Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[lightdrago]

Speaking of TGS is anyone expecting anything to come out of that? I mean it's a big deal Nintendo is there for the first time in like what, 10 years?

Personally I can't see what Nintendo has to reveal after the direct they just had, let alone more Smash information.

Ace Attorney will be there. Phoenix Wright confirmed for Smash Ultimate!

let me have this pls it would be a dream

 

[Erureido]

Erureido I knew you would like that Gallade post, lol.

What can I say, it's not often I see Gallade support around these forums, so you can imagine how happy I was to see support for Gallade here!

Gallade has a support thread too. You can share that moveset idea there if you'd like!

 

[Shroob]

Eh.

50 fact extravaganza was pretty fun.

By then, we had the ESRB leak already, so most of the salt that would have been shed there had already happened.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I always thought it'd be Dragon Quest... But now I'm not so sure.

I never knew how much of a rights disaster that franchise could be. @Frostwraith went over it earlier today.

Care to quote that post for me, please?

Yes. I'd vastly prefer Geno

Yes. I want Pinnochio with guns for hands.

I still don't understand the appeal of Geno in Smash; he's a forgettable one-time party member from a fairly obscure SNES RPG that only the most hardcore of fans know about. Why not Mallow? He's the first party member you get in the game and is arguably equally as iconic. Either way... Geno just doesn't make any sense to me why he has so much support.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Anywhere that’s a direct or a planned trailer release will be the only ways

Which can happen at TGS or some event. That's my point

 

[meowth_thats_wrong]

It's just not clicking with me as to why Geno wouldn't be in the base game.
Like...he's one of the few Sakurai explicitly wanted and have wanted. Was a Ballot frontrunner as implied by Sakurai. Squenix is obviously very willing to cooperate.
So what on Earth happened if the Box is true?

In my opinion, Sakurai mentioning Geno was just a way of him throwing Geno's megafans a bone. "I like your character and have thought about him for previous iterations." I don't think he'd be so open about his liking of Geno if he had definite plans to implement him in a game. Sakurai saying this sounds like someone entertaining a novelty, that he likes the idea of Geno but knows he won't be implemented - if he's liked Geno since Brawl, why isn't he a character already? Maybe Sakurai likes Geno in concept but doesn't see him as realizable. Maybe Square would never agree to having Geno as a character before more important assets.

Yes, Square allowed him as a costume, but a costume's not a character. A Mii costume is just another way to throw fans a bone and doesn't really generate that much money, so I can see Square being fine with giving a costume to a low priority asset like Geno, who promotes a dead franchise that they hardly have any connection to anymore. A character, on the other hand, is major advertising for a third party series. Think of how many people learned of Cloud after his inclusion. Square is now porting a half dozen FF games onto the Switch, taking advantage of Final Fantasy's cross-over exposure in Smash. Given the opportunity, Square wouldn't want to use a new character slot on an asset from a dead series with little notoriety or profit-making power. They'd prioritize another FF character, or Dragon Quest, or Tomb Raider, series that they can further promote.

Also, regarding the ballot, fan polls have shown that Geno has trouble breaking the top 10, behind Paper Mario, Bayonetta, and Shantae to name a few. These polls also take from an incredibly homogenous sample size of Smash forums, ignoring votes from casual fans. Fans could also vote for multiple characters, diluting the results. Daisy, Chrom and Bayonetta have shown that our polls are inaccurate again and again. Nobody outside of Smash forums know who Geno is. Meanwhile, characters like Daisy and Paper Mario have overlapping support between niche forums and the general public.

 

[Shroob]

Which can happen at TGS or some event. That's my point

Legit don't expect a double whammy of reveals this month.

I'd love to get Keniroar done and over with, but I expect the usual with Nintendo going to big events like these, which is nothing at all.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It also comes down to this.

If Square Enix said no. That is that then. End of game.

 

[DevaAshera]

So you're either Little Mac or Shulk.

Why'd you say the same person twice?

People assume that Square's next rep would be Geno.

...but let's be real, would anyone be mad if there was a Dragon Quest character or even Neku from The World Ends with You?

I wouldn't be upset at all..especially if the Dragon Quest rep was the DQIV hero/heroine or Jessica from VIII. Neku would mean WEWY music..so yes.
Honestly though, I'd love to see Terra from FFVI.

I would still say Lara Croft should be the chosen SE rep. She has a huge history in gaming alone as the most iconic female video game protagonist.

I still disagree..she really isn't as popular as she used to be and was an iconic female protagonist for the wrong reasons imo..SQ has much more popular and desired series then Tomb Raider..and likely ones that did much better on the ballot.

 

[LetterO]

Care to quote that post for me, please?




I still don't understand the appeal of Geno in Smash; he's a forgettable one-time party member from a fairly obscure SNES RPG that only the most hardcore of fans know about. Why not Mallow? He's the first party member you get in the game and is arguably equally as iconic. Either way... Geno just doesn't make any sense to me why he has so much support.

Eh, there's always gonna be that character that you don't understand the support for. In my case, it's Ashley.

I don't know why Geno support started being big, but I just decided to go along with it and now I'm just along for his hype train. He just sounds like a cool character for Smash.

 

[Luigi The President]

In my opinion, Sakurai mentioning Geno was just a way of him throwing Geno's megafans a bone. "I like your character and have thought about him for previous iterations." I don't think he'd be so open about his liking of Geno if he had definite plans to implement him in a game. Sakurai saying this sounds like someone entertaining a novelty, that he likes the idea of Geno but knows he won't be implemented - if he's liked Geno since Brawl, why isn't he a character already? Maybe Sakurai likes Geno in concept but doesn't see him as realizable. Maybe Square would never agree to having Geno as a character before more important assets.

Yes, Square allowed him as a costume, but a costume's not a character. A Mii costume is just another way to throw fans a bone and doesn't really generate that much money, so I can see Square being fine with giving a costume to a low priority asset like Geno, who promotes a dead franchise that they hardly have any connection to anymore. A character, on the other hand, is major advertising for a third party series. Think of how many people learned of Cloud after his inclusion. Square is now porting a half dozen FF games onto the Switch, taking advantage of Final Fantasy's cross-over exposure in Smash. Given the opportunity, Square wouldn't want to use a new character slot on an asset from a dead series with little notoriety or profit-making power. They'd prioritize another FF character, or Dragon Quest, or Tomb Raider, series that they can further promote.

Also, regarding the ballot, fan polls have shown that Geno has trouble breaking the top 10, behind Paper Mario, Bayonetta, and Shantae to name a few. These polls also take from an incredibly homogenous sample size of Smash forums, ignoring votes from casual fans. Fans could also vote for multiple characters, diluting the results. Daisy, Chrom and Bayonetta have shown that our polls are inaccurate again and again. Nobody outside of Smash forums know who Geno is. Meanwhile, characters like Daisy and Paper Mario have overlapping support between niche forums and the general public.

I personally disagree with the "throw a bone" reasoning but that's just me.

Believe me. I know a lot about fan polls and especially Paper Mario in fan polls, Check out my signature, but the fact is that he got a Mii costume, a Splash Screen and all. He definitely had a Ballot presence.

 

[praline]

Which can happen at TGS or some event. That's my point

Has it ever happened before though

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I still disagree..she really isn't as popular as she used to be and was an iconic female protagonist for the wrong reasons imo..SQ has much more popular and desired series then Tomb Raider..and likely ones that did much better on the ballot.

At least she'd be a better choice then some of the more absurd ones like Dante, Master Chief, Scorpion, Steve and we can't forget Goku which is requested for some reason...Why? Because Dragon Ball is popular?

 

[Paperchampion23]

Legit don't expect a double whammy of reveals this month.

I'd love to get Keniroar done and over with, but I expect the usual with Nintendo going to big events like these, which is nothing at all.

Nah I agree. I was just being subjective to the possibility

Has it ever happened before though

No, but a random direct announcement at EVO never has happened before either so...

Smash Ultimate clearly has a different promotion setup compared to previous games, with very little time left to promote it. TGS is an excellent event to promote the game. And for the record, we've had random trailers before too, with Robin and Lucina

 

[Misery Brick]

I wouldn't be surprised if we got stealth releases in terms of characters.
Like in order to keep the idea of "secret characters" going, they could drop them on the Smash site, but under the "Challenger Approaching" text and have them under a silhouette.
So in technicallity, Sakurai still reveals the characters. It's just they're treated like the unlockables of past iterations.
I don't know how likely that is, but who knows at this point.

 

[praline]

People assume that Square's next rep would be Geno.

...but let's be real, would anyone be mad if there was a Dragon Quest character or even Neku from The World Ends with You?

Not me! I want a Dragon Quest character so badly in Smash!

 

[AugustusB]

Switching gears and gonna post a moveset idea for a character no one expects..........

"The hated boss who beats you down, and beats you down, and never lets up... Yeah. Big bad Guzma is here!"

Seriously, a Pokemon 'villain' for the Pokemon Trainer? Its ya Boi, Guzma and Golisopod leave an impression! *Cue Splash Screen*

Golisopod would be the fighter, while Guzma squats in the background and just watches on. Every now and then he could say things like "Yeah, hit em!" "Why are you running?"

Up Taunt: The exclamation mark appears above Golisopod's head, looks around nervously/scared and toughens up when Guzma hypes him back up "Yo you got this!"
Side Taunt: Golisopod stands tall and does the Team Skull pose and Guzma gets up "Yeah yeah like that!"
Down Taunt: Golisopod and Guzma throw up there hands in unison and throw gang signs around "Ready for a beat down!?"

Neutral Special: X-Scissor - This move acts like Cloud's Cross Slash, but is more simplified. Swings its glowing red claws upward with one arm at a time. Then it brings them back down with an X slash (Red highlights for the move )
Side Special: First Impression - Golisopod acts bashful and sweet and slowly looks away from the opponent, but quickly lunges at them with a quick claw strike! This move makes me think of Greninja's Substitute move. The longer you hold the button, the further and harder you hit the opponent.
Down Special: Payback - This move is a counter (Another heavy with a counter). Golisopod puts up his claw arms like a shield and when he is hit, he throws his claws outward and stomps the ground releasing dark energy around him. (Could also be Struggle Bug, but IDK)
Up Special: Liquidation - This move acts like Foxes up special, but with less distance to travel. Water generates around Golisopod and he launches himself head first in the desired direction. There is slow down if he hits a wall or the ground.

Final Smash: Savage Spin-Out - Guzma does the Buginium Z pose and says "Time for some pain!" And Golispod spews a string of webs around himself and all who are caught in it are put in a cutscene. The fighters caught are wrapped in a web that is being held by Golisopod. Golisopod proceeds to throw the fighters about, slamming them into the ground and spins them around before he pulls the web closer and slashes right through the webbing, launching the fighters. While that is going on, Guzma says his catchphrase in the background "He'll beat you down and beat you down and will never let up!"

Let me know what you all think!

EDIT: Go show some love to this thread if you want. https://smashboards.com/threads/the-hard-shell-pokemon-golisopod-for-smash-ultimate.458245/

EDIT EDIT: I realize now, Sucker Punch would be a better counter.
ZoroCarlos Thanks for that!

 

[ErenJager]

Will Smash get exclusive skins like Mario Aces?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Which can happen at TGS or some event. That's my point

I know what you’re saying, but I’m saying TGS won’t be an option with the way they reveal characters. We ain’t got nothing during any non-Direct before and it’ll stay that way right now (especially with us already getting a newcomer)

 

[Luigi The President]

Switching gears and gonna post a moveset idea for a character no one expects..........

"The hated boss who beats you down, and beats you down, and never lets up... Yeah. Big bad Guzma is here!"

Seriously, a Pokemon 'villain' for the Pokemon Trainer? Its ya Boi, Guzma and Golisopod leave an impression! *Cue Splash Screen*

Golisopod would be the fighter, while Guzma squats in the background and just watches on. Every now and then he could say things like "Yeah, hit em!" "Why are you running?"

Up Taunt: The exclamation mark appears above Golisopod's head, looks around nervously/scared and toughens up when Guzma hypes him back up "Yo you got this!"
Side Taunt: Golisopod stands tall and does the Team Skull pose and Guzma gets up "Yeah yeah like that!"
Down Taunt: Golisopod and Guzma throw up there hands in unison and throw gang signs around "Ready for a beat down!?"

Neutral Special: X-Scissor - This move acts like Cloud's Cross Slash, but is more simplified. Swings its glowing red claws upward with one arm at a time. Then it brings them back down with an X slash (Red highlights for the move )
Side Special: First Impression - Golisopod acts bashful and sweet and slowly looks away from the opponent, but quickly lunges at them with a quick claw strike! This move makes me think of Greninja's Substitute move. The longer you hold the button, the further and harder you hit the opponent.
Down Special: Payback - This move is a counter (Another heavy with a counter). Golisopod puts up his claw arms like a shield and when he is hit, he throws his claws outward and stomps the ground releasing dark energy around him. (Could also be Struggle Bug, but IDK)
Up Special: Liquidation - This move acts like Foxes up special, but with less distance to travel. Water generates around Golisopod and he launches himself head first in the desired direction. There is slow down if he hits a wall or the ground.

Final Smash: Savage Spin-Out - Guzma does the Buginium Z pose and says "Time for some pain!" And Golispod spews a string of webs around himself and all who are caught in it are put in a cutscene. The fighters caught are wrapped in a web that is being held by Golisopod. Golisopod proceeds to throw the fighters about, slamming them into the ground and spins them around before he pulls the web closer and slashes right through the webbing, launching the fighters. While that is going on, Guzma says his catchphrase in the background "He'll beat you down and beat you down and will never let up!"

Let me know what you all think!

Quality content. I love Guzma. Put him in. Just get him in there.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Are you saying that heir probably gonna announce Incineroar, or Ken, or Something like that there?

Oh no no no lol. I think it's toon soon unfortunately.

I do hope Nintendo announces something though...

 

[ZephyrZ]

Even if it turns out to be false, I still appreciate the box theory. I tend to be very conservitive about my predictions, but even I was started too raise my expectations after the 8/8 direct. It's nice to have something to remind me to prepare for a worst case scenerio (which homestly isn't even that bad one one).

 

[Paperchampion23]

DaybreakHorizon , any decent rumors lately? Any rumors that mentioned Isabelle as a non-echo before her reveal?

 

[Murlough]

It also comes down to this.

If Square Enix said no. That is that then. End of game.

Why would they say no though? I don't care for Geno but it makes no sense.

They aren't using the character. They have most likely no plans to use the character. Sakurai and presumably a majority of the Smash fanbase want Geno. Its free money. Not onlyis it free money BUT THEY KNOW its free money because they already let Sakurai use Geno as a basis for the Mii Costume DLC.

But all the sudden they don't want Geno in Smash? No way. If Geno isn't in then he's probably coming for DLC. Sakurai wants him and at least, AT LEAST, the vocal minority want Geno in Smash. If Geno doesn't make it in by the time that Smash Ultimate's DLC concludes........I'll be blown away.

Companies out here being offered free money and they look at it and say "meh."

 

[SmashChu]

By then, we had the ESRB leak already, so most of the salt that would have been shed there had already happened.

The 50 Facts was about the Wii U game. The ESRB leak was the DS game, so it didn't spoil it besides the roster (which was the same for both).

 

[Shroob]

The 50 Facts was about the Wii U game. The ESRB leak was the DS game, so it didn't spoil it besides the roster (which was the same for both).

That's my point.

The reason why 50 facts was hype was because the initial wave of salt was over. We knew by then who was/wasn't in the game.

 

[Noipoi]

Switching gears and gonna post a moveset idea for a character no one expects..........

"The hated boss who beats you down, and beats you down, and never lets up... Yeah. Big bad Guzma is here!"

Seriously, a Pokemon 'villain' for the Pokemon Trainer? Its ya Boi, Guzma and Golisopod leave an impression! *Cue Splash Screen*

Golisopod would be the fighter, while Guzma squats in the background and just watches on. Every now and then he could say things like "Yeah, hit em!" "Why are you running?"

Up Taunt: The exclamation mark appears above Golisopod's head, looks around nervously/scared and toughens up when Guzma hypes him back up "Yo you got this!"
Side Taunt: Golisopod stands tall and does the Team Skull pose and Guzma gets up "Yeah yeah like that!"
Down Taunt: Golisopod and Guzma throw up there hands in unison and throw gang signs around "Ready for a beat down!?"

Neutral Special: X-Scissor - This move acts like Cloud's Cross Slash, but is more simplified. Swings its glowing red claws upward with one arm at a time. Then it brings them back down with an X slash (Red highlights for the move )
Side Special: First Impression - Golisopod acts bashful and sweet and slowly looks away from the opponent, but quickly lunges at them with a quick claw strike! This move makes me think of Greninja's Substitute move. The longer you hold the button, the further and harder you hit the opponent.
Down Special: Payback - This move is a counter (Another heavy with a counter). Golisopod puts up his claw arms like a shield and when he is hit, he throws his claws outward and stomps the ground releasing dark energy around him. (Could also be Struggle Bug, but IDK)
Up Special: Liquidation - This move acts like Foxes up special, but with less distance to travel. Water generates around Golisopod and he launches himself head first in the desired direction. There is slow down if he hits a wall or the ground.

Final Smash: Savage Spin-Out - Guzma does the Buginium Z pose and says "Time for some pain!" And Golispod spews a string of webs around himself and all who are caught in it are put in a cutscene. The fighters caught are wrapped in a web that is being held by Golisopod. Golisopod proceeds to throw the fighters about, slamming them into the ground and spins them around before he pulls the web closer and slashes right through the webbing, launching the fighters. While that is going on, Guzma says his catchphrase in the background "He'll beat you down and beat you down and will never let up!"

Let me know what you all think!

Stop taunting me with things that will never happen.

 

[Guynamednelson]

presumably a majority of the Smash fanbase

fan polls have shown that Geno has trouble breaking the top 10,

 

[Zinith]

50-Facts was AFTER the 3DS release though, so we already knew who was in the game even if ESRB didn't happen...

 

[KMDP]

Dragon Quest constantly crosses over with other series. Including Nintendo ones.

Fortune Street (Itadaki Street) probably being the most notable Nintendo/DQ crossover.

Apparently Itadaki Street on the Wii is, like, the least popular one in Japan; and yet it's the only one the West got outside of the actual Dragon Quest 3 and the Command Board in Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

It also comes down to this.

If Square Enix said no. That is that then. End of game.

No way they’ll say no to another rep considering how much they’re starting to support the Switch

 

[AugustusB]

Stop taunting me with things that will never happen.

Well I mean...Incineroar was only hinted by one of Vergs guys...So who knows?

EDIT: No Pokemon Music yet...Team Skull remix? The HOTTEST Mixtape.

 

[Shroob]

50-Facts was AFTER the 3DS release though, so we already knew who was in the game even if ESRB didn't happen...

I'm not sure what your point is?


My point is "People enjoyed 50 facts because we had known the entire roster by then"


Imagine we lived in a world where the 3ds version and by proxy esrb leak didn't exist. They'd have been hopping mad about Ridley.

 

[Starbound]

Or Square would rather have them use a different character, which they could offer for a lower cost or more freebies thrown in. It may be free money to use the character, but as a business practice, it's more practical to advertise characters you're using.

Plus they can then use that character to build hype for other releases, which drives further sales.

 

[Murlough]

Switching gears and gonna post a moveset idea for a character no one expects..........

"The hated boss who beats you down, and beats you down, and never lets up... Yeah. Big bad Guzma is here!"

Seriously, a Pokemon 'villain' for the Pokemon Trainer? Its ya Boi, Guzma and Golisopod leave an impression! *Cue Splash Screen*

Golisopod would be the fighter, while Guzma squats in the background and just watches on. Every now and then he could say things like "Yeah, hit em!" "Why are you running?"

Up Taunt: The exclamation mark appears above Golisopod's head, looks around nervously/scared and toughens up when Guzma hypes him back up "Yo you got this!"
Side Taunt: Golisopod stands tall and does the Team Skull pose and Guzma gets up "Yeah yeah like that!"
Down Taunt: Golisopod and Guzma throw up there hands in unison and throw gang signs around "Ready for a beat down!?"

Neutral Special: X-Scissor - This move acts like Cloud's Cross Slash, but is more simplified. Swings its glowing red claws upward with one arm at a time. Then it brings them back down with an X slash (Red highlights for the move )
Side Special: First Impression - Golisopod acts bashful and sweet and slowly looks away from the opponent, but quickly lunges at them with a quick claw strike! This move makes me think of Greninja's Substitute move. The longer you hold the button, the further and harder you hit the opponent.
Down Special: Payback - This move is a counter (Another heavy with a counter). Golisopod puts up his claw arms like a shield and when he is hit, he throws his claws outward and stomps the ground releasing dark energy around him. (Could also be Struggle Bug, but IDK)
Up Special: Liquidation - This move acts like Foxes up special, but with less distance to travel. Water generates around Golisopod and he launches himself head first in the desired direction. There is slow down if he hits a wall or the ground.

Final Smash: Savage Spin-Out - Guzma does the Buginium Z pose and says "Time for some pain!" And Golispod spews a string of webs around himself and all who are caught in it are put in a cutscene. The fighters caught are wrapped in a web that is being held by Golisopod. Golisopod proceeds to throw the fighters about, slamming them into the ground and spins them around before he pulls the web closer and slashes right through the webbing, launching the fighters. While that is going on, Guzma says his catchphrase in the background "He'll beat you down and beat you down and will never let up!"

Let me know what you all think!

This is the only Gen 7 mon I will 100% take instead of Incineroar. Having Guzma in the back would just be icing on the cake.

I would almost be as hyped for Golisopod as I would have been for Mimikyu, just because no one really expected him.

 

[SmashChu]

That's my point.

The reason why 50 facts was hype was because the initial wave of salt was over. We knew by then who was/wasn't in the game.

I don't think that was the reason. Its more that the info in there was all new. It also showed Mewtwo so there's that.

I will say that the 50 Fact Extravaganza was better than both Smash Directs. The Directs should have been from the announcer. Not sure why they dont since it helped both the ARMS and Splatoon Directs.

 

[Exalt4747]

I'm big on the Incineroar train, but Golisopod is also a pokemon I quite like.

 

[Murlough]

It isn't letting me quote your post for some reason so I'll just do this:
G Guynamednelson

I do not care what fan polls say. They are not a 1:1 comparison for what the Ballot had.

I've heard it all before, especially in this thread, believe me.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm big on the Incineroar train, but Golisopod is also a pokemon I quite like.

I admit Golisopod has a pretty wicked design.

 

[Blargg888]

I don't think that was the reason. Its more that the info in there was all new. It also showed Mewtwo so there's that.

I will say that the 50 Fact Extravaganza was better than both Smash Directs. The Directs should have been from the announcer. Not sure why they dont since it helped both the ARMS and Splatoon Directs.

Well not all of it was new, but a lot of it was.