Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[OurBraveHero]

Shadow is also vastly different at times too. The biggest thing is they don't run remotely the same. Shadow is also overall faster, but he has rocket skates, a pretty key point to his character design. Another thing is, his chaos abilities are a pretty major thing, and unlike Sonic Wind, Chaos Spear evolved as a much more useful move(Sonic Wind somewhat did in Sonic Battle, but nowhere to the same degree as the chaos powers).

Regardless, he works fine as an echo, but I think he'll have chaos aesthetics to be far more accurate overall. That, and a new running animation.

Yeah I'm definitely guessing he'll be a Chrom-style echo with changes to a couple of moves and a different final smash. Maybe something cinematic where he uses Chaos Control and then tackles through whoever it captures as Super Shadow?

 

[Nethermoosen]

If anyone were to get separated as an Echo Fighter it sure as hell wouldn’t be Shadow in all honesty.

He plays exactly like Sonic in his own series, they have the same skills, stats the works.

They’re like literally the textbook definitions of Echos.

If you mean the homing attack, spindashes, possibly the spring, yeah. They are.

That said, Sonic was expanded upon quite a bit to fill out his input slots as a Smash fighter. Where Sonic kicks, Shadow has jets. Where Sonic punches, Shadow could condense energy(like in Sonic Fighters). Shadow’s first appearance in the villain playthrough of Sonic Adventure 2 shows him hovering in midair. Shadow can also use singular Chaos Emeralds to manipulate time and space.

They do play exactly the same(although run animations were slightly differed mechanically) in most iterations, but he could easily be expanded upon creatively.

I’m guessing no, because of the reasons you list above. But it is something to consider that in other titles, Sonic and Shadow have had major gameplay differences, especially in Sonic fighters and Shadow’s own game.

 

[Chrono.]

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Lol

Another bad leak

Funny, I was just listening to Westopolis and thinking it'd be a sick a track in Smash lol.

I'll give this game plenty of **** but the soundtrack is mostly fire.

 

[MainJPW]

Shadow has used Springs before in the Sonic series so that wouldn’t even be an issue

You could use that same logic for Tails or... any playable character in the Sonic series really. Even the character in my avi has used springs.

 

[WallyPalmer]

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Fairly self-explanatory tier list.
Rate my tastes and also post your own.

Template: https://randallstrife.github.io/smash-apps/tier/

Here's mine. I think it's fairly obvious where my preferences lie.

Spoiler

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Final Rush remix in Shadow was the most underrated song in the game

I appreciate the Hideki Naganuma influence @ 1:23

 

[NintenZ]

You could use that same logic for Tails or... any playable character in the Sonic series really. Even the character in my avi has used springs.

I mean pretty much, Springs are a staple of the series so numerous characters using them isn’t surprising.

I’m just trying to say why keeping Sonic’s Up-B wouldn’t necessarily be out of character for Shadow.

 

[Zinith]

I can't do one of those tier lists yet as I'm at work.

 

[NintenZ]

I can't do one of those tier lists yet as I'm at work.

It’s so late at night tho, how do you work this late? :^]

 

[Zinith]

It’s so late at night tho, how do you work this late? :^]

I take it you know I live on the West Coast.

I work late because reasons...

 

[Enchess]

I can't do one of those tier lists yet as I'm at work.

Ive been a bit confused on something. Do you work as a Yoshi or with Yoshis?

 

[Noipoi]

I can't do one of those tier lists yet as I'm at work.

What the heck are you doing at one in the morning?

 

[Zinith]

What the heck are you doing at one in the morning?

It's 10:22 pm where I'm at. I work till midnight

 

[Abha]

What the heck are you doing at one in the morning?

Making fake leaks because I've lost control of my life

 

[Enchess]

What the heck are you doing at one in the morning?

Whatcha talkin bout Willis, it's not even 10:30

 

[NintenZ]

I take it you know I live on the West Coast.

I work late because reasons...

Yeah I figured, I’m from the East Coast so it’s 1:23 where I am.

I’ll probably get some sleep soon... Eventually...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I made my own "Characters I'll play as" Tier list:

Doing this only made me realize just how many characters are in this game. And we're only getting more.

This is truly the Ultimate Smash Brothers game.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If you mean the homing attack, spindashes, possibly the spring, yeah. They are.

That said, Sonic was expanded upon quite a bit to fill out his input slots as a Smash fighter. Where Sonic kicks, Shadow has jets. Where Sonic punches, Shadow could condense energy(like in Sonic Fighters). Shadow’s first appearance in the villain playthrough of Sonic Adventure 2 shows him hovering in midair. Shadow can also use singular Chaos Emeralds to manipulate time and space.

They do play exactly the same(although run animations were slightly differed mechanically) in most iterations, but he could easily be expanded upon creatively.

I’m guessing no, because of the reasons you list above. But it is something to consider that in other titles, Sonic and Shadow have had major gameplay differences, especially in Sonic fighters and Shadow’s own game.

Sonic Battle, not Sonic fighters. Sonic The Fighters is a Classic game that stars the various characters, before the Adventure saga starts. Amy isn't aged up yet, as she's still Amy Rosey The Rascal, plus it also has Bark the Polar Bear in it. And so on. Sonic Battle is a modern game among the Adventure saga that also references Heroes(as it was developed during the same time) and happens clearly after it and likely after Shadow The Hedgehog(Shadow being completely wiped out and his abilities are vastly weakened variants from his own game. Chaos Burst does however get remade into Chaos Blast later on, but they're effectively the same move anyway. So it works well story-wise).

Regardless, Shadow is an interesting character in many ways. Did you know he punches like Sonic in Sonic X? Sonic and him get into DBZ-esque battles during the Adventure 2 saga(minus Super Mode), but even they fight against eachother in Super Mode during the Metarex Saga. It's kind of crazy what the anime did, which also made Shadow so vastly overpowered that the only reason he stopped fighting for a while was due to using up his energy very very fast.

 

[Enchess]

It's 10:22 pm where I'm at. I work till midnight

Time zone buddies

 

[TMNTSSB4]

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Lol

Another bad leak

They could’ve atleast put those retro stages with the game generation they came from

 

[Bestmand902]

Yo what if our rumored new SE rep is Gex? I mean, Square Enix owns Crystal Dynamics, Gex would be totally viable!

 

[Noipoi]

It's 10:22 pm where I'm at. I work till midnight

Whatcha talkin bout Willis, it's not even 10:30

Oh yeah, I forgot you're west cost plebs.

i've actually never been to the western side of America, that's pretty wacky.

 

[MojoRobo]

Now that I got my boring tier list out of the way, here's an entirely serious tier list for what each character would order at Arby's.

(Totally stolen tier names from a Blazblue Cross Tag Battle meme)

 

[NintenZ]

But name a less-convincing more slapped together Ultimate Leak than the one shown tonight, I’ll wait, I’m all ears.

Seriously though I’m amazed by how poor an attempt this was since it’s literally a screenshot lmao.

 

[Abha]

Yo what if our rumored new SE rep is Gex? I mean, Square Enix owns Crystal Dynamics, Gex would be totally viable!

Then after all of these years it's finally Tail Time

 

[Zinith]

Ive been a bit confused on something. Do you work as a Yoshi or with Yoshis?

Ho boy, you can only IMAGINE how happy I'd be in that circumstance

 

[NintenZ]

Yo what if our rumored new SE rep is Gex? I mean, Square Enix owns Crystal Dynamics, Gex would be totally viable!

As cool as that would be people would lose their **** if it wasn’t Geno at this point, there’s just been so much buildup.

 

[Enchess]

Oh yeah, I forgot you're west cost plebs.

i've actually never been to the western side of America, that's pretty wacky.

I've barely been here a month. Its weird getting use to the different times things come on TV and such.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

On the subject of those 4chan screenshots, I find it insulting to the people who created the actual renders for the characters currently in the game that fans would view the quality of the fake renders as "believable".

Though I still think Agnes Oblige has a huge chance of being in the game. That game was insanely successful and Nintendo had a huge hand in it's western publishing, plus there was a sequel in the works by the time Ultimate was being made.

I sure hope she does get in. She's the most likely "second square enix rep" of them all, if you ask me. I sure would love to be right again about a third party newcomer that most people weren't expecting.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Ho boy, you can only IMAGINE how happy I'd be in that circumstance

Anyone else get the feeling Zinith’s job is borderline illegal?

 

[Bestmand902]

As cool as that would be people would lose their **** if it wasn’t Geno at this point, there’s just been so much buildup.

Oh I have no doubts it's Geno or Slime, I'm just saying it'd be hilarious if it ended up being Gex XD

 

[Zinith]

Now that I got my boring tier list out of the way, here's an entirely serious tier list for what each character would order at Arby's.
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(Totally stolen tier names from a Blazblue Cross Tag Battle meme)

*Kirby and Yoshi in a tier that doesn't involve eating EVERYTHING at the restaurant*
Definite meme alright

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

As cool as that would be people would lose their **** if it wasn’t Geno at this point, there’s just been so much buildup.

...There's been no real buildup other than the fact Sakurai wants him in(the costume isn't real buildup). Nothing has gone on among SE to imply this. A leak isn't the same thing as fact. Sakurai hasn't done anything among Ultimate to build it up.

Not that I think Gex would do much of anything, as he's not nearly that memorable, but I can't imagine we'd get a non-major SE secondary character. Whether from DQ(Slime, Edrick, Eight, the three biggest options), another FF(or just VII) character, or... nah, that's kind of it. Like, nobody else would give a super amount of hype in the same way. Geno is among these guys for majorly hype-worthy.

 

[MojoRobo]

*Kirby and Yoshi in a tier that doesn't involve eating EVERYTHING at the restaurant*
Definite meme alright

I was constrained by the boundaries of the original meme, but only for this tier list.

 

[Idon]

Now that I got my boring tier list out of the way, here's an entirely serious tier list for what each character would order at Arby's.
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(Totally stolen tier names from a Blazblue Cross Tag Battle meme)

I'll have you know Lucina only cries when in the presence of her dad. Who goes everywhere with her.

... being a dad is hard.

 

[Izayoi]

One of those up top are not like the others....

Anyway. This is my own personal list of "interest levels" thus far. It's subject to change once we finally get our hands on the game. But the Fire Emblem roster's spots are locked there for sure.

 

[Shroob]

Regardless of there being a "Big 3/holy trinity" or not:

Geno, and Isaac are probably the last two characters who have had incredibly vocal fanbases going wayyyyy back.


Even without these two, the roster is already fantastic, but with these two?

We'd be living in a reality where this is more or less canon:

 

[Abha]

I don't know if i'm ready to live in a world where K.rool, Ridley, Geno, and Isaac could all make it into Ultimate.

 

[Hinata]

>Sees people posting interest tier lists
>Bayonetta is at the bottom of all of them so far

Yup, sounds about right...

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

On the subject of those 4chan screenshots, I find it insulting to the people who created the actual renders for the characters currently in the game that fans would view the quality of the fake renders as "believable".

Though I still think Agnes Oblige has a huge chance of being in the game. That game was insanely successful and Nintendo had a huge hand in it's western publishing, plus there was a sequel in the works by the time Ultimate was being made.

I sure hope she does get in. She's the most likely "second square enix rep" of them all, if you ask me. I sure would love to be right again about a third party newcomer that most people weren't expecting.

WE'RE STILL ON THIS?