Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MainJPW]

Dream characters:

- Lip
- Prince of Sablé
- Mach Rider
- Ayumi Tachibana
- Isaac
- Dixie Kong
- Masked Man
- Kumatora
- Tetra
- Black Shadow
- Viridi
- Ashley
- Waluigi...I’ve relapsed.
- Tails

Never gonna ****ing happen characters.

- NiGHTS
- Ristar
- Vectorman
- Gunstar Red

I need to be stopped.

 

[Wyoming]

Does Team Smash exist in Ultimate?
Could you go online with 4 of ur friends and fight another team of 4?
This should be a thing.

The lag in this scenario makes me want to cry

 

[ChocolatGelgato]

How would you all feel if Neku was actually our SE character at the end of the day?
I mean Sakurai digs TWEWY and even used the difficulty system for KI:U and Smash 4.
I mean he even took the pin battling from that game for 3DS.
I think it's unlikely, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

First character in smash history to not accept gamecube or pro controller inputs

 

[Idon]

What about down tilt and the kick afterwards?

That'll be useful for getting in and punishing, maybe even killing if the slide kick hits, but that still won't give him a useful defensive option.

Like, imagine Sheik approaches at a 45 degree angle going for a fair. His smashes and tilts are too slow and lack coverage around him. His aerials too lack the speed to act as a "get off me" button and obviously his specials are meant for zoning rather than quick attacks.

 

[ErenJager]

So I guess its time to let out a secret that will amount to someone saying "cool story bro"

I had boobies in my avatar for 4 years and no one noticed. It was an anatomy diagram I made years ago but um yeah.

So, how's everyone doing?

I always thought it was eye balls/ nervous system or the female reproductive system.

 

[WertQuadNine]

hey so who do you think is gonna be the best character in smash ultimate (in tiers)

isabelle.

jk but apparently is pretty good this time around

 

[Pakky]

I always thought it was eye balls/ nervous system or the female reproductive system.

Hopefully, this one is more playful.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

isabelle.

jk but apparently is pretty good this time around

So it's gonna be Smash 64 All over again?
Is still the best Rat

 

[Chrono.]

Dream characters:

- Lip
- Prince of Sablé
- Mach Rider
- Ayumi Tachibana
- Isaac
- Dixie Kong
- Masked Man
- Kumatora
- Tetra
- Black Shadow
- Viridi
- Ashley
- Waluigi...I’ve relapsed.
- Tails

Never gonna ****ing happen characters.

- NiGHTS
- Ristar
- Vectorman
- Gunstar Red

I need to be stopped.

- She'd be cool
- Cool
- Cool
- I'm intrigued by her
- Awesome
- Awesome
- I'm unsure
- Cool
- Cool
- Also unsure on Black Shadow
- Would be awesome
- Cool
- Mixed
- Hell yeah

- Please
- Cool
- Cool
- As far as Treasure charas go I'd rather Saki or Isa but Gunstar is good too

 

[MainJPW]

I might be sorta late with this character rating thing, but here would be my personal choices for Smash (base or dlc), go ahead and rate if you feel so inclined:

- Skull Kid
- Tetra (semi-clone)
- Shadow (Echo)
- Tails
- Marx/Bandana Dee
- Paper Mario
- Neku

- Skull Kid is growing on me. Yes.
- Yes...yes bring the Tetra!
- Change those animations up really good and we’re solid. Yes-ish
- Tails is the Luigi/Player 2 Yada Yada. Yes!
- Both are cool.
- I like him, Sure.
- Unsure.

 

[cothero]

My thoughts about how the final roster gonna be? Two more original characters: Incineroar (totally unique), Dixie Kong (given the semi-clone treatment) and Ken as an echo. So, if we consider Pokémon Trainer as one character, we'll have 68 original characters and 7 echoes, giving a total number of 75. I used to think Shadow was a lock, but with the addition of Ken, we'll get 10 third party characters and i don't think Sakurai wants a number higher than that for now. DLC maybe?

I'd be VERY satisfied with this and would never ask Sakurai for anything ever again.

 

[BlueMagician]

Mario, Sheik, Marth, Pikachu, Inklings, and Bayonetta look strong so far.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

My thoughts about how the final roster gonna be? Two more original characters: Incineroar (totally unique), Dixie Kong (given the semi-clone treatment) and Ken as an echo. So, if we consider Pokémon Trainer as one character, we'll have 68 original characters and 7 echoes, giving a total number of 75. I used to think Shadow was a lock, but with the addition of Ken, we'll get 10 third party characters and i don't think Sakurai wants a number higher than that for now. DLC maybe?

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I'd be VERY satisfied with this and would never ask Sakurai for anything ever again.

Ugh box theory stuff aside, Dixie looks so natural amongst the cast. I'm not even a DK fan and having DK, Diddy and King K. Rool but no Dixie just feels wrong. People go on and on about Nintendo All Stars and whether or not Isabelle is one...well Dixie is definitely the last remaining one to not be playable

 

[KingIceSonic]

If they are going to give us a random 3rd party character that has nothing to do with Nintendo then I would rather they add Joker from Persona 5.

Joker>>>>Dante in my opinion

 

[Mc.Rad]

You know what, let's talk about this picture for a second everybody, because I'm positive that absolutely everybody had missed it.

You know how people say that the Rathalos picture was a hint for Issac because of the framing and placement and all of that? I have yet to hear anybody at all talk about the (possible) Blatant hint in this picture. Now, there are two possible ways to interpret this hint.

Version 1 (most likely): The machines shown have an oddly specific number choice. If you add these two numbers together you would get the number 30. 30 is also the number for the most popular F-Zero request, Black Shadow. I would also note that this stage is a F-Zero X stage, which is also the game in which Black Shadow first appeared in. The position of the machines under the Falcon Flyer may also suggest that Black Shadow may be an echo or that it's a more obvious hint (it's literally under a shadow).

Version 2 (Conspiracy Mode): The machines numbers are still important... but in a weirder way. If you add 1 to 29 you'd get 30, Black Shadow's number. But if you did the opposite (subtract 29 from 1) or subtract 1 from 1, you'd get 0 or a negative number. This may be a possible hint that Deathborn may be a character himself, as his number is N/A (He didn't join the F-Zero Prix so he has no official number) and also referred as 0. Also notice the shadow again. While the falcon flier casts a shadow onto Crazy Bear (machine number 29), it doesn't cast one on Red Gazelle (number 01). The positioning of the cars may also be indicative of this, as Deathborn (in the games cannon and on his Wii U Trophy) is known to control Black Shadow, which is why he's in front of Crazy Bear. The pilot of Red Gazelle, Might Gazelle, may also share some traits with Deathborn as both are cyborgs.

Anyways please talk about it so that I don't think I'm a coocoo bananas dumbo

 

[Polan]

haven't been here since the direct (wanted to avoid the whining) but was that dante leak debunked? or is it still living?

 

[MaestroDavros]

So based off the most reputable stuff we've gotten thus far, here's my speculatory list of who's left for the base game as things stand:

Unique newcomers:

1. Heihachi
2. Lloyd
3. Bandana Dee/Bandana Waddle Dee/Waddle Dee/Whatever you want to call him/it/them/etc.
4. Incineroar
5. Square Enix rep (whoever they may be)
6. Sandbag (Okay I'm kidding, but only partly so)

Non-newcomer Echo Fighters:

1. Ken for Ryu
2. Shadow for Sonic
3. Mrs. Pac-Man for Pac-Man (only if rights issues sort themselves out; even then she might just be given the Alph treatment)
4. Black Shadow for Captain Falcon
5. Black Knight for Ike
6. Medusa for Palutena

I do think that 5-6 more unique fighters and about the same number of non-newcomer echoes isn't totally unreasonable. Especially if there is a non direct trailer next month for a character or two. But, I think we've got at least 3 more newcomers coming.

 

[Will]

Joker>>>>Dante in my opinion

That opinion depends, have played through each's games to garner a justifiable opinion that isn't based on only first-impressions?
it's a thing i have

 

[Idon]

If they are going to give us a random 3rd party character that has nothing to do with Nintendo then I would rather they add Joker from Persona 5.

Joker>>>>Dante in my opinion

Pft, no way.
Dante 4 lyfe

You won't see Joker doing this ****, I'll tell you what.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

haven't been here since the direct (wanted to avoid the whining) but was that dante leak debunked? or is it still living?

Technically still living, but people have moved on to believing a box theory that doesn't include him.

 

[ErenJager]

Speculating DLC characters as packages

DLC Pack #1: Geno & Skull Kid
DLC Pack #2: Ryu Hayabusa & Impa
DLC Pack #3: Isaac & Lloyd

 

[Iridium]

I'll try Gallade, one of favorite Fighting-types!

Gallade has mostly average run speed (around Mario), but slightly above average air mobility (very slightly). His attacks are generally strong (like Link), and fairly quick. Has the ability Steadfast, which if he ever flinches to a weak hit, his speed (ground and air) increases by 10%.

U-special - Aerial Ace: A quick upwards slice in the air, similar to Simon and Richter's uppercut. Great for off the top KOs, and has decent vertical and horizontal distance due to the to angle the direction, but Gallade is left vulnerable if he misses.

N-special - Psycho Cut: A far-reaching horizontal slash in front of Gallade. However, it can be charged as well, and damages opponents who get too close to him. It KOs fairly easily when fully charged (think of Marth's Shield Breaker for instance) and can still keep opponents away at low percent, but has a bit of endlag (couple of additional frames, perhaps) in order to prevent spamming.

S-special - Night Slash: A slash with a dark effect added to it. Has a unique critical hit effect, in which it has almost enough launch power to one-hit KO, but has a 1-in-20 chance of happening. Quicker than Psycho Cut, but slightly weaker.

D-special - Swords Dance: Gallade hold out his hands above his head, and does a chant to summon a clanking group of swords (later SD animation reference). Raises damage values by 20% for 15 seconds. However, charging takes three seconds, and it must be uninterrupted, or the Swords Dance only raises damage values by 5%.

Final Smash - Final Duel: This is original material, being a mix of two moves. Gallade transforms into Mega Gallade dashes across the stage (going through opponents through the stage), and if he hits anybody during the dash, they are sent to a regular route (with ample space), and Gallade first uses Psycho Cut on opponents at high speed for a few seconds, then unleashes Close Combat for the KO.

Gallade is only male, as that's how it is in Pokémon. I won't get started on Gardevoir though.

Erureido I knew you would like that Gallade post, lol.

 

[Maxoxpower]

Speculating DLC characters as packages

DLC Pack #1: Geno & Skull Kid
DLC Pack #2: Ryu Hayabusa & Impa
DLC Pack #3: Isaac & Lloyd

can ..we just wait for release first?

 

[ErenJager]

can ..we just wait for release first?

I'd rather not.

I believe in the box.

Or you can just call me a Boxer.

But never call me a Boxy, us Boxers consider that a derogatory term for people who believe in the box.

And to hinder my dlc speculation is an insult to my beliefs as a boxer.

 

[Idon]

That opinion depends, have played through each's games to garner a justifiable opinion that isn't based on only first-impressions?
it's a thing i have

You and I both know ignorance has NEVER stopped someone from forming an opinion on something.

Speaking of which, it's a shame Jojo has become "that meme manga that only weirdos read." when I recommend it to my friends.

 

[Will]

DLC Pack #1: Geno & Skull Kid

Okay but what's the theme here?
Geno & Paper Mario makes more sense if you're gonna put Isaac somewhere else.

 

[Zinith]

Anything non-box related pop up in the last 9 hours?

 

[Impa4Smash]

With over 2 months to go before release, from a marketing stand point, only having Incineroar and Ken (an echo) left to be revealed is madness.

Especially since 8 (9 if you count the official Inkling gameplay reveal at E3) were dropped in the span of 4 months

 

[Mega Bidoof]

You and I both know ignorance has NEVER stopped someone from forming an opinion on something.

Speaking of which, it's a shame Jojo has become "that meme manga that only weirdos read." when I recommend it to my friends.

I’ve never heard anyone call JoJo that

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If they are going to give us a random 3rd party character that has nothing to do with Nintendo then I would rather they add Joker from Persona 5.

Joker>>>>Dante in my opinion

It's ok we can all be wrong

Honestly it's a shame that if Dante came in it would be as DLC because the CGI trailer would be ****ing ridiculous. Pizza sliding, bench-sitting while getting smacked, a Shakespearean rap battle, etc

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Okay but what's the theme here?
Geno & Paper Mario makes more sense if you're gonna put Isaac somewhere else.

Puppets, I assume.

 

[Idon]

can ..we just wait for release first?

No.
In fact, I am prepping a speculation thread of Smash 6 AS WE SPEAK.

 

[staindgrey]

It's crazy how I've reached a point where the only characters that could really make me even more hyped are ones with absolutely no chance such as Midbus or Rusty Slugger, or Mr. L as a Luigi echo, and similar things.

The only character left who hasn't already made it in or been deconfirmed in some way, I think, is Min Min. I just love her design. And ARMS in general. Skull kid is close, but that's more for wanting more Zelda than anything.

I can't think of any other Nintendo characters I'm just dying to see. I'd love to see the roster expand, sure, but I got most of my favorites, and the others are ATs.

 

[cothero]

Ugh box theory stuff aside, Dixie looks so natural amongst the cast. I'm not even a DK fan and having DK, Diddy and King K. Rool but no Dixie just feels wrong. People go on and on about Nintendo All Stars and whether or not Isabelle is one...well Dixie is definitely the last remaining one to not be playable

After Isabelle received an almost unique moveset, i'm strongly convinced she's in. Dixie did well on the ballot according to unnoficial pools, not as much as K. Rool, Geno or Ridley, but i'm sure she was amongst the top 20.

 

[Impa4Smash]

It would be cool if DLC packs came with one unique fighter and one echo from the same series (like Skull Kid/Impa, Geno/Boshi, Tails/Shadow, etc)

 

[Mc.Rad]

Anything non-box related pop up in the last 9 hours?

Nope! Nothing at all! Except for the Big Blue Stage Hint that's been on the site for months and is obviously about Black Shadow

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

You know what, let's talk about this picture for a second everybody, because I'm positive that absolutely everybody had missed it.

You know how people say that the Rathalos picture was a hint for Issac because of the framing and placement and all of that? I have yet to hear anybody at all talk about the (possible) Blatant hint in this picture. Now, there are two possible ways to interpret this hint.

Version 1 (most likely): The machines shown have an oddly specific number choice. If you add these two numbers together you would get the number 30. 30 is also the number for the most popular F-Zero request, Black Shadow. I would also note that this stage is a F-Zero X stage, which is also the game in which Black Shadow first appeared in. The position of the machines under the Falcon Flyer may also suggest that Black Shadow may be an echo or that it's a more obvious hint (it's literally under a shadow).

Version 2 (Conspiracy Mode): The machines numbers are still important... but in a weirder way. If you add 1 to 29 you'd get 30, Black Shadow's number. But if you did the opposite (subtract 29 from 1) or subtract 1 from 1, you'd get 0 or a negative number. This may be a possible hint that Deathborn may be a character himself, as his number is N/A (He didn't join the F-Zero Prix so he has no official number) and also referred as 0. Also notice the shadow again. While the falcon flier casts a shadow onto Crazy Bear (machine number 29), it doesn't cast one on Red Gazelle (number 01). The positioning of the cars may also be indicative of this, as Deathborn (in the games cannon and on his Wii U Trophy) is known to control Black Shadow, which is why he's in front of Crazy Bear. The pilot of Red Gazelle, Might Gazelle, may also share some traits with Deathborn as both are cyborgs.

Anyways please talk about it so that I don't think I'm a coocoo bananas dumbo

Yeaaaaaaa after the chair theory coming to nothing i don't think there's any point in looking for hints like this. Sakurai really isn't as cryptic as people make him out to be.

 

[Will]

Puppets, I assume.

Man that's deep on Skull Kid.

 

[Impa4Smash]

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Man that's deep on Skull Kid.

He also has puppets he controls in Twilight Princess

 

[Idon]

It's ok we can all be wrong

Honestly it's a shame that if Dante came in it would be as DLC because the CGI trailer would be ****ing ridiculous. Pizza sliding, bench-sitting while getting smacked, a Shakespearean rap battle, etc

The perfect thing about Dante is that he jives well with ANY character on the cast. He goes with the flow and just wants to have fun.

If he's fighting a monster Ridley, he'll throw out a bunch of corny one-liners while styling on him. If he's fighting some serious warrior like Lucina he'll just dodge all her hits while complimenting her. If he's around Isabelle, he'd happily sit down and have some tea with her while chatting about the weather.