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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Captain Shwampy

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My list:
Bomberman
Shanoa
Alucard
Dr. Eggman
Shadow (echo)
Blaze
Arle
Amitie (echo)
Space Harrier (w/ opa opa)
The Hornet Car
NiGHTS
Chun Li
Tron Bonne
Zero
Leon
Strider
Mike Hagger
Morrigan
Vivi
Terra
Abel (DQV Hero)
Lloyd
Valkyrie (w/ Whirlo)
KOS MOS
T-Elos (echo)
Doomslayer
Captain Syrup
Tap Girl
Lip

Yea this wouldn't be a Nintendo fighter anymore lol
 

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after the chair theory coming to nothing i don't think there's any point in looking for hints like this
We don't know that yet tbh. Just because Skull Kid or Isaac (Rathalos pic) weren't revealed next doesn't mean they are automatically out of the equation, and I personally don't pay attention to the box thing.
 

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Yeaaaaaaa after the chair theory coming to nothing i don't think there's any point in looking for hints like this. Sakurai really isn't as cryptic as people make him out to be.
I will defend myself here and say out of everything that people have analyzed, this is kind of the most blatant thing I've seen. This feels like it's a hint and I'd be surprised if we don't get Black Shadow in the base roster.

Also people were right about the Poltergiest design being related to a new Luigi's Mansion in Simon's trailer lol
 
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Honestly DLC is going to be ****ing wild if 4 was any indication
tbh Ultimate has a lot to live up to, we're talking about DLC. Cloud, Ryu and Bayonetta were absolutely insane; at this point, we might as well go all out and do Sora lmao
 

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tbh Ultimate has a lot to live up to, we're talking about DLC. Cloud, Ryu and Bayonetta were absolutely insane; at this point, we might as well go all out and do Sora lmao
It's time.
 

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You know what, let's talk about this picture for a second everybody, because I'm positive that absolutely everybody had missed it.

You know how people say that the Rathalos picture was a hint for Issac because of the framing and placement and all of that? I have yet to hear anybody at all talk about the (possible) Blatant hint in this picture. Now, there are two possible ways to interpret this hint.

Version 1 (most likely): The machines shown have an oddly specific number choice. If you add these two numbers together you would get the number 30. 30 is also the number for the most popular F-Zero request, Black Shadow. I would also note that this stage is a F-Zero X stage, which is also the game in which Black Shadow first appeared in. The position of the machines under the Falcon Flyer may also suggest that Black Shadow may be an echo or that it's a more obvious hint (it's literally under a shadow).

Version 2 (Conspiracy Mode): The machines numbers are still important... but in a weirder way. If you add 1 to 29 you'd get 30, Black Shadow's number. But if you did the opposite (subtract 29 from 1) or subtract 1 from 1, you'd get 0 or a negative number. This may be a possible hint that Deathborn may be a character himself, as his number is N/A (He didn't join the F-Zero Prix so he has no official number) and also referred as 0. Also notice the shadow again. While the falcon flier casts a shadow onto Crazy Bear (machine number 29), it doesn't cast one on Red Gazelle (number 01). The positioning of the cars may also be indicative of this, as Deathborn (in the games cannon and on his Wii U Trophy) is known to control Black Shadow, which is why he's in front of Crazy Bear. The pilot of Red Gazelle, Might Gazelle, may also share some traits with Deathborn as both are cyborgs.

Anyways please talk about it so that I don't think I'm a coocoo bananas dumbo
500 points for creativity
 

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Okay if we're gonna talk DLC I have a question to ask. Since they will all consist of newcomers do you think that there will be a greater focus on fan favorite characters (retro or recent) this time around or will it just be third parties and the occasional promotional Nintendo character like Smash 4?
 

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If you could give one additional unique attack to any Echo Fighter of your choosing, who would it be and what move would you give them?

I'd change Chrom's side special from the Double Edged Dance to the Javelin toss. Chrom is able to utilize lances as well as swords, and the javelin is a major recurring Fire Emblem weapon, so it'd be nice to have in Smash. On the ground, you can affect its trajectory as Chrom winds it up, giving him a projectile to further separate him from Roy. In the air, it can't be angled and follows a set path. However, when airborne, Chrom gets a small horizontal boost when using the move, just like Mewtwo's Confusion, making it somewhat easier to recover.

How about you guys?
Change Daisy's neutral B into a bat reflector. Holding B has her hold the bat ready, then letting go has her swing with full force. Also change turnips to carrots.
 

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I'll say it once, and I'll say it again.

There 'really' isn't a lot of stuff left from the 8.8 Direct for them to stretch out to all the way to November.


But here's my biggest reason as to why I believe the next Smash Direct will be in October:



Directs usually get stretched for blogposts for about two months worth of time.


If we get one in November... that gives them about a month and a week, or less depending on how late they air the Direct, until the game launches.


It only makes 'sense' for the Direct to come in October, two months after the last, and regurgitate info from it until launch.
 

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I don't think enough people know this ever happened...

Hi, I'm Daisy
 

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I'll say it once, and I'll say it again.

There 'really' isn't a lot of stuff left from the 8.8 Direct for them to stretch out to all the way to November.


But here's my biggest reason as to why I believe the next Smash Direct will be in October:



Directs usually get stretched for blogposts for about two months worth of time.


If we get one in November... that gives them about a month and a week, or less depending on how late they air the Direct, until the game launches.


It only makes 'sense' for the Direct to come in October, two months after the last, and regurgitate info from it until launch.
How much left do they have before they run out?
 

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Okay if we're gonna talk DLC I have a question to ask. Since they will all consist of newcomers do you think that there will be a greater focus on fan favorite characters (retro or recent) this time around or will it just be third parties and the occasional promotional Nintendo character like Smash 4?
I hope it's 3rd parties and long fan requested characters.

Mainly because I want an SMT protagonist and Lyn has been my no. 1 most wanted for aboooooout 15-16 years now.
 

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"Probably" feels more accurate. We don't know what Sakurai what would've done. He's popular, of course. But we also have to consider what he saw in a moveset. He still refers to Ganondorf entirely as a lucky addition. Consider how little he has done to change his moveset. He may have not had enough inspiration for him to get into Brawl. It could've been as early as 4. I feel he'd have gotten in at some point, though.
On the other he he hadn't been added in melee, he would probably be absurdly popular request for brawl. And I mean only behind Sonic (and possibly Wario) levels of popular. And skipping him in brawl would been really weird seeing that two of his games have stages there.
 

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I will defend myself here and say out of everything that people have analyzed, this is kind of the most blatant thing I've seen. This feels like it's a hint and I'd be surprised if we don't get Black Shadow in the base roster.

Also people were right about the Poltergiest design being related to a new Luigi's Mansion in Simon's trailer lol
I just personally feel like Sakurai wouldn't have introduced the "Echo fighter" concept if he didn't have a bunch prepared, and honestly they'd make up for the small amount of true unique newcomers, so I kinda feel we still have a few echoes left. Not to mention they're supposed to take little time and effort to make in comparison. I'm still not counting out Shadow, Black Shadow, Dixie, Impa, etc.
 

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CHRONO TRIGGER OR BUST. There's a reason why it's the "greatest game ever made."
I think my first post here specifically was about this:


Having played a game from this franchise, it would be a dream to see anything from this in Smash.
 

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On the other he he hadn't been added in melee, he would probably be absurdly popular request for brawl. And I mean only behind Sonic (and possibly Wario) levels of popular. And skipping him in brawl would been really weird seeing that two of his games have stages there.
Yeah. I honestly think his chances would've been really good, but there's still the question of if Sakurai could see his moveset working well without being a clone. There's no real way to tell at this point. I'm sure he would've been more unique, at least.

That said, at least the sword he's using as a non-custom in Smash Ultimate vastly fits his style better.
 

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We don't know that yet tbh. Just because Skull Kid or Isaac (Rathalos pic) weren't revealed next doesn't mean they are automatically out of the equation, and I personally don't pay attention to the box thing.
This was something I feared and honestly glad I haven't seen people harp on. The whole point of the furniture hinting was that it was for the next reveal, otherwise you can just point to any reveal and any furniture in a direct. That's not hinting anymore. The furniture theory fell apart as soon as Skull Kid wasn't the next reveal.

I totally think the Rathalos picture is a reference, and it might be to Golden Sun or maybe to JRPGs in general. A reference is not always a hint though.
I will defend myself here and say out of everything that people have analyzed, this is kind of the most blatant thing I've seen. This feels like it's a hint and I'd be surprised if we don't get Black Shadow in the base roster.

Also people were right about the Poltergiest design being related to a new Luigi's Mansion in Simon's trailer lol
I don't see how that's blatant, that was a lot of explaining you had to do in your post to get to it...

And the Poltergiest was a direct reference, not a cryptic hint.

Keep your hopes up Black Shadow could totally still be in! In fact I almost wonder based on your posts if you're a friend I know in real life XD
 

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If you could give one additional unique attack to any Echo Fighter of your choosing, who would it be and what move would you give them?

I'd change Chrom's side special from the Double Edged Dance to the Javelin toss. Chrom is able to utilize lances as well as swords, and the javelin is a major recurring Fire Emblem weapon, so it'd be nice to have in Smash. On the ground, you can affect its trajectory as Chrom winds it up, giving him a projectile to further separate him from Roy. In the air, it can't be angled and follows a set path. However, when airborne, Chrom gets a small horizontal boost when using the move, just like Mewtwo's Confusion, making it somewhat easier to recover.

How about you guys?
I mean if I could only change one move and not make any edits to any existing ones, like giving Dark Pit or Daisy one of the custom moves or whatever.
I'd give Lucina the Brave Lance as her side special.
I mean after all, we already have three other characters with Dancing Blade so might as well.
It'd act as a horizontal recovery move such as Pikachu's Skull Bash or Fox's Fox Illusion. Well, more so like the latter.
She could pass through people while dealing damage. This could allow for a possible mix up or a way to create distance from the opponent.
However, if you hit B one more time on contact or near the opponent, she'll stop her movement and slash her lance in an arc outwards, dealing more damage and knock back than the first hit.
This is in reference to the Brave Lance allowing the wielder to go twice in almost any given battle or situation. Also, like most Great Lord's, they all get access to lances and javelins like you said.
(Also apart of me wants to see Lucina and the other characters with their promoted appearances as alts.)
 
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I've come to really enjoy Ganondorf's playstyle so admittedly I personally would be somewhat bummed out if Ganondorf were to be drastically altered from his status as a semi-clone of Captain Falcon.
 

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I mean if I could only change one move and not make any edits to any existing ones, like giving Dark Pit or Daisy one of the custom moves or whatever.
I'd give Lucina the Brave Lance as her side special.
I mean after all, we already have three other characters with Dancing Blade so might as well.
It'd act as a horizontal recovery move such as Pikachu's Skull Bash or Fox's Fox Illusion. Well, more so like the latter.
She could pass through people while dealing damage. This could allow for a possible mix up or a way to create distance from the opponent.
However, if you hit B one more time on contact or near the opponent, she'll stop her movement and slash her lance in an arc outwards, dealing more damage and knock back than the first hit.
This is in reference to the Brave Lance allowing the wielder to go twice in almost any given battle or situation. Also, like most Great Lord's, they all get access to lances and javelins like you said.
(Also apart of me wants to see Lucina and the other characters with their promoted appearances as alts.)
Right there with you on that last bit. Great Lord Chrom probably isn't too likely but man do I want it. Exalt Chrom from FE Cipher would also be acceptable. :p
 

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I've come to really enjoy Ganondorf's playstyle so admittedly I personally would be somewhat bummed out if Ganondorf were to be drastically altered from his status as a semi-clone of Captain Falcon.
That's another reason why some people (including myself) believe Black Shadow may be in as Falcon's echo fighter and be more akin to "old" Ganondorf. After all even Sakurai himself said he is always hesitant to drastically change movesets because he knows people are used to them.
 

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Dream characters:

- Lip
- Prince of Sablé
- Mach Rider
- Ayumi Tachibana
- Isaac
- Dixie Kong
- Masked Man
- Kumatora
- Tetra
- Black Shadow
- Viridi
- Ashley
- Waluigi...I’ve relapsed.
- Tails

Never gonna ****ing happen characters.

- NiGHTS
- Ristar
- Vectorman
- Gunstar Red

I need to be stopped.
I'll join into the fun

Dream Characters:
-Shantae
-Geno
-Black Shadow
-Tsareena
-Pheromosa
-Skull Kid

NEVER EVERs:
 
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