Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Dixie Kong]

I just say that we couldn’t have gotten this info at a better time!!

 

[Shroob]

Not gonna lie, the whole "Minecraft content" tidbit has always confused me.
If they managed to strike a deal with freakin' Microsoft...why would they throw in some MC content, but not a playable character, including Banjo?

If Microsoft said "Yeah, you can use Minecraft, no we don't want you to use Banjo."


Same reason Sakurai wouldn't be allowed to make Geno playable, more or less.



Companies want to be promoted with their best foot forward. BK is in a K.Rool situation, but 3rd party, so it's really ****ing awkward.

 

[Luigi The President]

How do we know Banjo isn't in the game?

I'd bet top dollar if Banjo is in, he's top secret, much like K. Rool was.

Well, I'm just going under the assumption he isn't that's all.

Haven't heard a peep about him. But yeah. Would make sense.

 

[Roberk]

My hope for a Shadows of Valentia stage lives on!

Duma's Tower... as a vertical climbing stage.

That reminds me, I've got a really good Team Lora moveset cooking up. Is there a Lora support thread (for DLC, I guess)? I only saw Jin.

I really hope that Sakurai is based enough to compare Lora and Rex as protagonists somewhat equal in significance and add the better of the two. Hopefully, he plays Torna before the production of DLC.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Is Dixie popular?

I'd say so, there aren't many characters who are above her in terms of popularity now that K Rool and Ridley are in. I mean there's Geno, Isaac and Bandana Dee, possibly a few more like Banjo, Rayman, Shovel Knight etc. Honestly though, Dixie's popularity is one of the hardest to place.

 

[Potato_]

Not gonna lie, the whole "Minecraft content" tidbit has always confused me.
If they managed to strike a deal with freakin' Microsoft...why would they throw in some MC content, but not a playable character, including Banjo?

The implication to me would be that if they did have Minecraft content in the game then they definitely talked about a character. The two options are that there is one and it just hasn't leaked or they couldn't come to a deal when it came to who and how.

 

[Momotsuki]

I'm gonna pop on my good ol' tinfoil hat long enough to share a thought I have. I think it's likely that Isabelle was planned to be an echo fighter, but ended up being tweaked more than they expected, and was thus made her own fighter. I think this for a few reasons.
Echo fighters clearly aren't ballot picks, and Isabelle doesn't seem like she would have done well on the ballot.
Every non-echo aside from her were very likely to have done amazingly on the ballot.
Verge's sources couldn't agree on whether Isabelle was unique or an echo.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well my fellow third party supporters

Yes!

Lloyd is is still back. My guesses on the remaining five:

Pokemon Sun and Moon Stage
Tales Stage
Tekken Stage
Xenoblade X/Golden Sun Stage
Metroid Returns Stage

 

[Will]

Guys I think one of my followers found something really interesting...

...okay, so, here's a thread on something interesting in the smash ultimate website

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

every universe has a logo, of course. universes with only one character have one logo, like so https://t.co/tYb7EWVpYK

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

universes with more than one character have two logos, one with the word "black" added at the end, like so https://t.co/JgStXNzojX https://t.co/ttS7VQXLK6

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

Guess what file actually exists?

https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/logo/f-zero_black_en.png

He's at least in boys

There's no ****ing way this adds up.
I'm not saying that insultingly, but if that actually proved water on every series, I would lose my **** over how simple that was.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Though, I do agree heartily with Vaanrose on this point.


We're assuming that CoroCoro staff knows 108 stages when the rest of the world is only privy to 103.

But we don't want to assume people that designed the box and put the characters in a certain pattern know the roster number.




One is a speculation of more, which means more, unknown stuff.

While the other is a speculation of less, which means less unknown stuff.



Sounds like people just like to aim high and not think worst case scenario.

ALRIGHT EVERYONE! IT'S TIME FOR THE WORD OF THE DAY!

The word of the day is: confirmation bias!

con·fir·ma·tion bi·as
noun

1. the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.

Can someone give me an example of confirmation bias?

"People on Smashboards believing the Corocoro leak over the Box Theory?"

Very good Jimmy! You get a gold star!

Being serious, vaanrose and Shroob are right. We ought to weigh both equally right now, as much as we might not want to.

 

[Starbound]

Guys I think one of my followers found something really interesting...

...okay, so, here's a thread on something interesting in the smash ultimate website

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

every universe has a logo, of course. universes with only one character have one logo, like so https://t.co/tYb7EWVpYK

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

universes with more than one character have two logos, one with the word "black" added at the end, like so https://t.co/JgStXNzojX https://t.co/ttS7VQXLK6

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

Guess what file actually exists?

https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/logo/f-zero_black_en.png

He's at least in boys

What other series fit this trend?

 

[Shroob]

Guys I think one of my followers found something really interesting...

...okay, so, here's a thread on something interesting in the smash ultimate website

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

every universe has a logo, of course. universes with only one character have one logo, like so https://t.co/tYb7EWVpYK

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

universes with more than one character have two logos, one with the word "black" added at the end, like so https://t.co/JgStXNzojX https://t.co/ttS7VQXLK6

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

Guess what file actually exists?

https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/logo/f-zero_black_en.png

He's at least in boys

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but wasn't this brought up a few weeks back?


And Wii-Fit, Ice Climbers, ROB and G&W also had this in their files?

 

[Momotsuki]

Guys I think one of my followers found something really interesting...

...okay, so, here's a thread on something interesting in the smash ultimate website

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

every universe has a logo, of course. universes with only one character have one logo, like so https://t.co/tYb7EWVpYK

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

universes with more than one character have two logos, one with the word "black" added at the end, like so https://t.co/JgStXNzojX https://t.co/ttS7VQXLK6

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

Guess what file actually exists?

https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/logo/f-zero_black_en.png

He's at least in boys

No way... no way it's that easy... no... way... No. Like, I'd love Black Shadow since he'd probably be Melee Ganondorf but NO WAY is it that simple... I'm in disbelief.

 

[Sleeps with Butterflies]

What other series fit this trend?

Yes, yes, I woud like to know as well.

 

[SvartWolf]

I love how the moment the stage count grew by 5 stages, people went back to their +6 numbered newcomers left predictions XD

 

[Mc.Rad]

There's no ****ing way this adds up.
I'm not saying that insultingly, but if that actually proved water on every series, I would lose my **** over how simple that was.

It's kinda falty since also _black_ variants of the Wii Fit and Rob logo exists... unless if we're going to get some wild ass Echos or even Matt the Mii as an actualy character.

 

[Noipoi]

There's no way in hell it's that simple.
I refuse to believe.
Someone double check! I cannot because I am stupid.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I'm gonna pop on my good ol' tinfoil hat long enough to share a thought I have. I think it's likely that Isabelle was planned to be an echo fighter, but ended up being tweaked more than they expected, and was thus made her own fighter. I think this for a few reasons.
Echo fighters clearly aren't ballot picks, and Isabelle doesn't seem like she would have done well on the ballot.
Every non-echo aside from her were very likely to have done amazingly on the ballot.
Verge's sources couldn't agree on whether Isabelle was unique or an echo.

Honestly, while the ballot definitely played a factor in character choices, I don't think it was the only one. The facts are that Isabelle is the face of the animal crossing series rn and nintendo is pushing her HARD, it makes sense that she'd get in regardless.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

It's kinda falty since also _black_ variants of the Wii Fit and Rob logo exists... unless if we're going to get some wild *** Echos or even Matt the Mii as an actualy character.

I have heard this theory before

Because of ROB I rejected it without another thought

 

[Shroob]

Wii-Fit, Ice Climbers, ROB and Game and Watch have the same _black_ files.

It means literally nothing unless you believe those 4 series are also getting new characters too.

 

[SvartWolf]

No way... no way it's that easy... no... way... No. Like, I'd love Black Shadow since he'd probably be Melee Ganondorf but NO WAY is it that simple... I'm in disbelief.

this theory have been brought up before.... teh problem is, is that you believe it 100% it means that ROB franchise will have another character ._.

That being said.... maybe Ancient minister as an echo....

but yeahhh....

 

[SirCamp]

I'd say so, there aren't many characters who are above her in terms of popularity now that K Rool and Ridley are in. I mean there's Geno, Isaac and Bandana Dee, possibly a few more like Banjo, Rayman, Shovel Knight etc. Honestly though, Dixie's popularity is one of the hardest to place.

Eh I think Dixie is pretty much one of the most popular in a broader sense. She's not in the Smash scene/speculation scene specifically, but among casual gamers I would say she is more recognizable at the very least than either Geno or Isaac, two of her main competitors here. And i say that as a huge Isaac fan. But realistically he is a bit of a who for people outside this particular scene.

 

[Misery Brick]

5 stages?

• Training Mode
• Medium Battlefield
• PokeFloats but it's just Buzzwole
• Fire Emblem Fates Continent
• The Graveyard of Miiverse

In all seriousness I think the Training Stage could be counted here.

I could've sworn that the Training Stage is only specific to Training Mode, given that's what Sakurai said.
Then again, it could be counted on the site and I just don't actually know.

 

[Zinith]

It's kinda falty since also _black_ variants of the Wii Fit and Rob logo exists... unless if we're going to get some wild *** Echos or even Matt the Mii as an actualy character.

Oh, I hope that's not the case, then my boi will be single repped YET AGAIN!!!

 

[Starbound]

Wii-Fit, Ice Climbers, ROB and Game and Watch have the same _black_ files.

It means literally nothing unless you believe those 4 series are also getting new characters too.

POLAR BEAR breaks the ice!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Watch as Black Shadow turns out to be the secret fighter 70 instead of SE rep or Dante.

 

[Noipoi]

Wii-Fit, Ice Climbers, ROB and Game and Watch have the same _black_ files.

It means literally nothing unless you believe those 4 series are also getting new characters too.

Watch out lads...


POLAR BEAR!
CHILLS OUT!

Edit: 'd

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Guys I think one of my followers found something really interesting...

...okay, so, here's a thread on something interesting in the smash ultimate website

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

every universe has a logo, of course. universes with only one character have one logo, like so https://t.co/tYb7EWVpYK

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

universes with more than one character have two logos, one with the word "black" added at the end, like so https://t.co/JgStXNzojX https://t.co/ttS7VQXLK6

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

Guess what file actually exists?

https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/logo/f-zero_black_en.png

He's at least in boys

Wii fit? R.O.B? yeah I don't buy this, chances are it doesn't mean anything

 

[PlasmaDam]

Dixie will probaly Be a echo fighter damn That kinda of Funny Isabelle is a unique Chracther and everyone thought she would be an echo wow

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Also wanting to call Swamp Sensei if the box theory is dead.

Spoiler

here's a friendly
get ****in rekt bruv
no harm no foul tho

Hey, I want to be wrong. I'll have more to say later.



That said, I think we've developed a grudge of sorts...

Shall we jump in the trash together and forget the whole thing?

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Eh I think Dixie is pretty much one of the most popular in a broader sense. She's not in the Smash scene/speculation scene specifically, but among casual gamers I would say she is more recognizable at the very least than either Geno or Isaac, two of her main competitors here. And i say that as a huge Isaac fan. But realistically he is a bit of a who for people outside this particular scene.

While that's true the same could be said about K Rool, the hardcore fanbase was probably the majority of voters in the ballot

 

[Darkraid]

I'll laugh if the 5 stages are:
Minecraft
Monster Hunter
Gen 7 Pokemon
Another Street Fighter
Another AC stage

 

[Michael the Spikester]

How would you guys react or feel if Black Shadow turned out to be the secret fighter 70 rather then Geno or Dante?

 

[SirCamp]

Dixie will probaly Be a echo fighter damn That kinda of Funny Isabelle is a unique Chracther and everyone thought she would be an echo wow

I wouldn't count Dixie out as a potential semi clone at this point. In fact I'd wager it's pretty likely personally.

 

[Noipoi]

Wii fit? R.O.B? yeah I don't buy this, chances are it doesn't mean anything

I dunno, reckless Wii remote safety man could be classified under Wii Fit :thinkingemoji.

 

[Dee Dude]

Guys I think one of my followers found something really interesting...

...okay, so, here's a thread on something interesting in the smash ultimate website

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

every universe has a logo, of course. universes with only one character have one logo, like so https://t.co/tYb7EWVpYK

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

universes with more than one character have two logos, one with the word "black" added at the end, like so https://t.co/JgStXNzojX https://t.co/ttS7VQXLK6

— 🕊 (@vivaceharmony) September 16, 2018

Guess what file actually exists?

https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/logo/f-zero_black_en.png

He's at least in boys

So...we’re getiin a second Wii Fit fighter then.

Balance Board was already deconfirmed which blows cause I was looking forward to main it.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

5 new stages without any of those being from new series? Or just the stages? I dunno. That seems pretty unlikely.

I think it's more likely that we get like 2-3 new characters WITH stages and then the rest be just the stages. I don't see it being 5 stages and no characters with them. Seems odd.

 

[Sleeps with Butterflies]

How would you guys react or feel if Black Shadow turned out to be the secret fighter 70 rather then Geno or Dante?

If they announce a new F-Zero along with him, then hell ****ing yes.

 

[Nethermoosen]

But it would still have to be selectable somehow in training mode, right?

I am only assuming, but I would think it would just be a toggle that turns the grid and trajectory lines on or it’s the default stageZ

I also completely forgot if we choose stages for training mode. I just remembered it defaulting to Final Destination every time. It’s been a while now that I’m thinking about it.

No reason to believe it needs to be that way, in hindsight.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Professors Hector and Vector and smicks are from the ROB games

I guess it's "possible" one of them could get in