Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Darkraid]

Did this Dante leak come from VergeBen?

Short answet: no
Long answer: nooooooooooooooo

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Do u think Isabelle is a psycho?

She is such a gentle soul that are capable of so much violence.

Methinks she could be like an attack dog, nice to the owner/boss and friends, but will take offense against intruders when push comes to shove.

 

[Pizzanigs]

You claim to be a die hard nintendo fan and yet you haven't heard of her until smash speculation

Something is not right about that sentence

Such as...? You're really gonna determine how much I am a fan of Nintendo based on if I knew Isabelle before Smash speculation? I promise you there are millions out there who are self proclaimed Nintendo fans who don't know a thing about Isabelle. Sorry if my experience doesn't fit the "you can't step outside without seeing Isabelle everywhere!!!" narrative that people love to force on others

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Did this Dante leak come from VergeBen?

No a rando on 4chan

 

[Michael the Spikester]

In that case I gotta call fake on Dante being in.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Congrats to the Isabelle and Animal Crossing fans!

Interesting that Vergeben was right again. So it looks like we’re getting Ken (Echo), Incineroar, and a Square Enix Rep at least. Maybe a Microsoft rep as well.

Surprised Skull Kid is not revealed yet if he is indeed an AT. Sakurai had to specify that he wasn’t playable last game. Maybe he and Majora will be a boss in Spirits mode

 

[Luminario]

I love Isabelle's little dance.
Does anyone have a gif of it? It'd be much appreciated.

She's a STAR
Kinda wish she had the spinny emote from New Leaf too, it's perfect for a taunt.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Look if you could slap “Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series” on Smash Ultimate and have it be canon, he’s fine by me

 

[Will]

I just realized Isabelle just has nubs for hands and feet.
are we sure this was a good idea

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

They all had some history with Nintendo at least. Scorpion didn't. Heck he ain't even popular in Japan to begin nor was a Japanese created franchise. Last I checked too Ed Boon wasn't good friends with Sakurai like Hideo was.

You'd more likely see Scorpion getting into a PSABR sequel.

Yep because Sakurai said that there was no way someone from the west could get into Smash right? And there’s no way a character who’s only popular in the west can get in. Except, we have Little Mac and Ridley to disprove that. Seriously, dude. You can be a detractor but saying something is impossible is just being ignorant.

Besides you missed the biggest point against Scorpion. Mortal Kombat is owned by Warner Bros.

 

[Starbound]

A message for Isabelle's fans straight from her:

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

They all had some history with Nintendo at least.

>History with nintendo

>Snake
>Cloud

If those ****ers have history with Nintendo then my copies of Deadly Alliance on the game cube and Armageddon on wii are history enough for Scorpion

 

[Chrono.]

Maximilian dood be like

Hey, Max was pulling for Sub-Zero.

Completely different.

Or just don't let Miyamoto near anything related to it at all.

Also Paper Mario especially

Dude I don't wanna be that guy but your icon is super cursed.

 

[Fenriraga]

I wonder if Verge will comment on Dante? I'd not so secretly love for him to debunk it.

 

[AlphaSSB]

AlphaSSB

Dude, Starlink is the Star Fox we deserve. Nintendo needs to hand Ubi the keys for the next Star Fox title.

Also, holy **** dude. Your signature just made me thing of James as an echo of Fox. That would be the dopest thing.

Another thing, I think we all expect Ken to be an echo of Ryu, and Shadow an echo of Sonic, but I swear if those two get an echo and Big Boss isn’t one I’mma be upseat. Well, not really, but he’s such an easy echo. Give him his eyepatch pick one of his 4 incarnations Snake Eater, Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes,or Phantom Pain, change his “Colonel, Mission Accomplished” to “Major, Mission Accomplished” and La Li Lu Le Lo you got yourself a Snake echo. So, ****in easy.

The lengths that Ubisoft has gone through with showing Star Fox the respect they deserve is very admirable. There where an Atlas local asked where Starlink and Star Fox came from, and Fox responded with "My home planet is Papetoon." -That's the lore you'd have to go into the old Star Fox comics to find. Not to mention they all look incredible in game.

My only nitpick is that they're all much shorter in Starlink compared to their canon heights. Fox is canonically 5'8", but the humans tower over him. Falco and Wolf are both 6'2", but are portrayed much shorter as well. It's a small grievance, but doesn't impact my excitement for the game, that's for sure.

As for James McCloud, he's by far my most wanted 'Echo' clone. Best part is that, since clones can have different animations, I can see him essentially being Melee Fox. Most people just say "He'd be Fox with sunglasses", but give Melee Fox's animations and properties to his moves, and it show's that he has a lot more to offer.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yep because Sakurai said that there was no way someone from the west could get into Smash right? And there’s no way a character who’s only popular in the west can get in. Except, we have Little Mac and Ridley to disprove that. Seriously, dude. You can be a detractor but saying something is impossible is just being ignorant.

Besides you missed the biggest point against Scorpion. Mortal Kombat is owned by Warner Bros.

Is Nintendo and Warner Bros. in some good relationship lately as they had been with Microsoft and Ubisoft?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Sooo... do y'all believe Vergeben now?

 

[Momotsuki]

Even if I've said it four times already, I'm so, so happy. This Direct was absolutely amazing for me. Not only my most wanted Smash fighter, but my most wanted unannounced (at the time) game!

 

[Potato_]

A message for Isabelle's fans straight from her:

This is too sweet for me to handle. My cold heart won't allow it.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I just...

Sakurai would probably kill people adding in Dante.

I know he knows that Bayonetta and her combo driven gameplay get a lot of flack.

Adding in Dante?

That's just adding in the male version of her but with the increased potential of a sword on top of guns.

I feel like he'd think long and hard about that.

It's one reason I'm sure there's no Jeanne echo coming either.

Maybe once he's figured out how to make Bayonetta not completely break the game we can talk about Dante after that.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I think we're gonna get 2-3 reps per company. Capcom getting Dante, Mega Man, and Ryu would be super interesting.

 

[Deoxys911]

Now that Isabelle is confirmed, what do y'all think about Vergeben?

One of my first thoughts about Isabelle was, "Well, this is definitely another point in favor of DasVergeben." I'm still not convinced that his sources are good since Isabelle was the latest in a series of reasonably safe guesses, but his information is slightly more credible after today's reveal, I'll admit that.

 

[TheYungLink]

The furniture hints with Sakurai were true.

We got a new character from a game series heavily associated with getting new furniture.

 

[Iridium]

Look at DH's tail. Yeah, that's real alright.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

>History with nintendo

>Snake
>Cloud

If those ****ers have history with Nintendo then my copies of Deadly Alliance on the game cube and Armageddon on wii are history enough for Scorpion

You do realize Sakurai and Hideo are good friends right? That's why he was going to be in Melee but it was too late in development by the time Hideo begged Sakurai to add him hence his inclusion in Brawl instead.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

cursed

It's completely safe no worries

 

[Chrono.]

Sooo... do y'all believe Vergeben now?

I believe his Smash stuff so far, but he's on thin ice with me.

Saw too much of his r/kappa stunts back in the day for me to fully get behind him.

 

[Will]

A message for Isabelle's fans straight from her:

So her side special aims upwards instead of horizontally?
Well that's a bit of a downgrade.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Hey look, Isabelle is a worldwide trend now!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

A message for Isabelle's fans straight from her:

Toy hammer is great.

Also, has anyone noticed the mural? Isabelle is celebrating Cloud and Yoshi's Switch announcements!

 

[Deleted member]

I just...

Sakurai would probably kill people adding in Dante.

I know he knows that Bayonetta and her combo driven gameplay get a lot of flack.

Adding in Dante?

That's just adding in the male version of her but with the increased potential of a sword on top of guns.

I feel like he'd think long and hard about that.

It's one reason I'm sure there's no Jeanne echo coming either.

Maybe once he's figured out how to make Bayonetta not completely break the game we can talk about Dante after that.

Just. Give. Her. ****ty. Frame. Data. Like. She. Was. Supposed. To. Have.

 

[RouffWestie]

A message for Isabelle's fans straight from her:

Isabelle's reveal: Haha I'm so cutelook at me go! weee
Villager's reveal:

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I believe in VergeBen at this point. Minecraft I believe won't be represented as a newcomer but rather a stage (Possible since there's a Paper Mario stage only) or assist trophy. Really? Putting Steve over Banjo-Kazooie especially when the latter has been up there in the top 3 in Japan and US.

 

[lightdrago]

ABout Verge saying Ken would be an echo... I came across this post from him:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76995959/908661335

“When it comes to Smash I don't get many specifics about movesets, but I had one who did know, which heard Isabelle would be an echo.
Ken is an echo and there was never any kind of "not sure" or unknown aspect about that like Isabelle.... because it's Ken. Obviously he is an echo of Ryu when it comes to people hearing about him, no one even has to ask. It is simply logic in his case.”

I’m not sure if the Ken echo thing was a leak from his source or just speculation on his part.

 

[Will]

Sooo... do y'all believe Vergeben now?

Nope not really.

I believe in VergeBen at this point. Minecraft I believe won't be represented as a newcomer but rather a stage or assist trophy. Really? Putting Steve over Banjo-Kazooie especially when the latter has been up there in the top 3 in Japan and US.

Top 3 in what? Certaintly wasn't sales. Not every character is in because of the polls, it could just be because they're really big and popular. Like Minecraft.

 

[potato69]

Footage of Loz18 after the direct, deleting Twitter and disappearing forever:

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Is Nintendo and Warner Bros. in some good relationship lately as they had been with Microsoft and Ubisoft?

Er, no. That was my point. Warner Bros. Is historically impossible to work with. Getting to them to let Scorpion or Subzero I’m would be near impossible. That’s the biggest point against those two I feel. Not that they’re Western or lack Nintendo history(which they have plenty of).

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

You do realize Sakurai and Hideo are good friends right? That's why he was going to be in Melee but it was too late in development by the time Hideo begged Sakurai to add him hence his inclusion in Brawl instead.

And that somehow excuses Cloud?

Like no lie, Scorpion is as iconic as Cloud, there's no question about that, and Scorpion has also definitely been on more Nintendo consoles than Cloud has.

I also don't think he's happening, but that reasoning doesn't make any sense

 

[Nemuresu]

Don't know if anyone else pointed this out already, but loz18 closed his Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/loz183

 

[ZephyrZ]

I don't want Incineroar but if they managed to incorporate the masked royal into his moveset I'd be fine.

Cinematic Final Smash Idea:
Incineroar throws his opponent into the Battle Royal Stadium, in the middle of a match between him and three other pokemon - Lycanroc, Type: Null and Decidueye, in reference to the battle from Sun / Moon - who is then caught in the middle of their fighting. Incineroar then finishes it off with a Malicious Moonsault.

I'm really just hoping for Type: Null to at least make a cameo of some sort. Please Sakurai.