Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Exalt4747]

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01. Mario
02. Donkey Kong
03. Link
04. Samus
04e. Dark Samus
05. Yoshi
06. Kirby
07. Fox
08. Pikachu
09. Luigi
10. Ness
11. Captain Falcon
12. Jigglypuff
13. Peach
13e. Daisy
14. Bowser
15. Ice Climbers
16. Sheik
16e. Impa
17. Zelda
18. Dr. Mario
19. Pichu
20. Falco
21. Marth
21e. Lucina
22. Young Link
23. Ganondorf
24. Mewtwo
25. Roy
25e. Chrom
26. Mr. Game & Watch
27. Meta Knight
28. Pit
28e. Dark Pit
29. Zero Suit Samus
30. Wario
31. Snake
32. Ike
33-35. Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard)
36. Diddy Kong
36e. Dixie Kong
37. Lucas
38. Sonic
38e. Shadow
39. King Dedede
40. Olimar
41. Lucario
42. R.O.B.
43. Toon Link
44. Wolf
45. Villager
46. Mega Man
47. Wii Fit Trainer
48. Rosalina & Luma
49. Little Mac
50. Greninja
51-53. Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Mii Gunner
54. Palutena
55. Pac-Man
56. Robin
57. Shulk
58. Bowser Jr.
59. Duck Hunt
60. Ryu
60e. Ken
61. Cloud
62. Corrin
63. Bayonetta
64. Inkling
65. Ridley
66. Simon
66e. Richter
67. King K. Rool
68. Isabelle
69. Incineroar
70. Geno

How would you guys feel if this was the base roster?

This is also my prediction of how I think it will turn out.

Honestly, I think I'm one of the few people that doesn't hate this. I get Incineroar, and the Geno fans get him, at least.

 

[Pakky]

Well my fellow third party supporters

THE MAN OF RAY

THE BEAR WITH BIRD

 

[PlasmaDam]

Yea

I agree with your point but you've kinda berated numerous choices in the past such as Boshi.

The Isabelle hate opened my Eyes and me realize how ignorant i was

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Spoiler

01. Mario
02. Donkey Kong
03. Link
04. Samus
04e. Dark Samus
05. Yoshi
06. Kirby
07. Fox
08. Pikachu
09. Luigi
10. Ness
11. Captain Falcon
12. Jigglypuff
13. Peach
13e. Daisy
14. Bowser
15. Ice Climbers
16. Sheik
16e. Impa
17. Zelda
18. Dr. Mario
19. Pichu
20. Falco
21. Marth
21e. Lucina
22. Young Link
23. Ganondorf
24. Mewtwo
25. Roy
25e. Chrom
26. Mr. Game & Watch
27. Meta Knight
28. Pit
28e. Dark Pit
29. Zero Suit Samus
30. Wario
31. Snake
32. Ike
33-35. Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard)
36. Diddy Kong
36e. Dixie Kong
37. Lucas
38. Sonic
38e. Shadow
39. King Dedede
40. Olimar
41. Lucario
42. R.O.B.
43. Toon Link
44. Wolf
45. Villager
46. Mega Man
47. Wii Fit Trainer
48. Rosalina & Luma
49. Little Mac
50. Greninja
51-53. Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Mii Gunner
54. Palutena
55. Pac-Man
56. Robin
57. Shulk
58. Bowser Jr.
59. Duck Hunt
60. Ryu
60e. Ken
61. Cloud
62. Corrin
63. Bayonetta
64. Inkling
65. Ridley
66. Simon
66e. Richter
67. King K. Rool
68. Isabelle
69. Incineroar
70. Geno

How would you guys feel if this was the base roster?

This is also my prediction of how I think it will turn out.

Isabelle getting to be a semi-clone but Dixie being stuck as an echo is a world that I don't want to live in tbh.

 

[Knight Dude]

It'd be funny if Ryu's Shin Shoryuken had a close up of the opponents face when he it's them, like SF4 style. They do get in a bit closer, but not to a crazy amount where you can appreciate the pain on their faces.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

I am fine i have just been seeing a lot of isabelle hate on Twitter and Other social media platforms

This is due to a couple of things:

1. The delay creating artificial hype Isabelle would never be able to live up to on her own.
2. She's not Geno, Isaac, or Goku
3. A non epic cinematic trailer which people felt underwhelmed about (despite the Simon, Ridley, K.Rool treatment wouldn't really make sense for Isabelle)

 

[Luigi The President]

Yea

The Isabelle hate opened my Eyes and me realize how ignorant i was

Wow...I actually really appreciate this. I'm glad you've learned a bit. Glad to hear it buddy, good on you.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Isabelle getting to be a semi-clone but Dixie being stuck as an echo is a world that I don't want to live in tbh.

Hey look at the bright side if it were true. You'd still be getting Dixie no?

 

[Momotsuki]

Here are my predictions for remaining non-DLC newcomers.

38ᵋ Shadow
60ᵋ Ken
69 Incineroar
70 Skull Kid
71 Geno

While I'm not so confident in the order of Incineroar and Skull Kid, I'm very confident Geno will be the final reveal.
Note that I'm totally fine with being wrong.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Let me tell you a fun story about Cloud and FFVII for me.

I tried to play FFVII. I was thrown into a battle with no options for a tutorial. I vastly disliked it. I also only knew mostly about the emo Cloud thing, and never really liked the character. I did like Sephiroth and Aerith quite a bit, but mostly due to their designs.

That means I should by all rights hate his inclusion in Smash, right?

No. I loved it. I felt he deserved it for what he brought to the rpg genre. I felt he was the perfect FF representative, as he was not just the most iconic, but most popular, and VII had the most impact at the time. FF1 was great, but DQ1 had a bigger impact by introducing the NES to full out rpg's. FF1 definitely improved on it, but in a different way. It didn't introduce much differences beyond party members at the time. The bigger change up was II with the new battle system, then it was gauge otherwise. The limits is the big new change VII brought to the table, while also creating the divide between Square and Nintendo. It had a huge impact with the game's release and what it helped inspire for ages to come. Of course, each FF did an amazing thing too, but I'd argue it has the most influence.

 

[Shroob]

Calling Shroob for nuclear meltdown. The sacred number is broken, everything is in shambles, theories crumble.
i mean nothings backing it up but i just like it when i remember people say something and swearing an oath that it's so and then the opposite happens

Why would I be mad? I was the first person to campaign that there'd be more than 103, I just decided not to get my hopes up in case there wasn't.


I've always mentioned that there were 5 spots open for stages+1 DLC button.

 

[Noipoi]

108 stages?
I guess new franchises aren't ruled out anymore.
Not like they were before but you know, speculation and all.

 

[Luigi The President]

If this is true then the box theory is in shambles LMAO

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Hey look at the bright side if it were true. You'd still be getting Dixie no?

Keep it and make her dlc, echo dixie would barely be dixie to me tbh, I need my girl to fight with her hair. And although I love isabelle I'd forever be salty as hell lmao.

 

[NintenRob]

I need proof of this 108!

I NEED PROOF!!!!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

108 stages?
I guess new franchises aren't ruled out anymore.
Not like they were before but you know, speculation and all.

Also opens to the idea of said Minecraft representation appearing in the form of a stage which is what I believe it is. That or assist trophy or both (Either Steve or Creeper).

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Five more stages left then?

Also, that Pokémon leak was clearly horrendous as the model they used is literally copy pasted into the game

 

[Shroob]

If this is true then the box theory is in shambles LMAO

I'm actually not seeing how it hurts the box theory at all to be honest.

If Verg is legit, we've known Minecraft's in the game for some time, so a stage seemed likely.

 

[Dixie Kong]

I’m just wondering why they would announce the total number of stages now and not a bit before release.
And I wonder if in this issue they reveal the number of fighters.

 

[Zinith]

I agree with your point but you've kinda berated numerous choices in the past such as Boshi.

*puts fingers to forehead*

"My Boshi senses are tingling..."

 

[Starbound]

If this is true then the box theory is in shambles LMAO

Not really.

We just get more stages for the already existing characters.

Only things that flatout kill the box theory are:
- more than 2 unique newcomers left
- an echo that isn't numerically between Palutena and Corrin

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm actually not seeing how it hurts the box theory at all to be honest.

If Verg is legit, we've known Minecraft's in the game for some time, so a stage seemed likely.

Because even if it's just a Minecraft stage and an Alola stage, that...doesn't bring us to 108.

Not really.

We just get more stages for the already existing characters.

Only things that flatout kill the box theory are:
- more than 2 unique newcomers left
- an echo that isn't numerically between Palutena and Corrin

It doesn't entirely kill it but let's be real, it's a dent of some kind.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Keep it and make her dlc, echo dixie would barely be dixie to me tbh, I need my girl to fight with her hair. And although I love isabelle I'd forever be salty as hell lmao.

To be fair Chrom though an echo of Roy also shares some of Ike's moves. She could still have some of her unique moves yet still be an echo. Still I understand the feeling being she's your favorite.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

What is it that you guys think breaks the box theory?

 

[Noipoi]

We're so thirsty we're suddenly believing a Corocoro leak instantly.

As a Pokemon fan I can tell you personally that Corocoro leaks have been heralded as the bastion of new info for years.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

According to Gamefaqs, Corocoro says there will be 108 stages total.

https://imgur.com/a/Y24VaBn

>103 is the total stages. Sakurai said so.
>Vergeben is right we're getting at least Inceneroar and Geno
>Skull Kid is in Loz says so
>The box theory says that there's only a character and an echo left. Probably Inceneroar and Ken.
>Corocoro says there's 108 stages total

Edit: This speculation season has been a goddamn roller coaster

 

[NintenRob]

I'd like for everyone to keep in mind that until the magazine officially releases, we can't believe any "leaks" that come out from it. Corocoro scans have been faked in the past.

Like this:
View attachment 164572

This is most beautiful thing I've ever witnessed

 

[Will]

If this is true then the box theory is in shambles LMAO

Two whole days worth of fighting for absolutely ****ing nothing. Just another week in speculation shores.

 

[Luigi The President]

Two whole days worth of fighting for absolutely ****ing nothing. Just another week in speculation shores.

Gotta ask Ariga, never saw your POV. Why do you think the box theory is false?
I really am hoping it is.

 

[Shroob]

Because even if it's just a Minecraft stage and an Alola stage, that...doesn't bring us to 108.


It doesn't entirely kill it but let's be real, it's a dent of some kind.

Not.....really?


Sure, there could be a new stage per a newcomer, like Geno(Or god forbid, Dante), but for all we know, it could be stages like Minecraft or ****.



It definitely works against the box theory, but it's not 'in shambles' yet.

 

[Noipoi]

FAREWELL BOX THEORY!
WE KNEW YE WELL!

20 more characters here we come!

 

[Knight Dude]

Back on the topic of Tekken, Heihachi's Final Smash could be 1 of 3 things.

1. His Rage Art from Tekken 7
2. He Straps the opponent(s) to a rocket and launches them into space, like his Tekken 5 ending.
3. He throws some ************ off a cliff.

Jin, has about 3 options as well.

1. His Rage Art from Tekken 7, where he beats the crap out of the opponent, could function similarly to DK and Little Mac..
2. Turns into Devil Jin and uses a Laser like Zelda's Light Arrow.
3. Again, Turns into Devil Jin, but uses DJ's Rage Art from Tekken 7, but maybe even more over the top.

 

[Exalt4747]

What is it that you guys think breaks the box theory?

I haven't seen a better argument than "Vergeben" yet.

 

[PlasmaDam]

Hey Moonlit at least your favorite Chracther has a huge chance to get into my Smash as a Echo my favorite Chracther will never be in Smash

 

[Dixie Kong]

I’m now hoping there are no returning stages in those five. (Soo sorry Pokefloats)

 

[Pyra]

Two whole days worth of fighting for absolutely ****ing nothing. Just another week in speculation shores.

don't take my soap opera away from me

 

[Ultinarok]

I'd like for everyone to keep in mind that until the magazine officially releases, we can't believe any "leaks" that come out from it. Corocoro scans have been faked in the past.

Like this:
View attachment 164572

This picture still makes me happy. ****ing Klinktron. His gears are the ones that will grind the heavens.

I hope the 108 stage thing is true though.

 

[Starbound]

What is it that you guys think breaks the box theory?

Not really.
- more than 2 unique newcomers left
- an echo that isn't numerically between Palutena and Corrin

Because even if it's just a Minecraft stage and an Alola stage, that...doesn't bring us to 108.


It doesn't entirely kill it but let's be real, it's a dent of some kind.

Minecraft.
Alola Stage.
Literally 3 more stages from any existing IP in Smash.

Or we can get a new Nintendo IP that gets a stage but not a character.

 

[Will]

Gotta ask Ariga, never saw your POV. Why do you think the box theory is false?
I really am hoping it is.

I don't think it's false, I don't believe in using the box to determine what we have left when it's still just promotional material, and things like this have happened before.

 

[Luigi The President]

Not.....really?


Sure, there could be a new stage per a newcomer, like Geno(Or god forbid, Dante), but for all we know, it could be stages like Minecraft or ****.



It definitely works against the box theory, but it's not 'in shambles' yet.

Honestly I think we've got two entirely different and clashing POV's. I feel it's a large dent towards the box myself. But I understand why you don't.

Minecraft.
Alola Stage.
Literally 3 more stages from any existing IP in Smash.

Or we can get a new Nintendo IP that gets a stage but not a character.

Why exactly would these 3 stages be so special as to exist beyond the fabled 103 stage limit if they're just from existing IP's?
I'm not saying it kills the theory. I'm saying it puts a dent in it.