Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Originality]

Topic: Pretend that Sakurai wants to focus on adding iconic Western third-parties in Smash Ultimate DLC. He can only choose 10 of them. Who do you include?

Banjo-Kazooie, Master Chief, Ratchet and Clank, Crash, Doomguy, Dovahkiin, Tracer, Zero from Borderlands, Commander Shepard, Scorpion
Coming up with these was harder than I imagined

 

[Starbound]

Also if we're getting a Bethesda character, you guys are missing the obvious choice.

"Todd Howard's moveset revolves around throwing copies of Skyrim at opponents, because he wants to give it to them. The Switch versions have the farthest throw distance while being the weakest damage. The Xbox copies are the middle ground and the Playstation copies don't travel far but do huge damage. We did consult with Microsoft and Sony before creating this character, but thankfully they did give us the go ahead to create this expensive character."

 

[Deleted member]

> Color Trash songs are inevitable

I thought Color Splash was fine. Really wouldn't mind see something from it, actually.

Oh well, to each their own.

If it's going to make people complain less about the online services, I'm all for it.

Only thing that bugs me about it is having to pay for P2P and Splatoon 2 not getting save backups. I am interesting in their new ideas for tying VC into it, but it's only NES games for right now, unfortunately.

TBH I don't like Microsoft's or Sony's experiences either. We really shouldn't have to pay for the online IMO.

 

[staindgrey]

Well, that was an...interesting turn for the thread.

*Ahem* Moving on, how would people feel if a demo was announced to coincide with the Online Service launching? I know this topic was brought up a bit yesterday, but I didn't see it discussed all that much.

I spent FAR too much time on the Gears of War 3 beta and Mass Effect 3 beta. Looking back, I have no idea why I let myself get addicted to a preview of a game in which no progress would carry over whatsoever.

Might as well do it again for Smash.

 

[T-Hell]

Yeah well it bothers me. It bothers me a lot. More Farfetch’d leek joke posts sir?

I understand, but unless Sakurai chose to update her model there's nothing you or we can do, so you better get over it.

How would you feel if someone was constantly in your face telling you how cool is his car or how terrible was a movie he was excited to watch? Annoyed and uncomfortable right? There you go.

 

[staindgrey]

I thought Color Splash was fine. Really wouldn't mind see something from it, actually.

Oh well, to each their own.

I own the game, but I still haven't played it. I reeeeeeeeally didn't like Sticker Star, but bought the Wii U game just because... I dunno. I felt obligated?

I really need to get on that.

 

[osby]

I thought Color Splash was fine. Really wouldn't mind see something from it, actually.

Oh well, to each their own.



Only thing that bugs me about it is having to pay for P2P and Splatoon 2 not getting save backups. I am interesting in their new ideas for tying VC into it, but it's only NES games for right now, unfortunately.

TBH I don't like Microsoft's or Sony's experiences either. We really shouldn't have to pay for the online IMO.

Realistically, you have to pay for a good service. Quality internet connection isn't free. There is room for improvement, though.

 

[Schnee117]

Topic: Pretend that Sakurai wants to focus on adding iconic Western third-parties in Smash Ultimate DLC. He can only choose 10 of them. Who do you include?

Master Chief
Doom Slayer
Dragonborn
Scorpion
Crash Bandicoot
Ezio Auditore
Rayman
Fulgore
Spyro
Tracer

If Lara Croft counts because she was made by a western studio (Eidos way before they merged with SE) then replace Fulgore with her.

 

[Pyra]

Realistically, you have to pay for a good service. Quality internet connection isn't free. There is room for improvement, though.

As much as I want to be optimistic about it, I can't help but feel that it won't actually improve. I'd like to be wrong about that.

 

[Originality]

Well, that was an...interesting turn for the thread.

*Ahem* Moving on, how would people feel if a demo was announced to coincide with the Online Service launching? I know this topic was brought up a bit yesterday, but I didn't see it discussed all that much.

I'd be quite alright with that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My stage choices

Spoiler

Umbra Clock Tower
A proper Bowser's Castle
An Airship stage with cannons and fire traps
Big Blue
Midgar
Decisive Field, where Corrin has to make their choice. Hoshido siblings attack from the left and Nohrian from the right
Jungle Japes
75m
A Dr Mario stage where the pills can be smacked around, changing the terrain
Duck Hunt
Lylat Cruise
Sector Z
Gerudo Valley
Kalos Pokemon League
Summit
Castle Seige
Moray Towers
Saffron City
Fountain of Dreams
A Gangplank Galleon stage
Green Greens Melee
Bridge of Eldin
Boxing Ring
Spear Pillar
Onett
Luigi's Mansion
New Donk City
Archania, a stage where enemy soldiers attack, including evil manaketes and mages!
Arena Ferox
Wily's Castle
Halber
A Cerulean Cave stage
Find Mii
Flat Zone 2
Fourside
Distant Planet
Pac-Maze
Palutena's Temple
Peach's Castle Melee
Isle Delfino
Pokemon Stadium 2
Pokemon Stadium
Reset Bomb Forest
Skyworld
N's Castle
Norfair
Gyromite, a stage which can 'lock' you off of certain parts in the stage randomly
:ultrobinGrima, a gorgeous, atmospheric sunset on the Fell Dragon's back
Mario Galaxy
Coliseum
That place you fight Walhart at, he's a stage hazard
Suzaku Castle
Brinstar Depths
Aether, the stage occasionally transitions to Dark Aether and back, if you're out of the 'safe' zones then you constantly take damage
Temple
Gaur Plain
Dracula's Castle
Clock Tower, a stage with some gear platforms and those ****ing Medusa Heads spawn occasionally. Also 3 Axe Armours
Shadow Moses
Green Hill
Pirate Ship
Town and City
Gamer
Wii Fit
Venom
Yoshi's Island Melee
Great Bay
Hyrule Castle
Space Pirate Hideout, a dark stage where if the searchlights spot you, Space Pirates rush in to attack

 

[Loz18-Echo]

I've seen people saying "oh its only 20 dollars or whatever currency it is for you" is an absolutely ridiculous reason to give it a pass for a paid online service.

Why should we trust in Nintendo when the bloody Xbox 360 has better Online features than the Switch?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Also if we're getting a Bethesda character, you guys are missing the obvious choice.

"Todd Howard's moveset revolves around throwing copies of Skyrim at opponents, because he wants to give it to them. The Switch versions have the farthest throw distance while being the weakest damage. The Xbox copies are the middle ground and the Playstation copies don't travel far but do huge damage. We did consult with Microsoft and Sony before creating this character, but thankfully they did give us the go ahead to create this expensive character."

Todd Howard's Final Smash is converting the engine into Skyrim's engine.

 

[Deleted member]

I own the game, but I still haven't played it. I reeeeeeeeally didn't like Sticker Star, but bought the Wii U game just because... I dunno. I felt obligated?

I really need to get on that.

It's no SPM and it's CERTAINLY no TTYD, but it's still a really good game and I would definitely recommend it. Only problems I had with it were the lack in NPC variety and the battle system feeling like a chore sometimes, but for the most part I had a really fun time with it. The writing especially is very good, and is near TTYD level with it's humor.

 

[Over9000BPM]

I understand, but unless Sakurai chose to update her model there's nothing you or we can do, so you better get over it.

How would you feel if someone was constantly in your face telling you how cool is his car or how terrible was a movie he was excited to watch? Annoyed and uncomfortable right? There you go.

Party pooper.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I've seen people saying "oh its only 20 dollars or whatever currency it is for you" is an absolutely ridiculous reason to give it a pass for a paid online service.

To be fair most of the people who are like this have only played Nintendo consoles and refuse to play anything else.

Although to give it some credit 20$ is pretty cheap.

 

[Pyra]

I've seen people saying "oh its only 20 dollars or whatever currency it is for you" is an absolutely ridiculous reason to give it a pass for a paid online service.

Why should we trust in Nintendo when the bloody Xbox 360 has better Online features than the Switch?

I'm not giving it a pass when I say I'm okay with it,
Just saying it won't be a problem to me cause i have to get it anyway lmao I intend on playing games online and there's nothing I can do to avoid having to get it.
Getting an aneurysm over it isn't gonna do me good especially when I'm swapping my PSplus subscription for it.

 

[Turtlar]

Topic: Pretend that Sakurai wants to focus on adding iconic Western third-parties in Smash Ultimate DLC. He can only choose 10 of them. Who do you include?

Banjo Kazooie
Rayman
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro
Joanna Dark
Doomguy
Scorpion
Lara Croft
Sarah Kerrigan
Master Chief

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Aether, the stage occasionally transitions to Dark Aether and back, if you're out of the 'safe' zones then you constantly take damage

That is a FANTASTIC idea

I've seen people saying "oh its only 20 dollars or whatever currency it is for you" is an absolutely ridiculous reason to give it a pass for a paid online service.

Why should we trust in Nintendo when the bloody Xbox 360 has better Online features than the Switch?

Because $20 isn't worth losing sleep over? Like, make a PB&J sandwich one day instead of eating out, and your online service is paid for a year?

 

[Deleted member]

Topic: Pretend that Sakurai wants to focus on adding iconic Western third-parties in Smash Ultimate DLC. He can only choose 10 of them. Who do you include?

I can't even come up with 10 since I play mostly JRPGs. I guess here's what I'd go with:
1) Shantae
2) Ratchet & Clank
3) Jak & Daxter
4) Fallout avatar in a Power Suit (so it wouldn't matter what they look like since the suit covers their face and everything)
5) Junkrat

...I think that's it, really. At least what i would want. I don't want something from Halo or Minecraft, so the list of people I'd choose is small. Heck, 'Shantae' is pushing it since she can't really be considered 'iconic' and while Overwatch is popular, it hasn't really reached 'icon' status yet. I guess there's Kratos, but...meh.

Most of my adds given full control would be more RPG characters from different franchises; like a rep from Disgaea, Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, Persona, and one more from Final Fantasy. I don't think I've played enough 'Western' games to care.

That is a FANTASTIC idea


Because $20 isn't worth losing sleep over? Like, make a PB&J sandwich one day instead of eating out, and your online service is paid for a year?

Where are you going for your PB & J's that they cost $20; the High Roller's section of Caesar's Palace?

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Party pooper.

I mean you’re the one complaining about stuff...

 

[Deleted member]

Realistically, you have to pay for a good service. Quality internet connection isn't free. There is room for improvement, though.

Normally I'd agree, but most online games on PC let you play on their servers for free after purchasing the game so I dunno. I hope things will eventually improve, but right now it pretty much is just paying for P2P, which isn't something you can improve.

Realistically, though, I'm not gonna make too much of a fuss about it. I really have no right to complain, as I'm paying for it anyway. I wanna keep playing Splatoon, lol.

 

[staindgrey]

Topic: Pretend that Sakurai wants to focus on adding iconic Western third-parties in Smash Ultimate DLC. He can only choose 10 of them. Who do you include?

Gah, ten's too hard.

I'm just gonna throw my favorite character out there and let everyone tell me I'm wrong.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Party pooper.

He's right though. People will be less annoyed, and more importantly, you'll be happier if you just learn to let this go.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Nope, don't think I'm after them



Nope, don't think I'm offended

And you earned yourself a follow.

I quite like you Gothitelle. It's as if we are twins.

 

[Deleted member]

Lords of Shadow acknowledgement already exists, the whip design Simon and Richter use, is the combat cross (the cross shaped hilt).

Though it originated from Lords of Shadow, it wasn't exclusive to it (see: Richter's pachinko render).

 

[Loz18-Echo]

Because $20 isn't worth losing sleep over? Like, make a PB&J sandwich one day instead of eating out, and your online service is paid for a year?

Doesn't change the point of paying for a subpar Online service at all.

You can like the service and don't mind paying for it but it's bull**** when people say this. The only reason Nintendo is doing this isn't to help support the Online for the console at all its just for the green buck. Watch Smash Online be ass again

 

[Over9000BPM]

I mean you’re the one complaining about stuff...

And the only one coming back to the same topic time after time.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Where are you going for your PB & J's that they cost $20; the High Roller's section of Caesar's Palace?

That's my point. You can make a PB&J with like $2 worth of ingredients instead of spending the $10-20 eating fast food usually entails, thereby saving money.

Granted, a PB&J worth $20 sounds like something I'd want to try

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Party pooper.

Dude has a point. Best you just move on from this and let it go

 

[Chrono.]

Though it originated from Lords of Shadow, it wasn't exclusive to it (see: Richter's pachinko render).

Oh god.

Why did they use Richter's PSP design, it's easily his worst one.

 

[TheYungLink]

I'd like for Zero Suit Samus to have her military and civilian outfits from Metroid: Other M as alternate costumes.

Spoiler: Military

Spoiler: Civilian

(you can click on the images to see them better)

Edit: not sure why they're not showing up in the post, here are some direct links:
Military: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...ngsamus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150704032654
Civilian: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...y_Dress.png/revision/latest?cb=20110219195733

Yeah I don't like Metroid: Other M either, but I like these outfits for Samus, since it's very rare that we ever see her in anything that isn't her Power Suit or the Zero Suit / underwear that she wears in most games. They wouldn't clash with Zero Suit Samus' moveset either, just stick the jet boots on them and she's more or less good to go.

 

[WaxPython]

Where are you going for your PB & J's that they cost $20; the High Roller's section of Caesar's Palace?

He didn't say that. He said instead of going out to eat at a restaurant making some sandwiches instead would pay for the online for a year.

 

[Xeno324]

Doesn't change the point of paying for a subpar Online service at all.

You can like the service and don't mind paying for it but it's bull**** when people say this. The only reason Nintendo is doing this isn't to help support the Online for the console at all its just for the green buck. Watch Smash Online be *** again

I hope that they fix the crappy lag that I experienced on the 3ds

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Topic: Pretend that Sakurai wants to focus on adding iconic Western third-parties in Smash Ultimate DLC. He can only choose 10 of them. Who do you include?

Duke Nukem, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Rayman, Earthworm Jim, Lara Croft, Banjo-Kazooie, Rash from the Battletoads, Sub-Zero and finally, the WTF character,

Spoiler

Guybrush Threepwood

Doesn't change the point of paying for a subpar Online service at all.

You can like the service and don't mind paying for it but it's bull**** when people say this. The only reason Nintendo is doing this isn't to help support the Online for the console at all its just for the green buck. Watch Smash Online be *** again

I seldom played with other people even before the advent of online, so it wouldn't make much of a difference to me.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Doesn't change the point of paying for a subpar Online service at all.

You can like the service and don't mind paying for it but it's bull**** when people say this. The only reason Nintendo is doing this isn't to help support the Online for the console at all its just for the green buck. Watch Smash Online be *** again

For me it breaks down to:

1. We don't have all the details for the service yet (4.5 hours to go)
2. Free online with a console is a luxury in this day and age, and we were able to enjoy it while it lasted
3. I want to play Smash online from time to time, and that's worth $1.60 a month for me

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Topic: Pretend that Sakurai wants to focus on adding iconic Western third-parties in Smash Ultimate DLC. He can only choose 10 of them. Who do you include?

Ooh, this is a good topic. Still, I only need one.

Not in any particular order...

1. Dovahkiin

The Elder Scrolls series is one of the biggest names in open-world RPGs, and Skyrim is still hugely iconic - just look at how many people recognize the helmet on sight, or how many memes the guards generated. Also, it’s one of the few western games to get a 40/40 on Famitsu. He may be an avatar, but he’s got a relatively consistent appearance in the marketing, and there’s loads of great moveset potential.​

2. Doomguy

Doom is pretty well the original FPS, which is a genre not represented in Smash at all. It’d be easy enough to pull a Snake and gove him mostly explosives or supernatural weapons to avoid most of the problems there.​

3. Banjo-Kazooie

Banjo seems like a forgotten Nintendo character, but their games were N64 exclusive. Add to that his high nostalgia value among Smash players, and the Bear and Bird seem like good favored choices.​

4. Master Chief

While MC is XBox’s only exclusive, the Halo franchise is one of the most well known FOs games. There seemingly is a lot of thematic overlap with Samus and Doomguy, but adding Master Chief to represent Microsoft would be a huge internet-breaking event like adding Cloud back in For.​

5. Steve

I know, loads of people think he’s disgusting, but there’s no denying that Minecraft is popular, and the blank-faced blockhead is on every other kid’s t-shirt nowadays. You don’t really get more of a modern icon than this.​

6. Spyro

For once, Nintendo wasn’t the first to come up with a game device. Skylanders made the whole ‘toys-to-life’ a thing, which amiibo shows is still going strong. Again, Spyro’s pretty well a Sony exclusive, which would show Nintendo’s deal-making dominance.​

7. Scorpion

While Japan may not be big on Mortal Kombat, that franchise is definitely big in the states as the franchise that made the ESRB a thing. Plus how many games have a 90’s dance song? Scorpion is unquestionably the most iconic member of the cast.​

8. Lara Croft

The first lady of gaming is British originally, but is now owned by Square Enix. Another cultural icon, she’s showed that women in games can be just as badass as men, and also has several films to her name.​

9. Ezio

Ubisoft’s Assassin’s Creed series has definitely struck a chord with history buffs, and the most populat character was the main character of AC2 - so populat that he got two sequels of his own. He also managed a crossover in Soul Calibur 5, as rushed a game as that was.​

10. Rayman

Not every western character is realistic, and Rayman’s been really friendly with Nontendo lately with the Rabbids series. Plus, he’s quite well known in Europe, as the world is more than just Japan and the USA.​

​

Honorable Mention: Shepard

Mass Effect is one of Bioware’s best known RPGs, but he’d have a lot of thematic overlap with the other soldier/spaceman characters above and already in the game. Still, a higely connected world is an amazing concept...assuming you don’t just cop out and give everyone the same ending with a different coat of paint.​

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I've seen people saying "oh its only 20 dollars or whatever currency it is for you" is an absolutely ridiculous reason to give it a pass for a paid online service.

Why should we trust in Nintendo when the bloody Xbox 360 has better Online features than the Switch?

As others said because at the end of the day less than $2 a month is an insignificant amount of money.

If that's too much for you then just don't play online. It's their online service and if they want to charge there's nothing else you can do really. I'd be right there complaining with you if it was anywhere close to $50 a year or more, but seriously less than $2 a month is nothing.

Edit: I saw that you already responded to a simialr comment. I just stand by my point that for me, I can afford $1.60 a month for an online service that will also include VC games. This is also because I honestly haven't bought many VC games in the past so anything they offer me I probably don't own.

It's totally a perspective thing I get that. I'm in a position in my life where I don't need to complain about spending $2 a month for Nintendo's online that we don't even know about yet. I already spend $10 a month on Spotify and barely listen to music lol.

Where are you going for your PB & J's that they cost $20; the High Roller's section of Caesar's Palace?

That wasn't their point lol. They were saying instead of getting a $20 meal somewhere (very easy to do) eat something at home and boom you've made up for the service.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Say what you want about Color Splash, at least it isn't Yoshi's New Island.

I hate both of those Paper Mario games with every fiber of my body, but at least they (well, Color Splash at least) had some quality graphics, good music tracks, and witty writing. New Island is unsalvageable.

inb4 Zinith comes in and throws **** at me

 

[Xeno324]

I just read that Nintendo is locking every switch user to their accounts next week