Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Chrono.]

What I love about Gamexplain is not how quickly the youtuber posts. The thing I love the most is how when they explain, they make it more clearer.

They should name themselves after how well they explain games.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I mean

I would personally prefer Dante (and classic Dante, not reboot Donte) as our third Capcom rep, but if it’s Ken (and yes, I count echoes) then so be it

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

But... so did we? What's your point?

I was just saying, they would have talked about it much earlier, since they seem to be generally informed enough.

I'm bored let's play A game
I really like the Smash Ultimate Stock Icons
List your Favorite SSBU Stock Icons (Not necessarily your favorite Characters)

Here's Mine
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[Deleted member]

I'm bored let's play A game
I really like the smash Ultimate Stock Icons
List your Favorite SSBU Stock Icons (Not necessarily your favorite Characters)

Here's Mine
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My favorites are probably these:

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Wario and Sonic look soooo good; Sonic's is straight up the Sonic Team logo! I love that they took the time to make cool minimalist vectors for the character stocks this go around. It's much better than having ultra compressed edits of the character renders like the old days, IMO.

 

[Loz18-Echo]

They should name themselves after how well they explain games.

Omg Game + Explain =Gamexplain wtf

 

[Pakky]

I'm bored let's play A game
I really like the smash Ultimate Stock Icons
List your Favorite SSBU Stock Icons (Not necessarily your favorite Characters)

Here's Mine
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[Chrono.]

Ken is my main in SF and one of my favorite fighting game characters.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want him, I just hope he gets his kicks.

 

[staindgrey]

but the fire

Isn't that big of a deal. Ken has been in every single Street Fighter game, unlike many other roster possibilities that finally get to be in a fighting game if they were to be included.

It's not that I dislike Ken at all. But Smash is a celebration of video game history and an opportunity to see various combatants that would never be "combatants" in the first place. It's cool that Ryu's in, since he's representing arguably the most influential fighting game series of all time, but we really don't need a second shoto just because he's easy to put in. You can already play Ken as a fighter in literally everything else labeled "Street Fighter".

Gimme echoes that aren't already fighters, please.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

So is the direct actually confirmed for thursday?

 

[Pakky]

Isn't that big of a deal. Ken has been in every single Street Fighter game, unlike many other roster possibilities that finally get to be in a fighting game if they were to be included.

It's not that I dislike Ken at all. But Smash is a celebration of video game history and an opportunity to see various combatants that would never be "combatants" in the first place. It's cool that Ryu's in, since he's representing arguably the most influential fighting game series of all time, but we really don't need a second shoto just because he's easy to put in. You can already play Ken as a fighter in literally everything else labeled "Street Fighter".

Gimme echoes that aren't already fighters, please.

CHUNNERS!

 

[Guynamednelson]

The thing that makes me wonder about Ken's inclusion is that no one really wanted him until the announcement of echo fighters. I'm sure prior to that the more desired SF characters were Chun-Li, Zangief, and Guile.

 

[Q-Long]

Ken is a pretty obvious shoe in,, Akuma has a high chance for being an echo too, just so they can have more baddies.

Or Sakurai might be a troll and put Dan.

 

[Deleted member]

Ken is in the same boat as Incineroar for me: I don't want him, but I won't be upset if we do get him. I'll be happy for those who are happy to get him.

That said...if we're getting another SF character, I'm still pushing for Zangief.

 

[Chrono.]

The thing that makes me wonder about Ken's inclusion is that no one really wanted him until the announcement of echo fighters. I'm sure prior to that the more desired SF characters were Chun-Li, Zangief, and Guile.

EDIT: Actually disregard this.

 

[Deleted member]

Ken is a pretty obvious shoe in,, Akuma has a high chance for being an echo too, just so they can have more baddies.

Or Sakurai might be a troll and put Dan.

They had to have replaced Ryu's pink-ish color with a purple one for a reason...

 

[7982Brick]

So is the direct actually confirmed for Thursday?

It's not coming Today, it's not coming tomorrow that leaves either Thursday or Friday and I know for a fact Friday isn't it. Like the splatoon 2 data miners said back in Sep 6 its coming on Thursday the 13.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Or Sakurai might be a troll and put Dan.

I think Ken is the only shoto who isn't too different to be an echo, but if Dan somehow gets in instead his final smash HAS to be the super taunt.

 

[Q-Long]

For me the perfect Street Fighter newcomer for me would be Zeku or Guy.

That way you represent Street Fighter, Strider, Final Fight, and just the general crossoverability of SF all in one character.

 

[Rockaphin]

The thing that makes me wonder about Ken's inclusion is that no one really wanted him until the announcement of echo fighters. I'm sure prior to that the more desired SF characters were Chun-Li, Zangief, and Guile.

I was that one guy on here that had Ken in my signature back during the Ryu and Roy leaks.

So saying no one offends me.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Isn't that big of a deal. Ken has been in every single Street Fighter game, unlike many other roster possibilities that finally get to be in a fighting game if they were to be included.

It's not that I dislike Ken at all. But Smash is a celebration of video game history and an opportunity to see various combatants that would never be "combatants" in the first place. It's cool that Ryu's in, since he's representing arguably the most influential fighting game series of all time, but we really don't need a second shoto just because he's easy to put in. You can already play Ken as a fighter in literally everything else labeled "Street Fighter".

Gimme echoes that aren't already fighters, please.

okay, lemme counter on this,

Ken is literally the original clone. if that's not influential to gaming history, I don't know what is. To add that in, he is a wanted Echo. I agree on other choices not deserving of being shafted (People shaft "More Pikmin Commanders" way too easily as Echo's/Alts) - 100% in total agreement, but, Ken's an insanely reasonable choice for gaming history and a joke that we know the dev team is probably not gonna miss out on.

 

[Nazyrus]

It's not coming Today, it's not coming tomorrow that leaves either Thursday or Friday and I know for a fact Friday isn't it. Like the splatoon 2 data miners said back in Sep 6 its coming on Thursday the 13.

Here's hoping…

 

[StormC]

If Ken got in I would have a character I actually like to use for Ryu's moveset.

 

[staindgrey]

okay, lemme counter on this,

Ken is literally the original clone. if that's not influential to gaming history, I don't know what is. To add that in, he is a wanted Echo. I agree on other choices not deserving of being shafted (People shaft "More Pikmin Commanders" way too easily as Echo's/Alts) - 100% in total agreement, but, Ken's an insanely reasonable choice for gaming history and a joke that we know the dev team is probably not gonna miss out on.

Oh no, I've been countered!

 

[92MilesPrower]

Here something fun:

What were you doing/do you remember doing during each Smash trailer.

Brawl: my friend emailed me a link to the video with one word: SNAAAAAAAAKE!!!

Sonic: I forgot

Smash 4: I stayed up to watch it and couldn’t fall asleep due to hype.

Rosalina: Stayed up to watch it next to our Christmas tree.

Little Mac: my wedding anniversary date. I watched it before I left to hand in our marriage documents.

Greninja: I forgot but I remember watching it by myself.

E3 2014: Stayed up to watch it. But my laptop broke half way.

Lucina and Robin: stayed up to watch it and ate pizza

Shulk: watched it with friends who weren’t Smash fans.

Ryu: forgot

Cloud: I had only one class that day to teach in the afternoon so I spent the morning fangasiming. It was like Christmas. And the next day I went to America with my wife to attend my sisters wedding. So I watched it again when I arrived.

Corrin and Bayonetta: watched it in the morning while on my way to work. I stopped at a supermarket parking.

Smash Ultimate Inkling: randomly visited Smashboards to find out I was a mod again. That led me find the trailer.

E3 2018: went to bed at 10 and woke up at 1 to watch it on mute. Didn’t want to wake up the baby.

Smash Ultimate Direct: Watched it in Australia while working as a chaperone for our students study abroad trip. Had crap internet at the hotel and took forever to watch it fully. K Rool was spoiled for me on this thread after I went in safari intending to search on how to make internet in Australia go faster. But opening Safari made this thread popped up and the first thing I saw was “KING K ROOOL!”

9/7/2018: we never did see it but it was scheduled for 7 am here. Plus, I had an office day so basically I could spend some of my day speculating and hyping with the rest of you. Was planning to watch it in the office lobby while drinking some coffee and eating a doughnut.

I don't remember every reaction and and where I was for each trailer, but here's what I remember: (I was just home for most of them as a high school student so these are mostly my reactions and thoughts)

E3 2013 & 2014: I was in school during both but got to watch afterwards, I was superhyped for Megaman during his reveal.

Rosalina: I was thinking it was Kirby coming to MK8, I was confused but pleasantly surprised.

Little Mac: I immediately caught on that it was him at the beginning of the trailer and got hyped for him, trailer was perfect for him.

Greninja: I thought he was Mewtwo until I realized he was charging Water Shuriken instead of Shadow Ball, before most people. I remember saying "I'm 100% gonna main him" first seeing the trailer, and he's one of my secondaries.

Lucas: As a Mother fanboy and a Lucas main in Brawl, I legitimately started tearing up. I was watching on our giant tv in the basement and slowly slid off the couch in shock.

Cloud: I was stuck watching some play for my Freshman seminar class or whatever class during the direct, I then watched it while eating dinner with my friend and I completely lost it at Cloud's reveal. I think I was a bit too loud though, lol.

Corrin and Bayonetta: I watched this either before a class, or before dinner, it was with commentary from Vinny and KY from the Two on the Vine podcast, Corrin was clearly an advertisement character that was pretty boring and earned the nickname Corn. Bayo was a surprise to a lot of people apparently but I didn't feel any hype whatsoever surrounding her, personally.

Smash Ultimate Teaser: I was expecting it to come eventually, but was pleasantly surprised to see it in the March direct.

E3 2018: I took my laptop into the basement with me to make sure I didn't disrupt my dad working since I'd likely end up yelling out of sheer hype. I didn't really get too loud, but was extremely hyped in general, Snake was a great surprise, ICs and Wolf were expected.

K. Rool: I was at max hype levels, having voted for him on the ballot, and was in denial that it was reality since my dream was finally fulfilled.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I'm still hoping to see Sakura Kasugano as Ryu's Echo at least...

I mean apparently back to last popularity poll Capcom made for the series, Sakura was voted no.1...

Besides I think she'd flow much better among the charming cast of Smash - most of them, that is.

 

[Pyra]

okay, lemme counter on this,

Ken is literally the original clone. if that's not influential to gaming history, I don't know what is. To add that in, he is a wanted Echo. I agree on other choices not deserving of being shafted (People shaft "More Pikmin Commanders" way too easily as Echo's/Alts) - 100% in total agreement, but, Ken's an insanely reasonable choice for gaming history and a joke that we know the dev team is probably not gonna miss out on.

Louie as Ryu echo confirmed

 

[Michele]

Wow, sites keep catching on and reporting on rumors. I googled nintendo direct and yes I was searching for the new sites in 1 hours. The first things that came were that Direct rumor, but second thing was about that rumor about a character that was supposed to be in the blog, but disappeared after the delay.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So is the direct actually confirmed for thursday?

Not yet, but signs point to "it may be coming".

I'm still hoping to see Sakura Kasugano as Ryu's Echo at least...

I mean apparently back to last popularity poll Capcom made for the series, Sakura was voted no.1...

Besides I think she'd flow much better among the charming cast of Smash - most of them, that is.

I mean, she makes the most sense, she is his fangirl, and all, how wouldn't her moves end up similar here.

 

[staindgrey]

I'm still hoping to see Sakura Kasugano as Ryu's Echo at least...

I mean apparently back to last popularity poll Capcom made for the series, Sakura was voted no.1...

Besides I think she'd flow much better among the charming cast of Smash - most of them, that is.

I adore Sakura, but I'm still shocked Makoto was number 2 and Q was number 4. And Cammy wasn't even in the top ten at all.

 

[Chrono.]

I'm still hoping to see Sakura Kasugano as Ryu's Echo at least...

I mean apparently back to last popularity poll Capcom made for the series, Sakura was voted no.1...

Besides I think she'd flow much better among the charming cast of Smash - most of them, that is.

The issue with Sakura being that her moveset is wildly different from Ryu's.

Her only similar move being her three specials, and even those are really different in execution. While Ken and Akuma have the same general toolkit and share normals with Ryu, and the differences in their special moves are more about properties.

 

[Deleted member]

I adore Sakura, but I'm still shocked Makoto was number 2 and Q was number 4. And Cammy wasn't even in the top ten at all.

Wondering if part of that may be because people thought the highly ranked characters would be in SFV eventually. Makoto's still absent and Q is...maybe G? I dunno, I know they share some moves and G has a Q esque costume or something.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The issue with Sakura being that her moveset is wildly different from Ryu's.

Her only similar move being her three specials, and even those are really different in execution. While Ken and Akuma have the same general toolkit and share normals with Ryu, and the differences in their special moves are more about properties.

Yeah, I kind of figured. But I guess I rather have more stylized take on Ryu's kit, even if that might fly in face of what Echoes are - and I prefer Sakura a bit over other two.

Probably this means I could hope her become a semiclone instead then - but IDK if she has much chance or priority with that.

 

[Pyra]

I'm still hoping to see Sakura Kasugano as Ryu's Echo at least...

I mean apparently back to last popularity poll Capcom made for the series, Sakura was voted no.1...

Besides I think she'd flow much better among the charming cast of Smash - most of them, that is.

Real talk?

That "back to top" button they have is pretty cute.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I adore Sakura, but I'm still shocked Makoto was number 2 and Q was number 4. And Cammy wasn't even in the top ten at all.

My gal Mika is in the 30ies, so it could be worse, and most voters don't realise the EX chars aren't in the series anymore.

Also, the fighters from the Street Fighter movie game somehow managed to get votes.

 

[MainJPW]

Here something fun:

What were you doing/do you remember doing during each Smash trailer.

Brawl: my friend emailed me a link to the video with one word: SNAAAAAAAAKE!!!

Sonic: I forgot

Smash 4: I stayed up to watch it and couldn’t fall asleep due to hype.

Rosalina: Stayed up to watch it next to our Christmas tree.

Little Mac: my wedding anniversary date. I watched it before I left to hand in our marriage documents.

Greninja: I forgot but I remember watching it by myself.

E3 2014: Stayed up to watch it. But my laptop broke half way.

Lucina and Robin: stayed up to watch it and ate pizza

Shulk: watched it with friends who weren’t Smash fans.

Ryu: forgot

Cloud: I had only one class that day to teach in the afternoon so I spent the morning fangasiming. It was like Christmas. And the next day I went to America with my wife to attend my sisters wedding. So I watched it again when I arrived.

Corrin and Bayonetta: watched it in the morning while on my way to work. I stopped at a supermarket parking.

Smash Ultimate Inkling: randomly visited Smashboards to find out I was a mod again. That led me find the trailer.

E3 2018: went to bed at 10 and woke up at 1 to watch it on mute. Didn’t want to wake up the baby.

Smash Ultimate Direct: Watched it in Australia while working as a chaperone for our students study abroad trip. Had crap internet at the hotel and took forever to watch it fully. K Rool was spoiled for me on this thread after I went in safari intending to search on how to make internet in Australia go faster. But opening Safari made this thread popped up and the first thing I saw was “KING K ROOOL!”

9/7/2018: we never did see it but it was scheduled for 7 am here. Plus, I had an office day so basically I could spend some of my day speculating and hyping with the rest of you. Was planning to watch it in the office lobby while drinking some coffee and eating a doughnut.

: Don’t remember. Watched it later in the dining room since that’s where the family cpu was. I think I was literally the only one that used it until I got a laptop. YouTube and MUGEN all day long. Anyway yeah... Snake was cool.
: Don’t remember. Watched it in the dining room when I heard about it. It’s SONIC THE ****ING HEDGEHOG!

Smash For: Watched E3 in my room. On my laptop.

: In my...new room. Moved to Texas a little bit after Brawl released. On the laptop. Noticed the Smash logo on the letter he dropped. Cool, cool.
: -H- Get equipped with HYPE!

: Don’t remember. Saw the trailer on YouTube and uhh... whatever. It’s a mannequin.
: Don’t remember. Might’ve been in Louisiana. Lol not a Peach clone.
: At school outside near the cafeteria. Cool, glad he got the upgrade he deserved.
- Don’t remember. Why did everyone think this was Mewtwo?

E3 2014: Watched it In my room. On my laptop.

Loved the Robot Chicken skits. So uhh... Reggie? WHERE’S MOTHER 3?!?

- Reggie vs. Iwata was hype. Palutena’s trailer was amazing. Pizza Slice Man was cool. Saw that one later of course.
:ultrobin- In the living room on my phone. Cool.
- Watched it during my art elective at school. On my phone. Cool. Expected because of Gematsu.
- Don’t remember. Game was already out so I didn’t give a ****.

50 Facts Extravaganza: I think I was at my house? It was alright. The Ridley salt was all over the boards. I remember commenting on the front page trying to calm people down lol.

- Got hyped for the prospect of DLC.
- Don’t remember. Game was already out so I’m just confused as to why they aren’t showing THESE ****ING TRAILERS BEFORE RELEASE. The trailer was cool.
- Home alone. In my trusty laptop. Couldn’t stop bouncing off the walls.
- Damn leaks. At someone else’s house.
- Don’t remember. Surprised like everyone else.
- Watching the stream in my new room after the move. The salt levels were at an all time high. Two characters I didn’t give a **** about.
- Room. Cared more about the Smash announcement. The Inklings were expected.
- Room. Laughed out loud at Daisy.
- Room. ****ING. RIDLEY.

NOT TOO BIG! NOT TOO BIG!

Smash Direct: Home somehow. I managed. Didn’t want to miss the Direct.

- Room. Cool trailer.
- Room. I was surprised at first but then I wasn’t. It’s ****ing Richter.
- Room. Chrom got his day. Damus. Whatever.
- In my room. HYPING THE **** OUT ALL OVER SMASHBOARDS!

I’m in my room a lot when news and Directs drop. I may or may not be in my room right this second.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

staindgrey ya I'd only want Ken in if he had different mechanics for his side and up b, and I'd want his hadouken to travel at an angle when fired from the air. Semi clone please, not echo.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Isn't that big of a deal. Ken has been in every single Street Fighter game, unlike many other roster possibilities that finally get to be in a fighting game if they were to be included.

It's not that I dislike Ken at all. But Smash is a celebration of video game history and an opportunity to see various combatants that would never be "combatants" in the first place. It's cool that Ryu's in, since he's representing arguably the most influential fighting game series of all time, but we really don't need a second shoto just because he's easy to put in. You can already play Ken as a fighter in literally everything else labeled "Street Fighter".

Gimme echoes that aren't already fighters, please.

I have several problems with this statement.

I don't want a any character just for the sake of them finally becoming playable in a fighting game. I want them in because it's freakin' Smash brothers.

Might as well scratch characters with 2D platforms since they get to shine in their respective 2D environments.

Smash is a celebration of not just nintendo but also of gaming as a whole like you just said. And be as it may, fighting games are a big part of it not to mention it is the genre that inspired smash after all. So having one extra fighting game character in a roster of 70+ characters isn't that big of a deal.

 

[RandomAce]

Ken is one of those characters where you look back and makes sense.

I don’t think Verg even needed to mention Ken, right when echoes were announced, he was one of the first characters brought up as an echo for Ryu because Ken is LITERALLY a Ryu clone and is in fact, what began the whole clone thing.

In my opinion, I think Ken is a more safe bet than Shadow, his history as a whole just makes him one of the first echoes the team probably came up with.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well the two days thing is lining up pretty good

Splatoon did a data mine the online got delayed to the 14th

So fits the bill

Plus a week delay sounds about right and they can’t hold out forever


Oh how do we know Wednesday is out (I’m guessing we would have seen the announcement earlier)

 

[staindgrey]

Wondering if part of that may be because people thought the highly ranked characters would be in SFV eventually. Makoto's still absent and Q is...maybe G? I dunno, I know they share some moves and G has a Q esque costume or something.

Yeah, the date lines up with four of the top five. Cody and Sakura both weren't announced for Season 3 yet at the time of the poll.

Juri's the only one who made it despite being in SFV already. But she's got... other assets on her side to help with an anonymous internet fan poll.