Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Iridium]

Wasn't it revealed there'd be 300 stages though?

Only including Battlefield and Omega versions.

Edit: FD.

 

[Michele]

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Anyone else seen this? This may be old news, But i just now heard about it.

This was already shown in Smash page.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

This was already shown in Smash page.

Never mind

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ah understood. Well based on the spaces on the stage selection screen. We should probably expect a few more whether new or returning.

Still pulling for Bowser's Castle and Gangplank Galleon.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I'm still of the mind it will probably be a Pokemon.

Maybe multiple if I dare to dream.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Personally, I'm not convinced we're even getting more stages to be frank.

Between this:

And barring Isaac and Banjo, most of the 'front runners' for predictions that people would want don't even need a new stage, and if neither Ridley or K.Rool got one.... I'm just not expecting anymore 'new' stages right now.

I have to be honest, I don't exactly trust them with Smash Ultimate speculation right now. Especially with that Rate Their Chances thing that happened after August 8th.

 

[Iridium]

Bruh, I'd love him as a Bowser Jr. alt. I prefer him to Bowser Jr and the Koopa kids, I'm serious.

So, whose idea was it to create him? Basically a dead character now.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I honestly just want them to announce the date they intend to premier the Direct. It would make it easier if I knew when to expect it. The undecidedness kills me...

 

[Shroob]

I have to be honest, I don't exactly trust them with Smash Ultimate speculation right now. Especially with that Rate Their Chances thing that happened after August 8th.

There's a big difference between:


One person's opinion on a character, which most likely includes personal bias

and

Translating what Sakurai himself says

 

[staindgrey]

Personally for the konami roster I would think about replacing one character with Yugi from Yu-Gi-Oh!.

Yugi? Psh. You want the pharaoh.

 

[Iridium]

Yugi? Psh. You want the pharaoh.

Joey would annoy everyone until they lose.

 

[Over9000BPM]

Joey would annoy everyone until they lose.

Nyeh?

 

[Michele]

Yugi? Psh. You want the pharaoh.

Honest thought, he would work 100% in the Smash game, because he would be the first card character. Unfortunately he's anime so...

 

[Malkior7]

I honestly just want them to announce the date they intend to premier the Direct. It would make it easier if I knew when to expect it. The undecidedness kills me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnAQ5UFdpNw

this is still up so they could be using this for that purpose perhaps?

 

[Iridium]

Nyeh?

Tea? Tristan? I'm not sure seeing them in Smash wouldn't be funny.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I've always been surprised by how Japan's media is so reactive to disasters. The closest thing I can remember ever happening in the United States was when the Spider-Man film removed the World Trade Center scene after the events of 09/11. Otherwise, companies pretty much always move ahead with scheduled releases and conferences and such no matter what is happening in the country or internationally. To be clear, I'm not criticizing Nintendo or any of the other Japanese companies that have cancelled or altered plans in response to current events in the country. I merely wonder why things are handled so differently over there. Is it a simple matter of ethics, where their companies are much more sensitive than Western ones (or perhaps cultural expectations to "pay respects" through business decisions)? Is it due to the size of Japan meaning that almost any natural disaster is going to prevent a sizable percent of domestic consumers to be unable to access the media? My familiarity with Japanese culture is limited, so I can only speculate. Does anyone happen to actually know the reason for this difference between corporate responses to disasters here and in Japan?

They even went to the trouble of cutting out the Arsenal Gear crashing into NYC scene from Metal Gear Solid 2, after 9/11 happened.

 

[Iridium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnAQ5UFdpNw

this is still up so they could be using this for that purpose perhaps?

37 minutes? If wrong, or just left there, then 2,561 people are waiting.

Edit: And a little more now.

 

[Shroob]

Going off of the "Expected 5/6" or whatever people choose to call them...

Echoes don't require a new stage, so there's that, so going into the big 5/6 of characters and stages:


Isaac: Would need a stage

Bandanna Dee: Wouldn't need a stage

Incineroar: Wouldn't need a stage

Banjo+Kazooie: Would need a stage

Skull Kid: Wouldn't need a stage

Geno: Depends, I say he wouldn't need a stage, but it's completely dependent on how he's handled.


Skull Kid and Dee have multiple stages they could use as their 'home' stage.

Incineroar SHOULD by all intensive purposes get an Alola-themed stage, but he doesn't 'need' one.

Banjo and Isaac would definitely need a new stage.

Geno's the odd one here. If he's treated as a special guest, I could see him get a stage. If he's just a Mario character, he doesn't technically 'need' one.

 

[staindgrey]

Honest thought, he would work 100% in the Smash game, because he would be the first card character. Unfortunately he's anime so...

Funny enough, I only got introduced to Yugioh because of a GBA game. I was on a family road trip and my little brother was obsessed with Yugioh, and really wanted me to play the card game with him. So I borrowed his GBA game and played it on the car ride to understand how the game worked.

It's never been my favorite series, but I played with him and watched the first couple seasons with Pegasus and Merric and it was just stupid enough to be really entertaining. Whole reason I watched any at all though was that dumb little GBA game.

 

[dezeray112]

The previous conversations really got me thinking.

What if the other companies were the once who came up with the smash formula? How would their character roster look like? And what kind of content would the games contain?

I'm bored in anticipation to the direct so I decided to give it a shot.

I narrowed every companies roster size to 12 characters with everyone having 4 unlockable characters akin to the original Smash. Two of those 4 unlockables are from franchises represented by 2 starter characters.

Note that i'm not THAT familiar with every company.

Spoiler: SEGA

Starter: Alex Kidd, Gillius, Sonic the Hedgehog, Akira Yuki, Nights, AiAi, Kiryu Kazuma, Billy Hatcher.
Unlockable: Tails, Axel Stone, Goro Majima, Bayonetta.

Spoiler: Capcom

Starter: Arthur, Ryu, Mega Man, Strider Hiryu, Jill Valentine, Dante, Amaterasu, Frank West.
Unlockable: Chun-Li, Leon S. Kennedy, Phoenix Wright, Monster Hunter.

Spoiler: Namco

Starter: Pac-Man, Dig Dug, Heihachi Mishima, Nightmare, Lloyd Irving, Kite, KOS-MOS, Alisa Illinichina Amiella.
Unlockable: Jin Kazama, Ivy Valentine, Klonoa, Prince.

Spoiler: Konami

Starter: Frogger, Bomberman, TwinBee, Simon Belmont, Bill Rizer, Solid Snake, Bonk, Yugo Ogami.
Unlockable: Goemon, Alucard, Raiden, Pyramid Head.

Spoiler: Square

Starter: Erdrick, Cloud Strife, Crono, Raziel, Lara Croft, Agent 47, Sora, Neku.
Unlockable: Slime, Tifa Lockhart, Gex, Rico Rodriguez.

Even placed them in chronological order by series as how they would appear on the CSS!
Dedication, I know.



Also... all this! Way harder than I first thought!

I'll give this a go too.

Spoiler: SEGA

Starter: Sonic the Hedgehog, AiAi, Beat, Ulala, Joe Musashi, Akira Yuki, Gillius Thunderhead, Billy Hatcher.
Unlockable: Sarah Bryant, Shadow the Hedgehog, Axel Stone, Alex Kidd.

Spoiler: CAPCOM

Starter: Megaman, Ryu, Chun-Li, Jill Valentine, Arthur, Strider Hiryu, Dante, Monster Hunter.
Unlockable: Zero, Morrigan Aensland, Phoenix Wright, M. Bison.

Spoiler: NAMCO

Starter: Pac-Man, Heihachi Mishima, Sophitia Alexandria, Lloyd Irving, Dig Dug, KOS-MOS, Klonoa, Bravoman.
Unlockable: Alisa (God Eater), Jin Kazama, Yuri Lowell, Nightmare.

Spoiler: KONAMI

Starter: Solid Snake, Simon Belmont, Bomberman, Twinbee, Yugo, Reiko Hinomoto, Goemon, Frogger.
Unlockable: Astronots (Rakuga Kids), Alucard, Moai, Power Pro Kun.

Spoiler: SQUARE-ENIX

Starter: Cloud Strife, Aya Brea, Slime, Neku, Fei Fong Wong, Sora, Neku, Caim.
Unlockable: Noctis, Sephiroth, Lara Croft, Eve.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

37 minutes? If wrong, or just left there, then 2,561 people are waiting.

And then...The direct started early. Nah just kiddin' They'll probably fix it.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I honestly just want them to announce the date they intend to premier the Direct. It would make it easier if I knew when to expect it. The undecidedness kills me...

Atleast we know we are getting one this month and it's not like pre-E3 / July.

I'd say wait until the direct timer goes off to see if they update it there. Otherwise honestly they will probably announce it the day before like they always do and be glad it'll probably be next week.

 

[Over9000BPM]

Funny enough, I only got introduced to Yugioh because of a GBA game. I was on a family road trip and my little brother was obsessed with Yugioh, and really wanted me to play the card game with him. So I borrowed his GBA game and played it on the car ride to understand how the game worked.

It's never been my favorite series, but I played with him and watched the first couple seasons with Pegasus and Merric and it was just stupid enough to be really entertaining. Whole reason I watched any at all though was that dumb little GBA game.

Stairway to the destined duel?

 

[Paperchampion23]

And then...The direct started early. Nah just kiddin' They'll probably fix it.

It's just there for exposure i think. The text says it has been postponed even though the stream is still running.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I have to be honest, I don't exactly trust them with Smash Ultimate speculation right now. Especially with that Rate Their Chances thing that happened after August 8th.

That video’s not even speculation. It’s just directly translating something Sakurai says to prove he never said there would be more stages.

 

[Deoxys911]

Incineroar SHOULD by all intensive purposes get an Alola-themed stage, but he doesn't 'need' one.

It's "for all intents and purposes." Never take your knowledge of popular expressions for granite.

 

[NintendoKnight]

Let's hope the new Direct date is addressed in the Japan only livestream this evening.

Man, Japan's hit by a major earthquake and I'm over here in California and I can say that we're literally "on fire" right now. Geez, can't these disasters just not happen? At least for just a few years? Is that so much to ask?

 

[staindgrey]

Stairway to the destined duel?

I honestly couldn't tell you. This was like 17 years ago.

I Googled what the cartridge looked like on all the GBA games though and I think Stairway is the one I played.

 

[Paperchampion23]

The direct was postponed at 3am EST or 4pm Japan time. It may be logical to assume we could get an update on it then (about 9.5 hours from now) or over the next few days if that's when they'll make it public.

But perhaps it's not a set time they say, so it could be at any point lol

 

[Guybrush20X6]

My best guesses are Tuesday and Thursday next week.

And it's all dependant on the aftershocks and clean-up.

Does anyone have any donation links to help those effected?

 

[monadoboy]

Agreed! Although the Delay is a bummer. I think Nintendo did the right thing.

As someone who was ****ed over for months by Hurricane Maria and missed a metric ton of FEH content I fully support the decision.
The situation sucks, and having that feeling of missing out on stuff you love makes things harder, because the thing you used to rely on for stress relief becomes another source of stress. The last thing I wanted to happen during that time was a Direct announcement.

 

[Sharkarat]

Yeah, it started as a manga after all.

Konami only owns the OCG and TCG.

Thanks for correcting me, I was misremembering. Shueisha owns it, but Konami just has lisences for pretty much everything except the manga (this Includes Cardgame, videogames and the anime)

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

My best guesses are Tuesday and Thursday next week.

And it's all dependant on the aftershocks and clean-up.

Does anyone have any donation links to help those effected?

Geez. That's really kind of you to donate.

 

[Handy Man]

I'm guessing they won't say what day and time it will air on until at least next Monday. It seems like they want this upcoming weekend to pass over first before they commit to anything, as the earthquakes are still on-going. With that said, I do think it will air sometime next week before the Friday of.

 

[Over9000BPM]

I honestly couldn't tell you. This was like 17 years ago.

I Googled what the cartridge looked like on all the GBA games though and I think Stairway is the one I played.

I loved that game so much... so many hours lost

 

[zeldasmash]

As someone who was ****ed over for months by Hurricane Maria and missed a metric ton of FEH content I fully support the decision.
The situation sucks, and having that feeling of missing out on stuff you love makes things harder, because the thing you used to rely on for stress relief becomes another source of stress. The last thing I wanted to happen during that time was a Direct announcement.

You and me both, man. Maria was 3 months of horribleness day after day and the political corruption didn't help either.

 

[Will]

Someone tell me what's been going on today, I've been seeing a lot of news and have no idea what's going on.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I've always been surprised by how Japan's media is so reactive to disasters. The closest thing I can remember ever happening in the United States was when the Spider-Man film removed the World Trade Center scene after the events of 09/11. Otherwise, companies pretty much always move ahead with scheduled releases and conferences and such no matter what is happening in the country or internationally. To be clear, I'm not criticizing Nintendo or any of the other Japanese companies that have cancelled or altered plans in response to current events in the country. I merely wonder why things are handled so differently over there. Is it a simple matter of ethics, where their companies are much more sensitive than Western ones (or perhaps cultural expectations to "pay respects" through business decisions)? Is it due to the size of Japan meaning that almost any natural disaster is going to prevent a sizable percent of domestic consumers to be unable to access the media? My familiarity with Japanese culture is limited, so I can only speculate. Does anyone happen to actually know the reason for this difference between corporate responses to disasters here and in Japan?

Community.

Japan is a small country if you are to compare it but made almost entirely of Japanese. However, each region has its distinct culture, history, and even dialect which is crazy since two villages will have two distinct dialects when all that is separating them is a single mountain range.

Despite that, there is a sense of community and the idea that “we all go through it together”. The whole country has a moment of silence for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Tohoku.

However, Japan is also big enough where people far from the disaster feel little effect from it and carry on with thier lives. But I think that’s uniformal worldwide. Still though, the community is important.

This recent decision by Nintendo and other instances from companies reflect this community culture. Kuzuna or “bonds” is also important since Nintendo, as a company that interacts with the public through entertainment goods, feels connected to them. My father-in-law saw most of his house damaged by the Kumamoto earthquake but instead of repairing his house first (being an architect and landscaper by trade), he helped repair three other houses around him first. That’s because of “Kuzuna”. I suspect that Nintendo wants to show support to those affected by the earthquake and one way was to bring the focus away from a Direct and to the disaster in order to help the community.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-16321999

 

[Fenriraga]

Wait, Nintendo's doing a livestream later tonight? What's that about? Was that something we knew about prior to the direct?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If this is the case I'm relatively surprised. Don't you think they'd let people take their time to mourn and attend funerals before doing such a thing? I think this is rushing things...