Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

I think Andross is the most interesting character in Starfox. I'd love to see him playable.

They would definitely have to shrink him like they did with Ridley. He'd be interesting to play honestly. A head and hands floating.

 

[Sharkarat]

The thing with Star Fox is that the spacey moveset is made up to begin with; none of it really draws from any Star Fox game, which is almost always spent in the cockpit of an Arwing.

You could make a new gadget-intensive moveset for Slippy or Peppy. You could give Krystal her staff. You could give Panther Caroso a new moveset based around a Zorro-like panther since that's basically what the character is. You can do anything you want, but you're also hindered by-- Krystal aside-- not having any inspiration to draw from. You're just making **** up.

Which works great for unrepresented series and very important characters. But doing it to decently represented characters with all important characters it just feels like a bias in favor of that series. Like most of the "making **** up" movesets are for the first and/or only characters of that series, with the exception of Zelda/Sheik and Zero Suit Samus.

 

[Chumpodile]

I think Andross is the most interesting character in Starfox. I'd love to see him playable.

As a humanoid or as a giant head

 

[pupNapoleon]

As a humanoid or as a giant head

As a giant head. A humanoid would not feel like Andross, despite it having happened on an occasion.

 

[MainJPW]

W-What does this mean?!

I-it must mean they're getting spammed..!

 

[Deleted member]

This thread moves super fast and I was just floating around the internet when I came across a post on gamefaqs about a Smashboards/Prima leak. Can anyone tell me
a) What this leak is? (the threads were all talking about it, but not mentioning what it consisted of clearly)
b) How legitimate it looks

 

[pupNapoleon]

Wow, some good ideas in there, but you got almost everything wrong

That's what happens when you quote a post that is over two years old.

 

[Untouch]

W-What does this mean?!

It means both those companies have blocked that account.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

This thread moves super fast and I was just floating around the internet when I came across a post on gamefaqs about a Smashboards/Prima leak. Can anyone tell me
a) What this leak is? (the threads were all talking about it, but not mentioning what it consisted of clearly)
b) How legitimate it looks

I found out it was fake when browsing Fireden for leaks. The guy admitted it was fake and said his birthday should have been a hint. Lemme see if I can find it again

Here ya go

 

[Pakky]

They would definitely have to shrink him like they did with Ridley. He'd be interesting to play honestly. A head and hands floating.

http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Andross

He does have a body

 

[Michael the Spikester]

He does have a body

I see...

I still think a head and floating hands would make him a much more unique fighter tbh though.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Why is a random twitter user being blocked of any interest to so many on this thread?

 

[Deleted member]

http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Andross

He does have a body

That is literally a cloak covering a mess of wires.
Not any real "body".


Why people keep pointing to that to say "Look! Andross has a body gaiz!" I will never know.

 

[RileyXY1]

Why is a random twitter user being blocked of any interest to so many on this thread?

That was an account advocating for Agumon (from Digimon) to join Smash, and the accounts who blocked that account belong to Namco Bandai and Nintendo.

 

[Pakky]

That is literally a cloak covering a mess of wires.
Not any real "body".


Why people keep pointing to that to say "Look! Andross has a body gaiz!" I will never know.

My bad, I didn't know.

My poor research is showing, noooooo!

 

[Exalt4747]

That is literally a cloak covering a mess of wires.
Not any real "body".


Why people keep pointing to that to say "Look! Andross has a body gaiz!" I will never know.

I've been waiting for you, Golden. You know that I have a body. It's foolish to argue against it. You will die just like Ashley and Shovel Knight.

 

[pupNapoleon]

That was an account advocating for Agumon (from Digimon) to join Smash, and the accounts who blocked that account belong to Namco Bandai and Nintendo.

I understand what happened (but thanks), what I dont understand is why that matters

 

[CaptainAmerica]

We also have to remember, though, that echoes only get in because they're much easier to make.

Dark Samus is only in because we already had Samus. Chrom and Lucina-- and even Roy-- are only in because we have Marth. If we count unique movesets, Kirby is only overshadowed by Mario, Pokemon, Zelda and Fire Emblem.

Not saying Kirby shouldn't have a fourth character at all. But in terms of padding the game's representation with echoes, who would be a good echo for Kirby, Dedede or Metaknight?

EDIT: Zelda only actually has three unique movesets. Duh.

Interesting thought...how is the character representation by series?

Here's a table, sorted by unique/semi-clone/echo for each series. It’s organized in that order; ties are broken by which hit the representation first.

I’m also on my phone so I hope the formatting is okay. The first two series bork my table alignment. Let’s just say it’s decently obvious which series gets the most love here...

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Single representative only:

 

[DarkFalcon]

Why is a random twitter user being blocked of any interest to so many on this thread?

I don't think anyone here cares really. Not sure why it was even posted.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That is literally a cloak covering a mess of wires.
Not any real "body".


Why people keep pointing to that to say "Look! Andross has a body gaiz!" I will never know.

If he's got a nephew he must have family and I can't imagine him being born a head with floating hands

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't think anyone here cares really. Not sure why it was even posted.

It's just someone trying to make Agumon seem more likely to join the roster.

 

[Michele]

N-N-No way!

I managed to post '.' as tweet to Nintendo....!! He tried the same and couldn't.....

He has been BLOCKED! I cant believe Nintendo would resort to blocking too!

 

[Knight Dude]

Was Dillion's Asssist Trophy ever shown? If not, he could be someone people haven't been paying much attention to.

Also, R.I.P Custom Robo.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Was Dillion's Asssist Trophy ever shown? If not, he could be someone people haven't been paying much attention to.

Also, R.I.P Custom Robo.

I know! But it's Shadow's missing trophy that everyone wants to focus on

 

[AlphaSSB]

I'm not trying to start any kind of fights or anything, but does Star Fox really have that many options? I feel like the majority of its characters -- and I mean a VERY large quantity -- would just lend themselves to fighting like Fox, unless we did something like specify Star Fox Adventures Krystal or took some next level creative liberties with Andross. I mean I'd be down for new Star Fox characters as much as the next person but I don't think the cast is all that diverse for smash viability.

What I feel is often overlooked is how much untapped moveset potential the series has to offer. Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox: Assault, Star Fox Zero, and Star Fox Guard all offer a ton of material for potential movesets.

Krystal would likely have a moveset based entirely off of Star Fox Adventures, making use of the staff. The staff was the focus of gameplay in Adventures, being used both in combat, and to move about the world. The abilities in the game can be easily brought over into Smash, and would fit in quite well. I made a moveset for Krystal a few months back based around the staff, if you're interested in learning more.

Slippy on the otherhand could pull from Star Fox: Assault, Star Fox Zero, and Star Fox Guard. Assault features many gadgets and weapons that'd be useful standard attacks, Star Fox Zero features a few things that'd make for specials or a Final Smash, and Star Fox Guard offers the AegisCam sentries that could potentially be the focus of his moveset. Plus, he's the team's mechanic, so use of tools would make a lot of sense for him as well. I also made a moveset for him that focuses on all three games.

Take these two and their potential in contrast to when Fox was made in Smash 64. Back then, there wasn't too much to go by, so Sakruai improvised. You could argue that some of his moves are reminiscent of the Arwing's abilities in Star Fox 64, such as his reflector being similar in function to the barrel roll, or Fox Illusion similar to the boost. Otherwise, his moveset is an original creation.

 

[MainJPW]

N-N-No way!

I managed to post '.' as tweet to Nintendo....!! He tried the same and couldn't.....

He has been BLOCKED! I cant believe Nintendo would resort to blocking too!

Did you think only Kamiya blocked people or something?

 

[Chrono.]

I know! But it's Shadow's missing trophy that everyone wants to focus on

Cause he's Shadow the ****ing Hedgehog, the Ultimate Lifeform.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The only other StarFox rep I could see realistically making it in is Leon. He could be to Falco as Wolf is to Fox. Opposites like how Dark Pit and hopefully Medusa could be to Pit and Palutena. Perfectly balanced.

Leon's unlikely but thought I'd just throw in the idea was all.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Which works great for unrepresented series and very important characters. But doing it to decently represented characters with all important characters it just feels like a bias in favor of that series. Like most of the "making **** up" movesets are for the first and/or only characters of that series, with the exception of Zelda/Sheik and Zero Suit Samus.

Sure, but luckily Star Fox is small enough that it doesn't have too much in the way of characters people would want in Smash. I mean, you don't see people clamor for Tricky, General Scales, the Anglar Emperor, or even those one-off female characters in Command.

At most, I can see Leon and maybe Miyu (if they're still avoiding Krystal but want a female character anyway) make it in the future, if there's enough support. But we'll see what happens years from now.

 

[Angelglory]

Not sure if anybody pointed this out (and honestly I'm too lazy to go through all of the pages to see) but Vergeben commented on reddit a couple hours ago about somebody else by the tag of Senjougahara__Hitagi that mentioned Ultimate rumors, saying he thinks they're legit. This guy hasn't really claimed anything really different outside of the Minecraft representation actually including a playable character.

Here's a link to the comment thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm..._just_announced_in/e69q1et/?context=8&depth=9

 

[Deleted member]

If he's got a nephew he must have family and I can't imagine him being born a head with floating hands

That does nothing to counter the fact that the pic is post experiments that made him a giant monkey head with hands.

 

[Pakky]

I know! But it's Shadow's missing trophy that everyone wants to focus on

Guff Huff, What about Eggman?

Its crazy that no one talks about him, other than being a boss.

Which is feasible but the least desirable option for how large of a character he is.

Bio Lizard though that's a good boss.

 

[PsySmasher]

Was Dillion's Asssist Trophy ever shown? If not, he could be someone people haven't been paying much attention to.

Also, R.I.P Custom Robo.

I don't think Dillon was ever shown off as an Assist. So yes, there is chance for him being playable... just not a very high one.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Did anyone notice the Prima Leakers birthday is April 1st?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Saki also has yet to be shown off as an Assist Trophy. I wonder when he'll be shown off?

 

[MainJPW]

I know! But it's Shadow's missing trophy that everyone wants to focus on

Sonic will be receiving two echo fighters: Shadow and Dillion.

Dillion, however, will have his proportions altered to better match Sonics animations.

 

[Knight Dude]

Cause he's Shadow the ****ing Hedgehog, the Ultimate Lifeform.

Cars is the better Ultimate Lifeform. And he's the weakest JoJo Villain in terms of character.

I know! But it's Shadow's missing trophy that everyone wants to focus on

If he hasn't actually been shown off, he could still have a chance. I'd be interested if any of his Tower Defense elements are placed into his moveset. Just scale down the constructions and have them act like turrets.

 

[Deleted member]

For anyone else feel like Smash is running out of Nintendo content to choose from?

 

[Exalt4747]

Sonic will be receiving two echo fighters: Shadow and Dillion.

Dillion, however, will have his proportions altered to better match Sonics animations.

...surely Dillon as a Sonic variation would not happen over Tails?

 

[Michele]

In the name of Sakurai, I claim the 4800th page!

Did you think only Kamiya blocked people or something?

Well, no, but...Usually in my experience companies just ignore the tweets and doesn't block at all.