Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PsychoIncarnate]

I have no idea if any of the foreign words are misspelled but none of the English words on the box are wrong

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Sorry I've been out of the loop. Is Vergeben now confident that the Pokémon character is Incineroar?

Yes, he is. He stated that this morning, and doubled down (or tripled down) on Ken.

He then elaborated on a few other things:
- he can't prove or disprove the box theory
- He confirmed he's only heard that the SE character is in from one source
- Overall, he was going to ask more questions in regards to everything to connect more dots

 

[Pyra]

At the bottom, the French word 'Jue' is a typo. ' It should be Jeu' which is French for 'Game'.
This is clearly a mock up.

Oh goodness, another flood gate has opened for the handful of people here into that kind of thing

 

[Murlough]

At least number order is an order.


Because people are uncultured swine who don't want the obvious choice for a new Zelda character to be playable.

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Not super relevant but this reminded me: Why does Linkle have like no support to be in Smash?

Following trends I'd expect a much larger fanbase than she has.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

At the bottom, the French word 'Jue' is a typo. ' It should be Jeu' which is French for 'Game'.
This is clearly a mock up.

We've known it's a mock up

Edit: In fact, the box is 100% digitally created

 

[AugustusB]

I have no idea if any of the foreign words are misspelled but none of the English words on the box are wrong

As true as that is, I just found it odd is all.
Perhaps its nothing, but always good to point it out.

 

[Deleted member]

At least number order is an order.

Well now you're just being too generous

At the bottom, the French word 'Jue' is a typo. ' It should be Jeu' which is French for 'Game'.
This is clearly a mock up.

We've had worse cases of misprints before tbh

 

[Deleted member]

We've known it's a mock up

Edit: In fact, the box is 100% digitally created

So is it actually a leaked render? Is The Box playable?

 

[Pyra]

As true as that is, I just found it odd is all.
Perhaps its nothing, but always good to point it out.

It most certainly means nothing.
It literally only implies that the box isn't the final version, which people already know.

The only difference is the degree some people run with that fact haha

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

At the bottom, the French word 'Jue' is a typo. ' It should be Jeu' which is French for 'Game'.
This is clearly a mock up.

While this is a good find, the problem is not that it's just a mockup. It clearly is. The problem is the very specific pattern on the sides. I'm not sure if what you're getting at is that the entire thing is incomplete, but I would still say the concern is not the image itself, but the thought process behind it as a whole.

 

[Pyra]

So is it actually a leaked render? Is The Box playable?

Hard counter to Snake.

 

[UberMadman]

We've known it's a mock up

Edit: In fact, the box is 100% digitally created

Exactly. The question isn’t whether or not it’s a mock-up, the question is whether or not it’s a mock-up made with the full roster in mind.

 

[Mr. Trumo]

So I was staring at the box and has it been brought up that there is a typo on it?

We've been missing out on the real box topics.

 

[AugustusB]

Hard counter to Snake.

The Box works for the Patriots!

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

real talk tho where's the icon

 

[Nethermoosen]

While this is a good find, the problem is not that it's just a mockup. It clearly is. The problem is the very specific pattern on the sides. I'm not sure if what you're getting at is that the entire thing is incomplete, but I would still say the concern is not the image itself, but the thought process behind it as a whole.

Which loses all weight the moment anything disproves there is an echo on the other side. Just to clarify for you.

If it wasn’t for the possible echo space at the bottom of the other side as divined by the pattern, none of this would matter.

 

[Pyra]

real talk tho where's the icon

Not on the box, that's for sure.

 

[SirCamp]

We'll find out soon enough if the box theory holds weight. But if I had to comment now I would say that I suspect it is untrue.

I think there are enough potential situations where the mock up doesn't hold true in the way people assume (characters could appear elsewhere on the box, some just might not show up, the design may just be temporary for display purposes), that I wouldn't be comfortable basing a theory on it right now and just assuming that its correct. It might be, but it certainly isn't definitive.

And, while this is entirely speculation, it would be very odd to me. Because that would imply that for two months and three weeks we are going to get two more reveals, with one of them being an echo. I would expect reveals to either come at the same rate that they have been, or if anything actually ramp up as release comes ever closer. Marketing almost certainly wants to build hype leading up to release, not let it taper off at all. Now before you say anything, yes of course many, many people will be buying the game regardless, but you have to consider the casual fanbase as well who are not terribly well represented here. Marketing is still a big concern, even for massive titles like Smash.

Also I know people have been comparing the CoroCoro stage number leak (speaking of which anything new on that? I haven't popped in here in a bit) to the box theory and noticing that people are assessing them differently. While I'm not going to deny that there is almost certainly a level of confirmation bias here, I do think it is worth mentioning that the leaks are also a bit different. CoroCoro is, while possibly wrong, at least explicit in its meaning. The box leak on the other hand is implicit. We are extrapolating based on the information that we have.

In the absence of a correction from either Nintendo or CoroCoro, I would personally err on the side of believing it simply because they seem to have a good track record and because there is no equivocating about what is meant by what is said, only whether it is factually correct. And I would expect that a correction would be issued if it is in fact wrong. The box leak on the other hand is much more vague in the sense that we are looking for a pattern to extrapolate information from that likely was not intended for that purpose. It could still hold weight, but I'm just generally not comfortable putting stock in leaks without anything concrete. There are too many assumptions being made for me to take it at face value. It's certainly interesting for discussion though. And again this doesn't mean I actively think it's wrong either, just that it's too early to tell.

 

[P.Kat]

The worst thing about the box theory and veggietales being both right is that we'd get no unique Zelda character since Melee

That'd be a bummer no Tetra? *sigh*

Unpopular opinion:

We should've gotten Hawlucha instead of Greninja

I actually would of mind that at least then if Incineroar does come in (whom I personally have no interest in)
People can have the classic fight against the heavyweight vs the Cruiserweight/Lightweight.

 

[Idon]

I'm going to go ahead and assume a French Typo doesn't lend credence to one side or another.

 

[Shroob]

I mean, the thing I think that is most baffling to me is:


Alright, let's say the box isn't the end all be all and Verg is right.



It's literally one more character in the total.


Yeah, I'd be hyped for Geno as much as the next guy, but it's a difference of 1 if Verg has the last 3 newcomers in his grasp.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I don't know if I am or am not. People hated on Cloud back then (and still do), and they hate on Incineroar and Dee now.

Every character will have tons of hate if they’re not someone who’s highly requested

That'd be a bummer no Tetra? *sigh*

dlc I suppose...or an echo to be close enough

 

[monadoboy]

At least number order is an order.


Because people are uncultured swine who don't want the obvious choice for a new Zelda character to be playable.

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Can we start a movement to save Tingle? Poor man hasn't been in a mainline Zelda since what seems like forever.

Tingle is basically all that Waluigi wishes he could be, so putting him as playable in Smash is the natural thing to do.

 

[AugustusB]

I'm going to go ahead and assume a French Typo doesn't lend credence to one side or another.

Oh believe you me, I wasn't trying to make it one way or the other. Just found it interesting is all.

In reality I just wanted to see people go "WHAT!? WHERE!?"
Sorry not sorry

 

[Nethermoosen]

I mean, the thing I think that is most baffling to me is:


Alright, let's say the box isn't the end all be all and Verg is right.



It's literally one more character in the total.


Yeah, I'd be hyped for Geno as much as the next guy, but it's a difference of 1 if Verg has the last 3 newcomers in his grasp.

He never stated he was aware of the total or anything like that, though. If Box Theory is proven wrong, we’ll be right back in the “dunno” scenario making guesses and predictions.

 

[monadoboy]

Not super relevant but this reminded me: Why does Linkle have like no support to be in Smash?

Following trends I'd expect a much larger fanbase than she has.

She's actually one of my most wanted, but it seems futile to support her when there's so many competition from Zelda with Skull Kid, Impa, Tetra, Tingle, etc.

 

[KMDP]

We still talking about the box? Okay then.

The five stages I want?

Crafted World (Yoshi)
Coralcola Island (StarTropics)
Sylvalum (Xenoblade Chronicles)
Bowser's Castle (Mario)
Lorule (Zelda)

Five stages, huh?

Venus Lighthouse Aerie (Golden Sun)
Vallite Ruins (Fire Emblem)
Rice Beach (Wario)
Radical Highway (Sonic the Hedgehog)
North Crater (FF7)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The dreams of Smash speculation may lie in Geno

We need to help him repair star road and wish away the box theory

 

[Shroob]

He never stated he was aware of the total or anything like that, though. If Box Theory is proven wrong, we’ll be right back in the “dunno” scenario making guesses and predictions.

Even then, I'm not getting my hopes up.


If the SE rep isn't DLC, that'd put us at 12 new characters this game, which is tied for the OG game's roster.


I just don't see a world where we get another 5~ dumped on us at the end.

 

[PsySmasher]

I mean, the thing I think that is most baffling to me is:


Alright, let's say the box isn't the end all be all and Verg is right.



It's literally one more character in the total.


Yeah, I'd be hyped for Geno as much as the next guy, but it's a difference of 1 if Verg has the last 3 newcomers in his grasp.

Verg hasn't predicted every character that's been revealed so far. He never explicitly stated anything on Daisy, Richter, Chrom or Dark Samus.

Even though they're only echoes, that would still affect the total numbers of characters.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

I still do think he'd be boring, but another reason I'm against Incineroar is because he's a starter. Part of the reason I would've preferred Mimikyu, Lycanroc, or Nihilego is because there's already four playable starters. It would honestly feel like limiting the Pokemon series when there are plenty of other non-starter Pokemon that still are important/popular, especially when you consider Gens that aren't 7.

 

[SirCamp]

Also something to consider, but the pictures on the side of the box can always be resized. We know that its simply a mock up and we also know that they certainly weren't going to give us any new reveals (barring slip ups of course) on the mock up. It seems that this could be the real pattern for the box, but simply that they resized the icons to fit and still look visually appealing while also only showing characters that have already been revealed. Would make sense to me anyway. I suppose, if true, that would still imply that Ken is the only unrevealed echo fighter though.

 

[Shroob]

Verg hasn't predicted every character that's been revealed so far. He never explicitly stated anything on Daisy, Richter, Chrom or Dark Samus.

Even though they're only echoes, that would still affect the total numbers of characters.

I'm not expecting us to go over 12 new characters, including echoes.

This fits into "Don't expect too many new" and "A few more left to show" in my book.

 

[Pyra]

The dreams of Smash speculation may lie in Geno

We need to help him repair star road and wish away the box theory

You're damn right.

Verg hasn't predicted every character that's been revealed so far. He never explicitly stated anything on Daisy, Richter, Chrom or Dark Samus.

Even though they're only echoes, that would still affect the total numbers of characters.

Unless If I'm totally missing something, when did he ever talk about K. Rool?

But the number of characters remaining wasn't really a "vergeben" issue anyway, just what some of the characters were.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I mean, the thing I think that is most baffling to me is:


Alright, let's say the box isn't the end all be all and Verg is right.



It's literally one more character in the total.


Yeah, I'd be hyped for Geno as much as the next guy, but it's a difference of 1 if Verg has the last 3 newcomers in his grasp.

Honestly this, and I said it earlier. Vergeben would have to be missing a great deal which I'm not sure of. And unless Sakurai does a newcomer blow out in the final direct I don't see it happening.

Really the only thing I see coming out of the box theory being wrong is base game SE character and more echoes.




Hey has the site updated for anyone yet? It usually does by now.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Anything else more since I was here last? I know Verge was looking into his Square rep.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Another interesting fact. If Ken and Dante were in Smash, they would have the same English Voice Actor, Reuben Langdon.

Anyone remember when Reubon Langdon gave everyone a hope spot for Snake in Smash 4 by claiming he voiced Raiden in Smash in an interview, but then later clarified he meant mocap work for PS All Stars, and while some people believed it was a cover up to hide a leak as there was no official accreditation for his PS All Stars work, it then turned out he really did mix up mocap work in PS All Stars with voice acting in Smash

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So is it actually a leaked render? Is The Box playable?

For a playable box, look no further than Qbby: https://www.deviantart.com/professorfandango/art/SMASH-150-118-QBBY-729885783

Hey has the site updated for anyone yet? It usually does by now.

Strangely, no. Intern-kun is tardy again.

 

[kylexv]

Because if Anti-Box people are wrong, it just leads to disappointment while if Pro-Box people are wrong, it leads to excitement

Literally the only reason why I'm on the box side.

Also, I'm starting to warm up to the thought of Incineroar and pretty much accepted him at this point, so that helps.

 

[Exalt4747]

The dreams of Smash speculation may lie in Geno

We need to help him repair star road and wish away the box theory

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