uh oh, you know what this says.

Seeing as NDA's exist.

 

[Deleted member]

Steve is gonna bring that RoA **** with stage manipulation and you can bet my ass I'll be playing as him.

 

[Nekoo]

Probably nothing but this happened on twitter

THIS JUST IN
Shinji Hashimoto BREATHS ON Something Sora For Smash Related
Both communities go into a frenzy.....

FOR GOOD REASON

PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN! #Sora4Smash

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

There was a problem fetching the tweet

OH MY GOD HE DELETED THE TWEET
LOL

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

No
****ing
Way

I don't think you guys realize how big this is.

 

[LetterO]

Probably nothing but this happened on twitter

THIS JUST IN
Shinji Hashimoto BREATHS ON Something Sora For Smash Related
Both communities go into a frenzy.....

FOR GOOD REASON

PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN! #Sora4Smash

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

There was a problem fetching the tweet

OH MY GOD HE DELETED THE TWEET
LOL

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

What if he deleted it so he wasn't spammed with people asking if Sora's in smash?

 

[Luigi The President]

No
****ing
Way

I don't think you guys realize how big this is.

Please do explain then?
I'm not seeing it.

Seems as big as Shantae's developers asking for her in Smash. And we know how that panned out.

 

[Union of Darkness]

Probably nothing but this happened on twitter

THIS JUST IN
Shinji Hashimoto BREATHS ON Something Sora For Smash Related
Both communities go into a frenzy.....

FOR GOOD REASON

PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN! #Sora4Smash

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

There was a problem fetching the tweet

OH MY GOD HE DELETED THE TWEET
LOL

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

If he signed an NDA I don't think he would slip up so easily. He probably misunderstood the question.

 

[Misery Brick]

Someone keep an eye and see if this guy actually pulls through.

Isn't the board archived though?
How would we know if any evidence even pops up?
I'm just going out on a limb and say that it's fake.

 

[WertQuadNine]

Probably nothing but this happened on twitter

THIS JUST IN
Shinji Hashimoto BREATHS ON Something Sora For Smash Related
Both communities go into a frenzy.....

FOR GOOD REASON

PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN! #Sora4Smash

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

There was a problem fetching the tweet

OH MY GOD HE DELETED THE TWEET
LOL

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

OH OH OH?????

Probably just him saying that'd be awesome, but still cool he acknowledged it!

 

[DevaAshera]

I don't want it to be fake... It's just that the music Theory has so much going for it, That Skull Kid kinda makes this leak fake for me...Zelda Already has a track up. so If Skull Kid were a Character, There probably wouldn't be a track up... I don't know I could be proven wrong but... yeah... I don't know... Also Rayman over Steve?

It's still circumstantial to me. It makes sense to show new characters with new music. Zelda likely has multiple new songs, though it's also possible there's no new Majora's Mask remix to show for Skull Kid.

Rayman is a more expressive and interesting character then Steve, who, if played true to his series, would look very, very boring in action..

 

[Will]

I don't think you guys realize how big this is.

Hold on.

Yeah, I just don't see it. It means nothing.

 

[RileyXY1]

It's still circumstantial to me. It makes sense to show new characters with new music. Zelda likely has multiple new songs, though it's also possible there's no new Majora's Mask remix to show for Skull Kid.

Rayman is a more expressive and interesting character then Steve, who, if played true to his series, would look very, very boring in action..

Yeah. Steve is very blocky and stiff and I don't think that it will translate well into Smash.

 

[TreeBranch]

I don't think we should jump to any conclusions here. If he was under NDA, he would not to say this. He could have deleted it to stop the hype.

 

[Q-Long]

Probably nothing but this happened on twitter

THIS JUST IN
Shinji Hashimoto BREATHS ON Something Sora For Smash Related
Both communities go into a frenzy.....

FOR GOOD REASON

PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN! #Sora4Smash

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

There was a problem fetching the tweet

OH MY GOD HE DELETED THE TWEET
LOL

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

I think he is messing with people lol

 

[LetterO]

Isn't the board archived though?
How would we know if any evidence even pops up?
I'm just going out on a limb and say that it's fake.

They could probably just start a new thread.

 

[Nekoo]

Seems as big as Shantae's developers asking for her in Smash. And we know how that panned out.

What if he deleted it so he wasn't spammed with people asking if Sora's in smash?

Well first... This is Square-Enix.
Not an Indie Developer... While it can be like Banjo-Kazoire and Phil...the difference is that well.

It's Square.
Also they already get spammed for sora4smash like Jesus. Get outside of Smash community and almost everything KH/Square related people beg for Sora in Smash.

Just the fact that he ACKNOWLEDGED it is already big. Especially knowing him.

If he signed an NDA I don't think he would slip up so easily. He probably misunderstood the question.

I don't think we should jump to any conclusions here. If he was under NDA, he would not to say this. He could have deleted it to stop the hype.

Yes and Yes.
That's 100% possible.
However Nothing stop him to do like Phil Spencer and just aknowledge it-
The fact that he Deleted it IS weird.

 

[Will]

Just the fact that he ACKNOWLEDGED it is already big. Especially knowing him.

Not really.
If any developer was asked if they wanted their IP in Smash, name a single person who would say no to the idea.

 

[Luigi The President]

Well first... This is Square-Enix.
Not an Indie Developer... While it can be like Banjo-Kazoire and Phil...the difference is that well.

It's Square.
Also they already get spammed for sora4smash like Jesus. Get outside of Smash community and almost everything KH/Square related people beg for Sora in Smash.

Just the fact that he ACKNOWLEDGED it is already big. Especially knowing him.





Yes and Yes.
That's 100% possible.
However Nothing stop him to do like Phil Spencer and just aknowledge it-
The fact that he Deleted it IS weird.

Doesn't really matter who it is. They're both companies who would be under NDA.

People beg for Banjo-Kazooie constantly. Hasn't happened. Probably won't happen, unfortunately.
I fail to see ANY difference beyond bias.

 

[Deleted member]

Not really.
If any developer was asked if they wanted their IP in Smash, name a single person who would say no to the idea.

Sega...at first.

That situation is not compatible to this Sora thing.

 

[Poopyhead]

i would squee if steve got in omg the reaction would be so great. i hope it's true just for the memes

Mod Edit: ...Slightly changed your message to make it more appropriate.

Poopyhead Edit: i've been straight choking for 20 minutes p*e is a curse word

 

[AlphaSSB]

If he was under a non-disclosure agreement, he wouldn't have said anything. I don't think he'd be forgetful about something like that.

My take on it: He saw the image, thought "Yes, Sora in Smash would be cool" and replied to it. Then realized he may have just kicked a hornet hype nest and deleted the tweet.

 

[Captain Fun]

IIRC Ko Takeuchi, the Rhythm Heaven/Wario Ware Illustrator guy once said on twitter that he'd love Ashley in Smash, and promptly deleted the tweet. Sometimes this stuff just happens.

 

[Chrono.]

i would squee if steve got in

Not living up to your name very well then.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Probably nothing but this happened on twitter

THIS JUST IN
Shinji Hashimoto BREATHS ON Something Sora For Smash Related
Both communities go into a frenzy.....

FOR GOOD REASON

PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN! #Sora4Smash

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

There was a problem fetching the tweet

OH MY GOD HE DELETED THE TWEET
LOL

— HMK (@HMKilla) September 20, 2018

Nope

That would have never made it out to the light

Sakurai even insisted to watch all smash stations like a hawk so nothing gets leak
(The only one to slip the crack so far is Vergeben trying to find his rat)

Besides that could just be fan art and it would have been deleted in milliseconds if real

 

[vaanrose]

Just a small pet peeve of mine, but an NDA is not a one-size-fits-all contract. They're specifically tailored to situation and what the NDA does and does not limit is different every time.

 

[MBRedboy31]

While extremely unlikely, it’d be amusing if there were a third party deal where part of the deal would be that the third party would break the NDA just to throw everyone off.

 

[Sharkarat]

So you know how whenever someone suggest cuts, they get a lot of flack for it? Well I've been thinking about how I would decide on cuts for a new Smash Bros game and what I would do differently then most people who suggest these lists tend to do. First of all, it'll be a priority list. Characters on the top of the list will be the first to be cut, characters lower on the list will be characters I'd be more hesitant to. I see cutting as more of a necessary evil then a way to "clean" the games roster of characters I don't personally care for as most people who suggest this sort of list seem to.

I'm keeping all echoes and Dr.Mario unless the character they are echoing is cut as well. Cutting them seems unnecessary.

- Young Link and Pichu have their fans, but most of them were pretty understanding when they weren't in Brawl. At the end of the day they are just a smaller Link and a smaller Pikachu.
- See above.
- Wii Fit Trainer has her charms in Smash, but her popularity never took off as a joke character the same way Mr.G&W or Duck Hunt did. She was fine as a one off thing, but I don't think many people would miss her.
- I'd hate to say it, but Lucas's fanbase is pretty niche. Nothing personal against the kid, it's just that the Mother series is already lucky to even have Ness.
- Even if Roy has been decloned a bit, even I won't deny there's an over saturation of FE characters in Smash. It was a toss up between him, Ike and Corrin, but ultimately I decided to cut the one who's least unique in move set and play style. I'd still be really sad to see him go though. Naturally no Roy also means no Chrom, unfortunately.
- Being a legendary member of the original 12 has given her plot armor so far, but let's be real here; even if she's still fairly popular in Japan she's not exactly necessary in anyway. Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, and Mewtwo basically have all of gen 1's bases covered, so Jiggs is just frosting on the cake.
- Another character who I'd hate to see go but would ultimately consider cutting anyway just because Kid Icarus sadly doesn't seem to have much of a future. I love Uprising to bits but I think that game's representation would still be fine even if it only had Pit.
- Greninja is popular, don't get me wrong, but whether it'll stand the test of time like Gen 1 mons or Lucario is still up in the air. I feel like it's the least recognizable of the admittedly strong Pokemon selection we currently have. Pokemon representation is already solid and I wouldn't be bothered too heavily to let one more guy go but of course I'm heavily biased in Ivysaur's favor.
- Now this is one I'd be heavily conflicted on cutting. It's really novel being able to play as Mr.Rodgers, Abraham Lincoln or Star Butterfly, but these guys seem like a little bit of a pain to develop for because they're essentially three different characters. Even if they borrow several moves from other members of the roster, they still more resource heavy then what they're worth. Maybe they'd be more popular if they were allowed online and at tournaments though, so we'll see if more people play in them in Ultimate.
- I really love what a unique character ROB is and what he brings to the table with his playstyle, but just like Wii Fit Trainer, I don't think the fanbase will mourn his loss too heavily. But perhaps I'm just being heartless in suggesting that we kill off the last of a dying race.


If I were the dev, I might give the old Doctor Mario treatment and make a few more tweaks so she's just barely outside of clone status. I don't think she's needs to be a full-fledged unique character but a lot of her fans don't seem fully satisfied with her echo status, so may as well throw them a bone.


Now I know this topic can be touchy, so feel free to start roasting me for suggesting that ROB is more important then Roy and Jiggles.

I feel your list favors good characters a little too much.
I feel pretty much all retros are cutable under your description. Corrin could probably also be added to the list.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

This seems really petty and childish.

...Okay?

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here by responding to me with that. If you're looking for a fight, well, that isn't really my thing. I'm not gonna spend hours convincing you that Steve is the bestest best thing in the world. You can have your opinion on him, and I'll have mine. I'm sorry he seems to cause you such distress that you feel the need to make other people feel miserable and not enjoy the game. I guess people aren't allowed to like characters or games anymore.

At this point, I will be excited for any character to be honest. I got my most wanted character (Snake). Everything else is just dessert. I will play Bayonetta vs any character that is suppose to be a joke (jigglypuff/ pichu/ Zelda etc.) or meme and I am very harsh on beginners in Smash to let them know what they're getting themselves into; so I pick Bayonetta. I will weed out people who are better suited for Casual Smash. My entire college is competitive players. There is no point in doing casual play because we destroy any casual that tries to play with us in a casual setting (we're just naturally good sorry). Don't be going on For Glory (and hopefully a ranking mode) and expect any sympathy from me as I will definitely pick top tiers in general. I only taunt vs people who do basic crap like roll spamming / air-dodge spamming and massive camping.

I will play Steve if he was top tier for example; . My loyalty follows the tier list (yes I'm one of these type of people and isn't afraid of admitting it, how about you?)

I currently play [/QUOTE]

 

[MainJPW]

I'm glad I know some Japanese cause I've tweeted at him and survived

It was on one of his "insect" call out tweets and I said it was funny haha.

I will learn a whole new language just so I don't have to be considered a brainless insect.

Nope

That would have never made it out to the light

Sakurai even insisted to watch all smash stations like a hawk so nothing gets leak
(The only one to slip the crack so far is Vergeben trying to find his rat)

Besides that could just be fan art and it would have been deleted in milliseconds if real

What are you talking about? This isn't about the fanart, it's about Hashimoto acknowledging that tweet.

 

[Driver Of The Aegis]

That's what happens when you quote a post that is over two years old.

Haha

 

[TheCJBrine]

Zelda likely has multiple new songs, though it's also possible there's no new Majora's Mask remix to show for Skull Kid.

Termina Field

his character trailer could be a Majora's Mask medley (pls Sakurai's team)

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I will learn a whole new language just so I don't have to be considered a brainless insect.

What are you talking about? This isn't about the fanart, it's about Hashimoto acknowledging that tweet.

Oh I see that means he supports Sora in smash bros

However that Walt Disney roadblock is still too big in my opinion

 

[Rie Sonomura]

is today’s fighter

 

[LetterO]

At this point, I will be excited for any character to be honest. I got my most wanted character (Snake). Everything else is just dessert. I will play Bayonetta vs any character that is suppose to be a joke (jigglypuff/ pichu/ Zelda etc.) or meme and I am very harsh on beginners in Smash to let them know what they're getting themselves into; so I pick Bayonetta. I will weed out people who are better suited for Casual Smash. My entire college is competitive players. There is no point in doing casual play because we destroy any casual that tries to play with us in a casual setting (we're just naturally good sorry). Don't be going on For Glory (and hopefully a ranking mode) and expect any sympathy from me as I will definitely pick top tiers in general. I only taunt vs people who do basic crap like roll spamming / air-dodge spamming and massive camping.

I will play Steve if he was top tier for example; . My loyalty follows the tier list (yes I'm one of these type of people and isn't afraid of admitting it, how about you?)

I currently play

You realize alot of players may be kids, yes? Kids that are trying to have a good time and not being endlessly destroyed by people to "weed out people who are best suited for Casual Smash".

 

[Aurane]

I would advise keeping a level head about the whole thing.

 

[Will]

At this point, I will be excited for any character to be honest. I got my most wanted character (Snake). Everything else is just dessert. I will play Bayonetta vs any character that is suppose to be a joke (jigglypuff/ pichu/ Zelda etc.) or meme and I am very harsh on beginners in Smash to let them know what they're getting themselves into; so I pick Bayonetta. I will weed out people who are better suited for Casual Smash. My entire college is competitive players. There is no point in doing casual play because we destroy any casual that tries to play with us in a casual setting (we're just naturally good sorry). Don't be going on For Glory (and hopefully a ranking mode) and expect any sympathy from me as I will definitely pick top tiers in general. I only taunt vs people who do basic crap like roll spamming / air-dodge spamming and massive camping.

So what you're trying to say is

 

[Deleted member]

is today’s fighter

Surprised it took so long to get to Pikachu of all characters. They've talked about every member of the Pikachu line before covering Pikachu itself.

 

[-crump-]

Minecraft Steve getting in would be the day every Smash-themed website faced a collective meltdown. Oaths would be sworn, blood would run trough the streets, preorders would be cancelled (but not really)... truly, he would be a harbinger of the apocalypse.

And I, for one, would find it all hilarious. I’m not a fan of Minecraft, I think there are a ton of better options, but all in all, I would find it so stupid it would wrap around to being great. I still don’t trust Verge, and I certainly don’t trust this new guy, but I aaaaaaaaalmost want to see this happen.