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[Ramen Tengoku]

Probably fake, but Loz18 is playing games again: https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/431217572

I wouldn't trust Loz18
The only leaker I trust currently is Vergeben

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I'm pretty neutral on Goku's voice, but give me Japanese Goku Black any day.

On the subject of voice acting, I have heard the voice acting for WarioWare Gold, but it did seem rather odd that Penny Crygor sounds like a young boy.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Whichever leaker has Shadow then I'm good with them.

 

[Shroob]

I mean.


You're also assuming this is indeed him, which I mean, do I need to say it?


Anyone can make a fake leak.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, they're all frauds anyway. They forgot like, all of the real characters:

 

[Pyra]

Also, for those that jump to conclusions before reading things completely, as far as I can tell all he said was that the Direct's reveal isn't Isaac, not that he isn't in the game.

Don't make your own echo chambers louder with this kinda bull lol

Besides the fact that it's probably not even legit

 

[Nap_]

Luigi is OK. It was confirmed by Nintendo. Long live their social media.

 

[Xgears]

We'll know if it's BS by tomorrow thankfully.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I mean, if it's not SKull Kid either, he basically loses all credibility as well.


The only reason people even assumed that it was Isaac was due to the direct being delayed due to the quake, which is a dumb reasoning. So no Isaac isn't a hard call.


But he's put all his eggs into the Skull Kid basket. If all of a sudden he pulls a "Wait! It's not Skull Kid! It's someone else ooooo mystery!" card, then no, I'm sorry, but that's, pardon my language, ********.

Watch as Skull Kid becomes a boss instead, here lies Loz’s credibility once and for all

I think someone said Loz is a translator and he just goes by “in the game period”, not caring if they’re playable or not, while Verg focuses on who is and who isn’t playable, even said Mimikyu wouldn’t be playable and boom, it was true

 

[Abha]

I wouldn't trust Loz18
The only leaker I trust currently is Vergeben

I'm too cool to trust any leakers, all in on my 0% never evers.

 

[staindgrey]

Eeeeeh... she's trying to impresionate a young boy though, much like Luffy's voice actor. I know Goku isn't young anymore, neither is Bardock, but they just went with it by how recognizable it was (and fits the theme of Goku never really growing up)

I understand why. And I don't think the Lucario represented in the anime is female. But as a voice director/actor myself, I like to point out that trying to assess a character through the real-life attributes of the voice behind it is dumb. One of the great things about voice acting instead of in-person acting is that you can become someone who looks and *is* nothing at all like you.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Didn't Loz say Isaac was in before???...although really he just said he isn't this reveal so that's not deconfirming him.

Anyway that's vauge enough that he could be like yup I was right! He also put out a bunch that would make him wrong so thats good.

 

[SmashChu]

So that probably means a new franchise will be represented. My guesses are Rhythm Heaven and Golden Sun.

My guess is Rhythm Heaven

• Rhythm Heaven was planned for Smash 4
• Its one of two series to have an enemy and not also have a character or stage (other is Ice Climbers, were also planned)
• One of the biggest Nintendo series not in Smash
• Sakurai has added numerous other things he spoke of previously (Ridley, Chrom, Sakupon). Ditto was also planned since Melee and added now.
• There wasn't any Rhythm Heaven songs in the "Other" category despite Smash 4 having two songs

 

[Michele]

Oh Loz, why is this schmuck still around? Heh, no hard feelings though.

We know Veggie Burger (Vergeben) is winning the leaking round. yay....

To be honest, he's already lost his credibility now, and completely too. I would say don't believe him anymore. Vergeben, while he may sound cryptic like Loz, is a bit more friendlier and seems to be hit-and-miss unlike most leakers.

But now that I mention of him. He has not been active these past days on Gamefaqs.

 

[LetterO]

Oh yay, he’s making a leak ARG. ain’t nobody got time for that

And if Isaac IS in, bye bye Loz’s credibility

He said the Direct reveal isn't Isaac, not that Isaac isn't in the game.

 

[ThreeT]

Didn't Loz say Isaac was in before???...although really he just said he isn't this reveal so that's not deconfirming him.

Anyway that's vauge enough that he could be like yup I was right! He also put out a bunch that would make him wrong so thats good.

No that was speculation.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Here comes the Loz hate train... again. Guys you know you can just ignore him if he bothers you that much.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I'm pretty neutral on Goku's voice, but give me Japanese Goku Black any day.

You can have that Goku Black...but I need the Sophisticated Goku Black of the English dub

But English Goku is so much better. Don’t hurt me I just really don’t like the Japanese voice. It just doesn’t seem like the voice fits the character it’s coming out of at all.

Can’t get hurt if you’re right...and you are right

 

[Pyra]

Didn't Loz say Isaac was in before???...although really he just said he isn't this reveal so that's not deconfirming him.

Yeah. He literally was just talking about this reveal.

Also,

There was a problem fetching the tweet

It's probably the same person.

And he's probably lying. But of course, if he isn't and it happens people will probably still find some way to try and convince me his weird behavior make him more wrong than Verg's poor attitude or something when neither has bearing on the truth of their content.

The correct path is neither people, and making your own theories c:

 

[Potato_]

To be honest, he's already lost his credibility now, and completely too. I would say don't believe him anymore. Vergeben, while he may sound cryptic like Loz, is a bit more friendlier and seems to be hit-and-miss unlike most leakers.

But now that I mention of him. He has not been active these past days on Gamefaqs.

Because Verge only posts when he has info.

 

[Shroob]

Here comes the Loz hate train... again. Guys you know you can just ignore him if he bothers you that much.

I mean, he's kind of earned to ire he gets.


At least Verg is just flat out "This is what my sources said, here it is."


If this is Loz(Which is probably even isn't), who benefits from this 'game' except him?

 

[staindgrey]

Nozawa has always been Goku. Whether you like it or not, she's been Goku longer than anyone else. It's fine if you don't prefer her, but as I've watched more DB subbed I've seriously grown to appreciate her. I don't mind if people don't prefer her but just keep that preference respectful.

I didn't realize I was being disrespectful. I understand the iconic voice and what she means to the anime, and I think it fits kid Goku in the same way that Stephanie Nadolny did in the Funimation dub.

It's still not an adult male's voice. And I still personally don't enjoy listening to it because it's grating to listen to. But I don't remember stating she was bad.

 

[Misery Brick]

I honestly don't see why you guys hope a leaker says a character is in.
Like if they're not in the game, it doesn't matter what a fake leaks says.
There's honestly no point in hoping a certain character will make it in, especially when it isn't backed up by anything else.

Also btw, no leaker is 100% on the mark all the time. Like I believe most of the claims that Verge has said, but I definitely wouldn't take it as definitive fact. Especially since all of his sources can't corroborate on one Pokémon.
It just goes to show how much Nintendo is cutting down on potential leaks.
Definitely consider some people's words, but always take them with a grain of salt.

 

[Deleted member]

Here comes the Loz hate train... again. Guys you know you can just ignore him if he bothers you that much.

I played a little game a while back, of ignoring anyone who mentioned him just to see how empty the thread would be after a while. I got sick of the "Show ignored content" button.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

Yeah. He literally was just talking about this reveal.

Also,

There was a problem fetching the tweet

It's probably the same person.

And he's probably lying. But of course, if he isn't and it happens people will probably still find some way to try and convince me his weird behavior make him more wrong than Verg's poor attitude or something when neither has bearing on the truth of their content.

The correct path is neither people, and making your own theories c:

even if it was him he's lost his credibility. always back tracking

 

[Michele]

Because Verge only posts when he has info.

I suppose you're right, but Vergeben sometimes also posts clues. Last time, he said that a gen 7 Pokemon will be in game. So far, Mimikyu has already been deconfirmed. I wonder if there will be more deconfirmations.

even if it was him he's lost his credibility. always back tracking

Agreed. I don't get why did we bring him up now. I know it was because of a 4chan message but he was already exposed. I don't think there's any point in bringing him up.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Also btw, no leaker is 100% on the mark all the time.

Fired ERSB guy says hi.

 

[CJ Falcon]

You can have that Goku Black...but I need the Sophisticated Goku Black of the English dub

Can’t get hurt if you’re right...and you are right

If you actually knew any Japanese, you would know that the real Japanese Goku Black is quite sophisticated in his speech.

And you're actually both wrong.

I know this is off topic but I'm so sick of the Nozawa hate.

 

[Shroob]

I suppose you're right, but Vergeben sometimes also posts clues. Last time, he said that a gen 7 Pokemon will be in game. So far, Mimikyu has already been deconfirmed. I wonder if there will be more deconfirmations.

Verg's said at least one of his sources said Incineroar, so at least we have that much.

 

[Deleted member]

Fired ERSB guy says hi.

I wish the entire ESRB leak was in text form so everyone could pointlessly speculate about it being "real" or not because there's no Tharja trophy in Smash 3DS.

 

[Pyra]

even if it was him he's lost his credibility. always back tracking

You're not listening to what I'm saying.

I'm saying don't listen to him but don't pretend a different leaker is any better or anything lol

 

[TMNTSSB4]

We always trust a leaker or two and success or not we always stick with them until there’s fishy ****s

If you actually knew any Japanese, you would know that the real Japanese Goku Black is quite sophisticated in his speech.

And you're actually both wrong.

I’m talking about the voice not what they’re saying (English Goku Black is my ****)

 

[CJ Falcon]

I didn't realize I was being disrespectful. I understand the iconic voice and what she means to the anime, and I think it fits kid Goku in the same way that Stephanie Nadolny did in the Funimation dub.

It's still not an adult male's voice. And I still personally don't enjoy listening to it because it's grating to listen to. But I don't remember stating she was bad.

Don't see how something "grating" can be good, but ok.

 

[Shroob]

I honestly don't see why you guys hope a leaker says a character is in.
Like if they're not in the game, it doesn't matter what a fake leaks says.
There's honestly no point in hoping a certain character will make it in, especially when it isn't backed up by anything else.

Also btw, no leaker is 100% on the mark all the time. Like I believe most of the claims that Verge has said, but I definitely wouldn't take it as definitive fact. Especially since all of his sources can't corroborate on one Pokémon.
It just goes to show how much Nintendo is cutting down on potential leaks.
Definitely consider some people's words, but always take them with a grain of salt.

Because, shocking but, some people just want to know the whole roster sooner than later.


Even though **** like Gematsu or the ESRB leak are 'boring' to a lot of people, there's an equal amount of people who want the speculation scene to just be done and over with.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I didn't realize I was being disrespectful. I understand the iconic voice and what she means to the anime, and I think it fits kid Goku in the same way that Stephanie Nadolny did in the Funimation dub.

It's still not an adult male's voice. And I still personally don't enjoy listening to it because it's grating to listen to. But I don't remember stating she was bad.

Oh I didn't call you disrespectful, it's just something that I see that's really common. People can't seem to understand why people like Japanese Goku, and some people don't really...construct their opinions of her in the best way. I grew up with the Funimation dub, but once Super rolled around I started watching the sub and while there was an adjustment period I've grown to love the Japanese cast the most by a pretty large margin. Nozawa is Goku to me, and even though the voice isn't considered "normal" by casual watchers, it works perfectly fine for me and many others.

Also it doesn't help the english dub's case when Sean Schemmel has been an ass when given any criticism.

But anyways, this isn't Smash related. I just went off on a tangent, my bad lol.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So yeah.


Going just off the 'expected' characters, how will everyone react to these guys if they're revealed when the Direct drops?

Skull Kid
Isaac
Incineroar
Isabelle

Skull Kid: 9/10 I'd be hyped. He's not my most wanted Zelda character (or even second most wanted Zelda character) but he's still really cool and I'd be hyped to see him. Zelda needs A LOT more love in the character department.

Isaac: 5/10 Okay . Don't really know Golden Sun, but I do like the swordsman movesets so I'd probably be ok with him.

Incineroar: 6/10 There are other Pokémon I'd prefer, but I'm warming up to Baratiger. I think he would start to get a bit redundant with some of the other characters like Cap, but I wouldn't have a problem with it. Plus I was a HUGE fan of tigers as a kid (which is why Arcanine is my favorite mon ever - at least give Cena an Arcanine recolor?)

Isabelle: 7/10 I'd be happy to see her, but she's one of the characters I'd rather stay an echo. AC definitely deserves another character but another moveset may be tough to come up with since the Villager's pretty well covers everything. And I really want to see Ridley final smash her. And I REALLY want to see her run after everyone with the Death Scythe.

 

[Over9000BPM]

Did somebody say LEEK?

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

This is awesome.

They have kept a lot of the content hush-hush

 

[Loz18-Echo]

You're not listening to what I'm saying.

I'm saying don't listen to him but don't pretend a different leaker is any better or anything lol

I would agree verg has had a poor attitude but I would take his word before any other leaker out there right now.

 

[Misery Brick]

Fired ERSB guy says hi.

I'm talking about when it comes to claims as that's literally what I've mentioned. But yeah, I used a catch all term, my bad.
Also, it's a picture leak. It's in no way comparable to leakers like loz and Verge.

Even Ryce, for a different game mind you, basically leaked the entire roster of MvC:I and had all the descriptions of the stones down.
Yet Mind Stone was changed during development, and therefore he got some details wrong. Not major, but it still counts.
Same goes for the Gematsu leak, practically had the entire roster down except for a few characters, and got shot down to it being based off of outdated and incorrect info.