Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mr. Game + Watch]

Nope, not yet... He claimed that they will likely be up by Friday...

I forgot today is thursday

 

[Nekoo]

But notice X Super Mario is not the same as X Super Mario RPG

You...Kinda failed to see my point. What I mean is tha-

It also explicitly states KIU instead of just Kid Icarus.

Yeah this exactly. When it's something taken from a certain game it specify what game it is. Just like Kid Icarus Uprising instead of Just Kid Icarus. Doesn't means it's a new series or whatever-

 

[Pakky]

Nope, not yet... He claimed that they will likely be up by Friday...

I think he's a big fat phony that waddles down stairs sideways...

Who would release non-disclosed video?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I think he's a big fat phony that waddles down stairs sideways...

Who would release non-disclosed video?

Uhh... The ESRB guy?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Can I just point out that whoever the Gen 7 Pokemon is, Inceneroar or otherwise, we will have 10 Pokemon in Ultimate. ****ing 10. That's insane.

Yes, I'm including the 3 Pokemon in Pokemon Trainer because, yes, they count. Them missing Down B doesn't make them any less of a character.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Can I just point out that whoever the Gen 7 Pokemon is, Inceneroar or otherwise, we will have 10 Pokemon in Ultimate. ****ing 10. That's insane.

Yes, I'm including the 3 Pokemon in Pokemon Trainer because, yes, they count. Them missing Down B doesn't make them any less of a character.

Assuming how big Pokemon is... I'm pretty sure it's justified

 

[Kuon]

Uhh... The ESRB guy?

And he got sued by Nintendo. Does this guy want the same to happen to him?

 

[SlickWylde]

Yeah just ignore that leaker. He would have revealed stuff right away. People don't get something like that and then go "And now I'll wait 3 days to actually show proof."
2 possibilities:
1. He's just trying to keep the attention on himself for a few days and then will go "Lol I'm such a troll" on Friday
2. He's actually trying to make fake pictures.

No other explanation really makes any sense IMO.

 

[osby]

That one actually has a basis in the DK games though, with the DK barrels or DK's necktie. I just find it odd that they made Cloud have a generic FF icon when everything, both in-game and out, only makes reference to Final Fantasy VII. Licensing's fun. Street Fighter's a little more excusable, sense the series doesn't really have a lot of things that work as an icon, but the punch button icon could've worked. Still not terrible though.

And then we have Snake, who's icon got changed likely because of copyright and not wanting to acknowledge Kojima or something

Eh, I kinda understand that. If they didn't use FF, the alternative is... METEOR?

 

[Pakky]

Uhh... The ESRB guy?

Yeah but he got sued didn't he? Who would do that again?

 

[Deleted member]

No other explanation really makes any sense IMO.

I dunno, if he says on Friday, "my videos crumbled to dust but they had Gothitelle in them," I'd believe him.

 

[Q-Long]

FF icon should have been cactaur. I love cactaur lol

Realistically maybe moogle would have worked or chocobo , idk

 

[Deleted member]

Eh, I kinda understand that. If they didn't use FF, the alternative is... METEOR?

Yeah, just use the meteor from the Final Fantasy VII logo sense that's the only game you're taking stuff from. Except they probably weren't allowed to, so FF it is!

It's still better than a square regardless.

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno, if he says on Friday, "my videos crumbled to dust but they had Gothitelle in them," I'd believe him.

We don't need a video of Gothitelle being in; we already know she's in.

 

[Primal Cookie]

If/when Xenoblade gets a second rep, I’d like them to change the icon to an X (or something else but I can’t think of anything) instead of the Monado. It would honestly annoy me so much if Rex/Pyra or Elma win and you see a giant Monado show up at the start of the victory animation.

 

[DevaAshera]

That one actually has a basis in the DK games though, with the DK barrels or DK's necktie. I just find it odd that they made Cloud have a generic FF icon when everything, both in-game and out, only makes reference to Final Fantasy VII. Licensing's fun. Street Fighter's a little more excusable, sense the series doesn't really have a lot of things that work as an icon, but the punch button icon could've worked. Still not terrible though.

And then we have Snake, whose icon got changed likely because of copyright and not wanting to acknowledge Kojima or something

They probably used FF because the Final Fantasy font is instantly recognizable and the VII Meteor would need to be resized a lot or cut off like the Monado icon. It also works if they end up adding more Final Fantasy characters in the future.

As for Street Fighter, even if the exact design changes, it's still instantly recognizable and, like you said, not much to work with for an icon. The punch button icon doesn't work as much, it's not instantly recognizable and is fairly generic.

If/when Xenoblade gets a second rep, I’d like them to change the icon to an X (or something else but I can’t think of anything) instead of the Monado. It would honestly annoy me so much if Rex/Pyra or Elma win and you see a giant Monado show up at the start of the victory animation.

It still kinda works since the Monado is the iconic weapon wielded by the first protagonist, kind of like how Fire Emblem's icon is Marth's Falchion...now if they still used Shulk's victory music..that'd be another story..

 

[PsySmasher]

Can I just point out that whoever the Gen 7 Pokemon is, Inceneroar or otherwise, we will have 10 Pokemon in Ultimate. ****ing 10. That's insane.

Yes, I'm including the 3 Pokemon in Pokemon Trainer because, yes, they count. Them missing Down B doesn't make them any less of a character.

Honestly, the only reason that were getting 9-10 Pokemon in the base roster is because of "EVERYONE IS HERE". 3 of the 7 cut veterans that were brought back are Pokemon.

But if any franchise has enough diversity to get 10 reps, with the vast majority of them being unique, it's Pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

They probably used FF because the Final Fantasy font is instantly recognizable and the VII Meteor would need to be resized a lot or cut off like the Monado icon. It also works if they end up adding more Final Fantasy characters in the future.

And in the event they ever wanted to use another FF character, but not from 7, the Meteor logo wouldn't work. Chances are another FF rep would probably be Sephiroth though since he's the 2nd most recognizable; if not more recognizable than Cloud himself. Also he was voiced by a Backstreet Boy.

EDIT: Sorry, NSYNC. I mix the two of them up; was never into them when they were around and they were both popular boy bands, so they were interchangeable in my eyes lol.

 

[Deleted member]

If/when Xenoblade gets a second rep, I’d like them to change the icon to an X (or something else but I can’t think of anything) instead of the Monado. It would honestly annoy me so much if Rex/Pyra or Elma win and you see a giant Monado show up at the start of the victory animation.

I wouldn't mind because canonically it sorta makes sense. Y'know, because big spoiler reasons for both Xenoblade 1 and 2.

 

[Deleted member]

If/when Xenoblade gets a second rep, I’d like them to change the icon to an X (or something else but I can’t think of anything) instead of the Monado. It would honestly annoy me so much if Rex/Pyra or Elma win and you see a giant Monado show up at the start of the victory animation.

Please no. It's not like that's unheard of in Smash. The EarthBound victory theme is from Mother 1's title screen, and neither playable character is from that game. The Fire Emblem icon is meant to be the Falchion, and Solid Snake was never a member of FOX Unit.

Think about it this way, Elma wins and you see Lin's hairpin.

And in the event they ever wanted to use another FF character, but not from 7, the Meteor logo wouldn't work. Chances are another FF rep would probably be Sephiroth though since he's the 2nd most recognizable; if not more recognizable than Cloud himself. Also he was voiced by a Backstreet Boy.

EDIT: Sorry, NSYNC. I mix the two of them up; was never into them when they were around and they were both popular boy bands, so they were interchangeable in my eyes lol.

Sephiroth is still from FFVII.

 

[Pakky]

That's why most leaks are fake how is he NOT in?

Or her for that matter.

 

[NextChannelGames]

The only thing i NEED to know right now is...

Where do i buy the tickets for the smash ballet? I need to see that stuff...

I know right! Smash Ballet will be amazing xD

(I meant to say Ballot not Ballet lol)

 

[DevaAshera]

And in the event they ever wanted to use another FF character, but not from 7, the Meteor logo wouldn't work. Chances are another FF rep would probably be Sephiroth though since he's the 2nd most recognizable; if not more recognizable than Cloud himself. Also he was voiced by a Backstreet Boy.

EDIT: Sorry, NSYNC. I mix the two of them up; was never into them when they were around and they were both popular boy bands, so they were interchangeable in my eyes lol.

Maybe, I could see Sakurai wanting to spread out representation more and include Terra or Noctis.

And Sephiroth's current voice actor since Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts II is Superman from the Superman and Justice League animated series.

 

[Deleted member]

Please no. It's not like that's unheard of in Smash. The EarthBound victory theme is from Mother 1's title screen, and neither playable character is from that game. The Fire Emblem icon is meant to be the Falchion, and Solid Snake was never a member of FOX Unit.

Think about it this way, Elma wins and you see Lin's hairpin.


Sephiroth is still from FFVII.

I know, that's why I said that chances are it would be him though; I kinda meant it as 'maybe the meteor logo wouldn't matter since the next likely rep would probably be Sephiroth anyway'.

Maybe, I could see Sakurai wanting to spread out representation more and include Terra or Noctis.

And Sephiroth's current voice actor since Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts II is Superman from the Superman and Justice League animated series.

Tim Daly is Sephiroth, Superman, and Nooj from FFX-2? Pretty good at playing both sides it seems. His Nooj portrayal sounded kinda bland though; almost like he was bored lol.

 

[Q-Long]

I want Black Mage, Ramza or Onion Knight if they add a second FF personally

 

[Deleted member]

That's why most leaks are fake how is he NOT in?

Or her for that matter.

Say it with me everyone;

"The absence of a character does not make a leak fake."

 

[ZephyrZ]

So imagine that a New Smash Brothers game came out. However, it only had the original 12 as playable fighters - although to balance this out they all have cool new animations. Furthermore, just like in the original Smash 64, there are no side specials. It has stunning graphics and a single player campaign that is incredibly easy but also kind of fun. However, there is a new, very simple minigame that takes up a good chunk of the the single player gameplay. There is an online mode, but you can only play with friends, so no random matches. Even if this game has a lot of good things going for it as well, wouldn't you guys still be upset? This hypothetical game would come in two versions called Super Smash Brothers: Let's Go, Mario! and Let's Go, Link!

I'm sorry, I have been up literally all night and haven't been able to fall asleep yet, so I'm a weird mix of jittery and cranky right now. I'm just really salty about Let's Go because there's so many things about those games that I want to enjoy that I know will be ruined for me by everything else. It's like FE: Revelations all over again, except that I actually caved and bought Revelations only to regret it not long afterwards. I love the idea of having an Eevee standing on my trainer's header or riding around on an Arcanine or Charizard, but I'm certain everything else about the game will just ruin my enjoyment of it. I love the Kanto region, so it really hurts me to skip out on this game, but I know it'll just hurt me even more if I do give in and buy it. I already made that mistake with FE Fates: Revelations. I'm glad Ultimate is coming out in less then a month after Let's Go releases so that I can have a distraction to help keep me from giving into temptation.

I hope I'm able to fall asleep soon.

 

[Pakky]

Say it with me everyone;

"The absence of a character does not make a leak fake."

You're right.

However!

Then is the opposite true until proven otherwise?

 

[Primal Cookie]

Please no. It's not like that's unheard of in Smash. The EarthBound victory theme is from Mother 1's title screen, and neither playable character is from that game. The Fire Emblem icon is meant to be the Falchion, and Solid Snake was never a member of FOX Unit.

I get that it has precedent, but to be perfectly honest almost all of those bother me as well. Maybe I’m just strange.

 

[PsySmasher]

Say it with me everyone;

"The absence of a character does not make a leak fake."

You're right.

However!

Then is the opposite true until proven otherwise?

I've said this before and I'll say it again:

Your observation isn't true until someone with tangible evidence beyond some form of assumption, proves it true.

 

[Sharkarat]

Going back to the topic Mach Rider, I've never seen or heard about the magazine poster or the unused Captain Rainbow content, how did you even find that.

 

[staindgrey]

You're right.

However!

Then is the opposite true until proven otherwise?

No leak is proven true until officially announced by Nintendo. Even the very convincing ones.

Still, there are tiers of believability, ranging from "supported by evidence we can all see" to "a text leak on 4chan that claims Vault Boy is in".

 

[Deleted member]

I get that it has precedent, but to be perfectly honest almost all of those bother me as well. Maybe I’m just strange.

Nah, it makes sense. I'd just rather not have the Xenoblade icon changed because the only game I've played so far that matters is the first one.

 

[Cosmic77]

Can I just point out that whoever the Gen 7 Pokemon is, Inceneroar or otherwise, we will have 10 Pokemon in Ultimate. ****ing 10. That's insane.

Yes, I'm including the 3 Pokemon in Pokemon Trainer because, yes, they count. Them missing Down B doesn't make them any less of a character.

Honestly, I think it's even more surreal that Metroid, the series that only has, like, two or three characters besides Samus who could legitimately work in Smash, got to four reps before Kirby, Star Fox, and DK - franchises that have plenty of options.

 

[The_Naraotor]

Anything new of interesting comes up ?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I'm not saying there are no Isaac supporters who act out of order, I'm sure there are somewhere, just that I've never had a bad experience with an Isaac supporter myself. Which is impressive yes, considering how long they've been around.

They're in a weird spot where they're rooting for the return of a game series slightly more than the character itself.

The majority definitely mastered the ways of the patient arts

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That's why most leaks are fake how is he NOT in?

Or her for that matter.

Why does Elma look like a human version of Grumpy Cat?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Say it with me everyone;

"The absence of a character does not make a leak fake."

Unless it's a character already in that game like that CSS leak that forgot ROB

 

[staindgrey]

I'm just really salty about Let's Go because there's so many things about those games that I want to enjoy that I know will be ruined for me by everything else. It's like FE: Revelations all over again, except that I actually caved and bought Revelations only to regret it not long afterwards. I love the idea of having an Eevee standing on my trainer's header or riding around on an Arcanine or Charizard, but I'm certain everything else about the game will just ruin my enjoyment of it. I love the Kanto region, so it really hurts me to skip out on this game, but I know it'll just hurt me even more if I do give in and buy it. I already made that mistake with FE Fates: Revelations. I'm glad Ultimate is coming out in less then a month after Let's Go releases so that I can have a distraction to help keep me from giving into temptation.

I hope I'm able to fall asleep soon.

Here's what I would do, totally being real here:

When the game inevitably drops in price due to the backlash it'll likely receive from Pokemon fans who are dissatisfied with it, pick it up on sale, used, when you run out of other things to play. Then breeze through it to enjoy the things you like-- an HD Kanto, Eevee on your head, etc.-- without feeling like you wasted money on the stuff you didn't. Since it's so simple, you can enjoy just getting the pokemon you want and having something easy to do while you wait for the next real pokemon game to come out-- then sell Let's Go to help pay for it.

The price you pay for a game totally has a considerable effect on your expectations.

 

[Pakky]

Honestly, I think it's even more surreal that Metroid, the series that only has, like, two or three characters besides Samus who could legitimately work in Smash, got to four reps before Kirby, Star Fox, and DK - franchises that have plenty of options.

That's what bugs me out.

I came in thinking.

"Okay of my three I might get cuz those costumes must mean something but BWD will be in for sure"

Now I got back to back which is wild(and had me in tears) but its a weird feeling not to have BWD when it felt so assured.