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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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I just hate the tropes where kids look exactly like their parents and are 'name Jr'. He's literally Baby Bowser with a bandanna and caused a retcon to make the Koopalings just minions instead of Bowser's children..
Huh, the ponytail is something Bowser doesn't have, and imo, it really make Bowser Jr stand out for me, it's little detail I know, but I like little detail like this.

Plus, isn't the Koopaling relation with Bowser treated more as "nobody know" than "no, they aren't related at all" now those days by Nintendo? I swear, I remember reading that somewhere, but I can't remember if it's from Smash or somewhere else.

Tho, in all case, Ludwig is mah boi.:4ludwig:
 
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:ultinkling: "Oh hey they look more fun than I could ever imagine!"
:ultdaisy: *groans of increasing discomfort*
:ultridley: "IT'S ****ING RIDLEY ASDFHAGDKAJD"
:ultsimon: "Oh he looks really cool, too bad his design sucks."
:ultrichter: "I don't know who you are and that's why I'm maining you, besides, you look much better than your grandpa."
:ultchrom: "Is that Marth? Or is it Ike? No, it's a good Roy!"
:ultdarksamus: "GIVE ME MORE METROID!"
:ultkrool: "oh cool"
 

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Now that's just, like, your opinion, man. But as they say, different strokes for different folks.
If you want to debate what constitutes as "less prominence," that is fine.
However, it is not debatable that Echoes have their own trailers, character screens, amiibo, and show on the CSS, while the Pokemon with trainer get none of that (with the possible, even likely, exception of the amiibo, which could as of now just be unannounced).
All of those facts scream to me, less prominence.
 
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Huh, the ponytail is something Bowser doesn't have, and imo, it really make Bowser Jr stand out for me, it's little detail I know, but I like little detail like this.

Plus, isn't the Koopaling relation with Bowser treated more as "nobody know" than "no, they aren't related at all" now those days by Nintendo? I swear, I remember reading that somewhere, but I can't remember if it's from Smash or somewhere else.

Tho, in all case, Ludwig is mah boi.:4ludwig:
That just gave me an idea for a new game: Favorite Koopalings?

Mine would be :ultbowserjr: himself, :4morton: and :4iggy:
 

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That just gave me an idea for a new game: Favorite Koopalings?

Mine would be :ultbowserjr: himself, :4morton: and :4iggy:
But....

Bowser Jr isn't a Koopaling?:confused:

Tho, to answer the questions, my favourites are:

:4ludwig:,:4roy:,:4iggy:& :4larry:
 

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You’re not really using facts though, you’re just using random details about a character’s inclusion to try to justify the fact that you’re salty, even though there’s no reason to be. You’re only using the details that benefit your argument, and ignoring the ones that don’t, which is an inherently flawed way of thinking about things.

For example, PT does have his own trailer, banner, and promotion, which all three Pokémon are included in. And the argument that they don’t have their own making them less important doesn’t work, because for one, it makes complete sense why they wouldn’t have their own trailers. They’re a composite character. Giving them each their own trailer would be confusing and inaccurate. Echoes have their own trailers because they are separate from their base character, not because they are more important.

In reality, an actual example of what you’re talking about is the Mii Fighters. Three different characters that share a single trailer.

Furthermore, arguing that the PT Pokémon are less important than echo fighters because they don’t have things that the echo fighters do is stupid, because the same goes both ways. Echo Fighters don’t have numbers. And aren’t even counted as full characters, whereas Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard clearly are. Furthermore, since PT is now the sole face of the transformation mechanic, that puts even more importance on the Pokémon, which, again, is something echoes don’t have. And that’s not even saying anything about the fact that the three PT Pokémon all have nearly completely unique move sets.

Seriously, it’s like you want to be mad about this, rather than actually being mad about it.

TL;DR: Your “facts” don’t matter because they are both inconclusive, and not all of the “facts”.
I'm not sure what about this disputes anything that I said. Please don't tell me I'm salty, because I'm not gonna call you bitter and illogical simply for ignoring my statement that the Pokemon do have unique numbers and movesets. That is not air time, it is not promotion, and those are explicitly about what I spoke prior. I in fact made it clear I was not talking about gameplay, but promotion.
 

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Yes, finally! ITS FINALLY OVER!!!

The service is also coming up on the 18th with a 1 week free trial, so we’re definitely learning more about, hopefully it satisfies the pricing.
 

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The fact that the Pikmin song got pulled ahead to this week makes me think that the new character to be revealed tomorrow is from a franchise that doesn't already have playable characters.
Trying to find patterns when they aren't there always ends badly.
 

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Thoughts on the newcomers:
:ultinkling:: Pretty neat. Don't have any personal attachment to her (haven't played much Splatoon), but she looks fun
:ultridley:: HYPE
:ultsimon:: Didn't know much about him when they revealed him, but he looks awesome
:ultrichter:: Korath.jpg
:ultdarksamus:: Samus, but cooler-looking
:ultchrom:: When he first got revealed, I didn't care that much, but now that I've played Awakening, I'm pretty excited for him
:ultkrool:: HYPE
 

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Tempting me to buy a Switch so I can play this game: :ultdaisy::ultrichter:
Would play if I did follow through with that: :ultinkling::ultsimon::ultridley::ultdarksamus:
Happy for their fans, could take or leave personally: :ultkrool::ultchrom:
 

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You guys must be happy now that the date has been confirmed.

You guys can no longer starve. Well up until the next direct that is...:laugh:
 

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Alright what about this: Your favorites out of the 8 freaking dragon-turtles that ride a cup-kart thingy, INCLUDING Bowser Jr.. jfc :laugh:
 

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From the initial reveal to today, what has excited me most was not the newcomers but the idea of trying out the characters that have changed in moves and appearance. The Zelda series is a prime example of that.

Even those that are returning from before kinda excite me more, especially Pokemon Trainer that embodies two that are coming back to recombine to the one that never left. Wolf returning is great because for me in Brawl he was easily the funnest of the three to play.

It's partly because none of the newcomers thus far were really ones that I begged for like most other fans, for sure. Although each of them thus far have been stellar, that I can definitely agree to.

Out of the newcomers I'd pick :ultinkling: because that has been the only one I particularly asked for. :ultridley::ultkrool: are in the middle from being large villain icons, and :ultsimon: is last but definitely not bad (I'm just entirely unfamiliar with the series).

Out of the echoes the one I appreciate most is :ultchrom: because :ultroy: is great and all but I'm Awakening and onward from experience (except Sacred Stones) so I now how a "better" choice for me. :ultdarksamus: simply by virtue of how cool it looks goes in the middle. :ultrichter::ultdaisy: have no feeling from me whatsoever and is thus at the bottom.
 

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I'm not sure where the idea that we're gonna get a new mode (spirits) shown off tomorrow comes from..

Not to be negative but moreso realistic.. it's a Nintendo direct, focused around all games. Not a Smash focused direct. I can genuinely see them going over most titles that are scheduled to come out, plus the Nintendo online that everyone is waiting to hear about.

It seems most reasonable to presume they're going to leave Smash for the end of the direct, with a character/newcomer trailer. Not everyone watching the direct is going to be a Smash fan - yes a huge percentage will, but it makes more sense to get into the nitty gritty of Smash when ONLY a Smash audience is watching.
What's the point of showing off Spirits or a completely new game mode to an audience that doesn't even intend on buying Smash? This seems like a mode they would show off for the fans that are specifically tuning into the Smash directs.

Much like how there was a Splatoon Direct, Xenoblade Direct, Pokemon Direct, Fire Emblem direct.. etc..... In these directs, they go more in-depth about modes and certain details in each specific game.
And presuming that at least 2 more Smash directs await us prior to release, I don't see them showing off anything more than a newcomer here.

Just my personal take.
 

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I want to play Richter because I get a Subzero vibe from him if you consider Simon to be Scorpion. As such, Simon is my least anticipated char to play (down there with Ridley).
K Rool looks fun, Daisy is who I play in every party game she's playable in so I'm excited to use her, and Chrom & Dark Samus are in the "alright" category.
 

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:ultinkling:- Expected since i don't care about Splatoon since FPS and TPS are not my thing
:ultdaisy:- Came out of nowhere but cool
:ultridley:- A character i been asking for, He will be one of my alternatives
:ultsimon:- Totally expected thanks to the leaks
:ultrichter:- At first i was like who but then i remebered him since watching Symphony of The Night cutscenes when i was 12
:ultchrom:- Expected since he got treated badly in 4
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Let's play that game from a few pages ago:

I'm excited about :ultkrool::ultsimon::ultdaisy::ultridley:
I find nice to see :ultdarksamus::ultinkling::ultrichter:
I couldn't care less about :ultchrom:
Excited: :ultkrool::ultridley::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultrichter:

Nice: :ultdarksamus::ultdaisy:

In between about: :ultchrom: Because he's a sign that echos can be anything really.
 

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I'm not sure where the idea that we're gonna get a new mode (spirits) shown off tomorrow comes from..

Not to be negative but moreso realistic.. it's a Nintendo direct, focused around all games. Not a Smash focused direct. I can genuinely see them going over most titles that are scheduled to come out, plus the Nintendo online that everyone is waiting to hear about.

It seems most reasonable to presume they're going to leave Smash for the end of the direct, with a character/newcomer trailer. Not everyone watching the direct is going to be a Smash fan - yes a huge percentage will, but it makes more sense to get into the nitty gritty of Smash when ONLY a Smash audience is watching.
What's the point of showing off Spirits or a completely new game mode to an audience that doesn't even intend on buying Smash? This seems like a mode they would show off for the fans that are specifically tuning into the Smash directs.

Much like how there was a Splatoon Direct, Xenoblade Direct, Pokemon Direct, Fire Emblem direct.. etc..... In these directs, they go more in-depth about modes and certain details in each specific game.
And presuming that at least 2 more Smash directs await us prior to release, I don't see them showing off anything more than a newcomer here.

Just my personal take.
I totally understand where you are coming from. I personally don't expect it either even though i want it...but it didn't stop them from giving us a 25ish minute smash reveal at E3, which was esentially supposed to be a general Direct.
(and yeah, I am sure a lot of people were upset by this)
 
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Excited: :ultdaisy::ultkrool::ultridley::ultrichter::ultinkling::ultsimon::ultdarksamus::ultchrom:

I really want to try them all before I make an opinion. Obviously, Daisy excite me the most and King K Rool, but all newcomers so far seems pretty interesting
 

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Personal hype on newcomers thus far (think they're all worthy inclusions, but from a perspective of how much I'll actually do much with them):
:ultkrool: 'K, I see what the hype was about; moveset looks cool and comprehensive representation. Could definitely end up playing him every now and again.
:ultsimon::ultrichter: Great to have the series represented; probably won't main or anything.
:ultinkling::ultridley::ultdarksamus: Cool.
:ultdaisy: Meh; a good choice for an Echo, though.
:ultchrom: Happy for the fans of the character, but total indifference, personally. Will still play Roy if any of the FE characters for the close hits and the nostalgia.
 
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When we had Rosalina, little Mac and shulk announced in directs, I don’t believe a single other word about smash was discussed. It was the trailer and then immediately onto other business. Maybe there was some talking I forget but they were just a part of the general nintendo direct with an appropriate minor focus on the smash character. My expectation is the same, either start or end with the smash character and say nothing else smash related. We know another smash direct/50 fact would be happening eventually so no need to bog down the presentation with smash info.
 

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I would love Hilda to be in she's a cutie

But 6:00 pm tonight is the announcement of the direct being on the Thursday it's gonna happen
Want me to add you to the supporter's list on the Hilda thread?
 
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I wonder how close to release our last reveal will be. Shulk was revealed two months nefore Smash 3DS's release but there were still two more newcomers unrevealed(Duck Hunt and Bowser Jr.) as secret unlockables. This time, we don't have sevret fighters, all will be revealed prior to release so will we know everything about the game in November already(or hell, maybe even October to make double sure nothing leaks) or will Sakurai play it risky and save something for as long as he can(as in, before review copies are sent out)?
 

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:ultsimon:- Eh.
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:ultkrool:- Awesome, now where's Dixie? If there's no Dixie, then my excitement for K. Rool will slightly decrease.
 

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The fact that the Pikmin song got pulled ahead to this week makes me think that the new character to be revealed tomorrow is from a franchise that doesn't already have playable characters.
A bit of a reach to assume that much, but if we only get one newcomer I do think it makes Geno a somewhat unlikely reveal for tomorrow, as I don't think their original plan was to reveal two Mario songs in a row, I have a hard time seeing why they'd upload the Fortress boss song so close to his reveal if they also want to upload a SMRPG track along with him. Of course if another newcomer is revealed on top of him, like a Pokémon, then that becomes a total non-issue as it could just take up the music spot instead, but I'm personally only expecting one reveal, and either way I expect Geno as one of the very last reveals anyways.
 
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