Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[pupNapoleon]

Shower thought: what if Heihachi was indeed planned for Ultimate, but because they couldn’t record lines before the VO passed away, they decided that we’ll be getting KOS-MOS instead?

And yes I’m aware that they could just reuse voice clips for Heihachi, but they’d probably want trailer only spoken dialogue for him like with Ryu. And recasting is too soon for Heihachi imo

Um...

Am I misreading this, or is that a huge leap in logic? "I cannot eat a sandwich because of my gluten allergy, so my dinner tonight will just be candy bars."
I don't understand what youre saying. How is Kos-mos related to Heihachi?

 

[NintenZ]

But yeah I agree that a Direct announcement makes a lot of sense for this week, it’s the beginning of Fall ya know, we’re gearing up for the Holiday season where major video games usually come out so announcements around this time make a ton of sense.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Um...

Am I misreading this, or is that a huge leap in logic? "I cannot eat a sandwich because of my gluten allergy, so my dinner tonight will just be candy bars."
I don't understand what youre saying. How is Kos-mos related to Heihachi?

They’re both owned by Bandai Namco, so

 

[Sharkarat]

Zelda might also just not have a Hilda color because they just didn't care enough. Like none of Ganondorf's reference anything well. Even his blue skin one (Ganon) the armor isn't colored to fit any of Ganon's designs.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Sometimes, characters don't get alt costumes you would expect them to have. I don't think the absence of a Hilda color is a good point in favor of, or against Hilda.


Didn't the Dante guy not have any identifier, so literally anyone could've added the Smash info? I don't remember, so feel free to correct me.

I do recall that being the main element of suspicion, but people started saying he posted both the Dante info and the Smash info like back to back. To the point many were arguing no one could react that quickly and throw their own bs info. Later on someone asked him for more detail and he gave them the whole "he fights rathalos to save the fire emblem guys", but that could've been anybody.

Honestly its up in the air, but at the very least, if Dante does happen, I wouldn't as surprised as I originally would've been.

 

[pupNapoleon]

But yeah I agree that a Direct announcement makes a lot of sense for this week, it’s the beginning of Fall ya know, we’re gearing up for the Holiday season where major video games usually come out so announcements around this time make a ton of sense.

Also, we have the Online service coming.
We are getting a direct. if it is not this week, its next week.
I dont think its debatable, the only bigger guarantee is E3, and even that seems like less of a guarantee to me.

They’re both owned by Bandai Namco, so

I dont recall a third party character that made it in because the source company needed a character.
I remember third parties making waves in the world and then being pulled into inclusion.
And also I remember Bayonetta.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Here's my problem with that;

I think even the echoes are characters with notable followings. Daisy, Chrom, Dark Samus? They're still pretty popular.

I don't think Gothitelle is even "important" enough for that.

And that's why even if Gardevoir actually happens, I'm extremely doubtful of Gothielle even being a blimp on Sakurai's radar (and also why I think Hilda is an absurd prospect), however my point still stands though that if this scenario actually happened, another gen 5 candidate would need to be a workable Echo to be in Gothielle's place.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Zelda might also just not have a Hilda color because they just didn't care enough. Like none of Ganondorf's reference anything well. Even his blue skin one (Ganon) the armor isn't colored to fit any of Ganon's designs.

Also, maybe the creators thought they looked similar enough, and a recolor stole from Hilda's character. So it was just cut.
We dont have Pokemon or Sonic characters with (good) recolors because of The Pokemon Company and Sega, respectively, who wanted to maintain the image of the original characters.

 

[Deleted member]

You guys do realize Heihachi's VA died this year, right? His voice lines would have been recorded ling ago if he was in

Anyways, this sounded better on my head
Me trying to find evidence in favor of Phoenix Wright

I mean the Phillips CDI and Tearring Saga must count right?

No idea what the first is and Tearring Saga is still not FE

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What days of the week are directs usually on? I know they’re not weekends, but are Thursdays or Fridays a possibility? Basically any working day?

 

[?????????????]

And that's why even if Gardevoir actually happens, I'm extremely doubtful of Gothielle even being a blimp on Sakurai's radar (and also why I think Hilda is an absurd prospect), however my point still stands though that if this scenario actually happened, another gen 5 candidate would need to be a workable Echo to be in Gothielle's place.

In that hypothetical scenario, yes. But I think that's a hypothetical scenario that's a bit ridiculous lol

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You guys do realize Heihachi's VA died this year, right? His voice lines would have been recorded ling ago if he was in

Anyways, this sounded better on my head
Me trying to find evidence in favor of Phoenix Wright


No idea what the first is and Tearring Saga is still not FE

Shish you can't delude yourself into thinking EO is good AND delude yourself that Hotel Mario and the Unholy Triforce don't exist, pick one

 

[pupNapoleon]

So I know Rayman being announced for Brawlhalla yesterday is old news...
But I've thought about it, and my new conclusion is:
It "helps his chances" (as much as "chances" are a thing, meaning, speculation phrase-ology).

If Ubisoft owns the game...why wouldnt Rayman have been in Brawlhalla earlier?
Perhaps Rayman made the game to specifically remind us of his hype and ability. And perhaps this is to bring him back into the spotlight for a moment before his reveal in Smash.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

You guys do realize Heihachi's VA died this year, right? His voice lines would have been recorded ling ago if he was in

Anyways, this sounded better on my head
Me trying to find evidence in favor of Phoenix Wright


No idea what the first is and Tearring Saga is still not FE

Don't feel discouraged, I don't think anyone would argue Dante makes more sense to be in smash than Phoenix does, but we live in crazy times.

 

[papagenos]

I do recall that being the main element of suspicion, but people started saying he posted both the Dante info and the Smash info like back to back. To the point many were arguing no one could react that quickly and throw their own bs info. Later on someone asked him for more detail and he gave them the whole "he fights rathalos to save the fire emblem guys", but that could've been anybody.

Honestly its up in the air, but at the very least, if Dante does happen, I wouldn't as surprised as I originally would've been.

this, it was two separate posts with no identifier but they were very quick to post the smash info and not have the original poster say something like "wow that second part wasnt me", but we have matt walker saying straight up dante is not in smash... i dont know if we could get a more solid disconfirmation of a character.

even if we assume he's just lying i think he wouldnt be able to do that because any kind of NDA would not only want him to keep it a secret about the character being in smash it also wouldn't want him killing any hype or buzz about it potentially happening, which saying "no" would do.

 

[Michele]

What days of the week are directs usually on? I know they’re not weekends, but are Thursdays or Fridays a possibility? Basically any working day?

It will happen always on either Thursday/Friday

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Greninja got in because it is what TPC wanted.
Which is just about always true.
It's not possible to compare what happens with Pokemon, in and out of Smash, to any other series.
It is its own entity for far too many reasons.

Sakurai explicitly stated that he was given concept arts of the three Gen VI starter Pokemon. He liked Greninja the most, so that's who he went with. He never mentioned that TPC wanted him to use Greninja.

I don't know where you got me comparing Pokemon to another franchise from either, since I didn't mention any other series.

 

[Deleted member]

But yeah I agree that a Direct announcement makes a lot of sense for this week, it’s the beginning of Fall ya know, we’re gearing up for the Holiday season where major video games usually come out so announcements around this time make a ton of sense.

Not to mention Nintendo still says that they have more stuff to reveal for the fall season, we still have those rumors about New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, the Online Service is like, right around the corner, not a lot of time to reveal more Smash content, like without a doubt we're getting a Direct this Thursday.

Also, I'd like to remind y'all that even with time zones, there'd still be time for every country to catch up. The March 8th direct was announced a day or two here in America, and it was the same thing in Japan, just classified as "Nintendo Direct 2018.3.9".

 

[Sephazon]

Remember Pokémon Græy? How about Animal Crossing U? Surely we can all remember when Capcom released Mega Man 10 in 2010.

The only concrete rules in gaming are made by fans, and can always be broken by the developers themselves. I try not to make hard predictions because of how volatile the gaming industry is.

That said, I do believe the next Nintendo Direct will be a mini one with its sole focus on Nintendo’s online service. I cannot see it going beyond about ten minutes. No game information will be presented, including for Super Smash Bros. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

But yeah I agree that a Direct announcement makes a lot of sense for this week, it’s the beginning of Fall ya know, we’re gearing up for the Holiday season where major video games usually come out so announcements around this time make a ton of sense.

The chances for a Direct this week or next week are pretty good. It fits what they've done in the past, but Nintendo isn't one for consistent patterns, so I honestly don't know what to think, lol. I think I'll probably go back and forth until it actually happens.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

this, it was two separate posts with no identifier but they were very quick to post the smash info and not have the original poster say something like "wow that second part wasnt me", but we have matt walker saying straight up dante is not in smash... i dont know if we could get a more solid disconfirmation of a character.

even if we assume he's just lying i think he wouldnt be able to do that because any kind of NDA would not only want him to keep it a secret about the character being in smash it also wouldn't want him killing any hype or buzz about it potentially happening, which saying "no" would do.

I don't think Matt saying no would kill the buzz as like 90% of the hype for surprise new comers is the.... surprise.

Like if I didn't know Simon was a lock the night before his reveal I would have had a far bigger pop off than the pop off I did have.

And Dante would certainly be a surprise pick.

No one, like, no one was talking about Dante as a likely or even half way possible choice. He only became relevant to speculation with the leak.

 

[Deleted member]

If the next direct came out and revealed 2 characters, both of which were on NOBODY's radar, like, say Laharl from 'Disgaea' as a newcomer and Megaman Zero as a hybrid Megaman/Zero AT Echo, would the community become panicked about the 'highly likely' candidates like Isabelle, Incineroar, or Skull Kid with only 2 months of reveals left? Or would it be a rallying cry for people to start championing other ridiculous inclusions and steer away from the 'safe' bets?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Remember Pokémon Græy? How about Animal Crossing U? Surely we can all remember when Capcom released Mega Man 10 in 2010.

The only concrete rules in gaming are made by fans, and can always be broken by the developers themselves. I try not to make hard predictions because of how volatile the gaming industry is.

That said, I do believe the next Nintendo Direct will be a mini one with its sole focus on Nintendo’s online service. I cannot see it going beyond about ten minutes. No game information will be presented, including for Super Smash Bros. Of course, I could be wrong.

tbf wasn't Pokemon Gray actually trademarked? Like how there's a Pokemon Stars website that ended up getting unused?

 

[Deleted member]

Shish you can't delude yourself into thinking EO is good AND delude yourself that Hotel Mario and the Unholy Triforce don't exist, pick one

Gwen shut up you know you're wrong

So I know Rayman being announced for Brawlhalla yesterday is old news...
But I've thought about it, and my new conclusion is:
It "helps his chances" (as much as "chances" are a thing, meaning, speculation phrase-ology).

If Ubisoft owns the game...why wouldnt Rayman have been in Brawlhalla earlier?
Perhaps Rayman made the game to specifically remind us of his hype and ability. And perhaps this is to bring him back into the spotlight for a moment before his reveal in Smash.

The most him being in Brawhalla does is shut down the "Rabbids are gonna get in over Rayman" thing

Don't feel discouraged, I don't think anyone would argue Dante makes more sense to be in smash than Phoenix does, but we live in crazy times.

Goldem brought up a good point in that the Dante rumor is still going. My point was mainly indicating towards a Capcom franchise, I simply think Ace Attorney is the more likely and more fitting.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

If the next direct came out and revealed 2 characters, both of which were on NOBODY's radar, like, say Laharl from 'Disgaea' as a newcomer and Megaman Zero as a hybrid Megaman/Zero AT Echo, would the community become panicked about the 'highly likely' candidates like Isabelle, Incineroar, or Skull Kid with only 2 months of reveals left? Or would it be a rallying cry for people to start championing other ridiculous inclusions and steer away from the 'safe' bets?

a complete ****ing trainwreck between the two, which effectively splits the fanbase apart

 

[papagenos]

I don't think Matt saying no would kill the buzz as like 90% of the hype for surprise new comers is the.... surprise.

Like if I didn't know Simon was a lock the night before his reveal I would have had a far bigger pop off than the pop off I did have.

And Dante would certainly be a surprise pick.

No one, like, no one was talking about Dante as a likely or even half way possible choice. He only became relevant to speculation with the leak.

well regardless i still say an NDA would have him required to not say yes or no about dante in smash.

 

[Paperchampion23]

If the next direct came out and revealed 2 characters, both of which were on NOBODY's radar, like, say Laharl from 'Disgaea' as a newcomer and Megaman Zero as a hybrid Megaman/Zero AT Echo, would the community become panicked about the 'highly likely' candidates like Isabelle, Incineroar, or Skull Kid with only 2 months of reveals left? Or would it be a rallying cry for people to start championing other ridiculous inclusions and steer away from the 'safe' bets?

Of course. These boards on top of everywhere else will be in mass hysteria for the next 2 months.

If the reveals aren't ones we have, people are gonna *****, it's simple.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

well regardless i still say an NDA would have him required to not say yes or no about dante in smash.

See I don't really know who this Matt guy is, and people seem to really take his word for it. Who is he that he like 100 percent knows whether Dante is in Smash or not?

 

[Michele]

Gwen shut up you know you're wrong

Hey, that was rude. You're talking to a girl, you know that? Apologize to her, please. She didn't do anything.

 

[pupNapoleon]

we have matt walker saying straight up dante is not in smash... i dont know if we could get a more solid disconfirmation of a character.

Well, it is not as solid a disconfirmation as being a Pokeball or in the background of a stage, but I see your point.

Hey, that was rude. You're talking to a girl, you know that? Apologize to her, please. She didn't do anything.

Just be respectful to everyone. It should not matter if she is a girl...

I don't know where you got me comparing Pokemon to another franchise from either, since I didn't mention any other series.

I'm not in the mood to debate the first part of your point, which would require research to refind the articles lead by Sakurai and TPC about Smash inclusion. So you can take that as you will.

But this part I quoted- no. I was not talking to you with it. In fact, you responded to my comment to another user, so I dont understand why you think I would just be talking to you, simply because I only quoted you. It's a forum, not a message.

 

[papagenos]

See I don't really know who this Matt guy is, and people seem to really take his word for it. Who is he that he like 100 percent knows whether Dante is in Smash or not?

producer for DMC, sorry if that wasn't clear. I cant imagine he wouldnt be under an NDA if dante was in smash

 

[?????????????]

Well, it is not as solid a disconfirmation as being a Pokeball or in the background of a stage, but I see your point.

Now watch the Waluigi Fake-Out theory be true

 

[Pyra]

"No manga characters" is an actual rule stated by Sakurai, not something made up by the fanbase.

To be fair, it's not like he hasn't also gone back on things he's said about character qualifications before.

 

[Michele]

Just be respectful to everyone. It should not matter if she is a girl...

What I'm trying to say is that he said to her to shut up. Don't you think that looked rude?

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

If the next direct came out and revealed 2 characters, both of which were on NOBODY's radar, like, say Laharl from 'Disgaea' as a newcomer and Megaman Zero as a hybrid Megaman/Zero AT Echo, would the community become panicked about the 'highly likely' candidates like Isabelle, Incineroar, or Skull Kid with only 2 months of reveals left? Or would it be a rallying cry for people to start championing other ridiculous inclusions and steer away from the 'safe' bets?

People feel safe about Isabelle and Ken due to leaks, even if the next newcomers are unexpected I don't think their supporters will feel nervous. Same with an additional pokemon

Everyone else though will die. Geno's fanbase will probably eat itself alive, the Skull Kid crowd will begin preparing themselves for his status as a Boss, the bandana dee and Isaac supporters may need to be put on suicide watch, and finally the Banjo crowd will try to anex the dixie kong territories

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, it's not like he hasn't also gone back on things he's said about character qualifications before.

So what you're saying is that we're gonna get Serval from Kemono Friends to show why Kemono Friends was the greatest anime of 2017?

...If so, YOU KNOW I'M IN!

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I'm not in the mood to debate the first part of your point, which would require research to refind the articles lead by Sakurai and TPC about Smash inclusion. So you can take that as you will.

But this part I quoted- no. I was not talking to you with it. In fact, you responded to my comment to another user, so I dont understand why you think I would just be talking to you, simply because I only quoted you. It's a forum, not a message.

Well my post was the only one you quoted and there was no clear split between your two points.

If you like put that "Pokemon is its own entity" point up first and THEN quoted my post after it would have been more clear.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

I swear to god if a NINTENDO CROSSOVER FIGHTER somehow gets Snake, Cloud, the real Dante, Bayonetta, and Ryu first...

@Playstation All-Stars

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hey, that was rude. You're talking to a girl, you know that? Apologize to her, please. She didn't do anything.

Don't worry, me and Shish are good friends, though I do appreciate the concern

 

[Guynamednelson]

the whole "why not this more popular gen 5 pokemon instead?" argument isn't a valid refutation, as presumably the Gothielle Echo would happen because Sakurai didn't want to devote the resources to two new standalone Pokemon newcomers, thus a more popular gen 5 pokemon would need to be a workable Echo off an existing playable character to get chosen instead in this hypothetical scenario.

Emolga, Minccino
Whimsicott
Oshawott
That is of course assuming that an echo can preserve the gameplay of 's mons without preserving his.

and Ryu

I consider Ryu more of an arcade all-star than a Playstation one.