Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Michele]

Personally, I would more think #68, considering that its base HP value is 68.

But Rosalina, I remember it being more like 69

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The problem with TP Ganondorf is his sword does not really work with his new Smash attacks. Those are heavy sword style moves, that outright require his large demo sword. It was the only design workable if they wanted to change the moveset a bit. The Sword of Sages is only good for thrusting or simpler moves like Marth has. Ganondorf is a powerhouse. He's more like Ike in that sense. So the design change made a lot of sense, sit it fit both the character and weapon variation.

 

[Deleted member]

I personally like TP Ganondorf the most, which is ironic because I hate the other TP designs but when all you have is two other appearances to compete with, it isn't much. Not that I dislike Ocarina Ganondorf, dude looks fresh as **** in Ultimate, I'm just sad for the loss of the beard. Though really, the other Zelda characters in Ultimate went from "meh" to "holy **** I might actually main them" real quick.

 

[osby]

Watto echo for ridley when?

Zubat, obviously.

 

[HyruleHero]

So I suppose we need every menu style, trophy, sticker and Classic Mode layout from the other games for it to be "Ultimate?"

yes, that is a requirement.

 

[Deleted member]

The problem with TP Ganondorf is his sword does not really work with his new Smash attacks. Those are heavy sword style moves, that outright require his large demo sword. It was the only design workable if they wanted to change the moveset a bit. The Sword of Sages is only good for thrusting or simpler moves like Marth has. Ganondorf is a powerhouse. He's more like Ike in that sense. So the design change made a lot of sense, sit it fit both the character and weapon variation.

If I had to choose, I'd have kept the TP design and the Smash attacks the same(the boot!!!) but changed his neutral special to his sword custom move because that thing is crazy good on Ganon. 2122 all the way.

 

[Angelglory]

Dorf's TP design is A-Ok visually, but I hate how he moved in Brawl/Wii U. He feels like a magic old man that has trouble getting out bed in the morning, let alone actually fight without pulling something. But Ultimate? Mmph, now this I like, he looks like he'd be up just in time to chokeslam the rooster before it even got the chance to crow.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If I had to choose, I'd have kept the TP design and the Smash attacks the same(the boot!!!) but changed his neutral special to his sword custom move because that thing is crazy good on Ganon. 2122 all the way.

I'm not a fan of Warlock Thrust myself. Feels kind of shoehorned in, to be honest. I'd rather it was his new Forward Smash. The Sword of Sages barely would work for most other tilts due to it not being a broadsword. It doesn't even work decently for an Up Air, as that's a power move, which that sword is not meant for. It's a finesse weapon.

Though if they got rid of that sword and changed it to his Demo Broardsword, but kept the TP look, that'd work a lot better. Heck, even his swords in WW are more strength-based in comparison(though they still are finesse-based too).

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Am I the only one that always thought Simon Belmont was more likely then Bomberman? I love Bomberman, but I always felt Castlevania was the more successful and popular series.

It's also possible that Bomberman's limited moveset was the reason for his Assist Trophy position.

The problem with TP Ganondorf is his sword does not really work with his new Smash attacks. Those are heavy sword style moves, that outright require his large demo sword. It was the only design workable if they wanted to change the moveset a bit. The Sword of Sages is only good for thrusting or simpler moves like Marth has. Ganondorf is a powerhouse. He's more like Ike in that sense. So the design change made a lot of sense, sit it fit both the character and weapon variation.

I am kind of baffled with why the slam sound effect is now being used for more than two-handed swords. That specific sound effect has been unique to Ike's attacks before Smash Ultimate came to play.

 

[nintenplayer]

I like both TP and OoT designs of Ganonodorf, but OoT version just screams "Ganonodorf" for me. It's got that King of Evil vibe fully charged. As one of the great Smash youtubers had once said, you can tell from his render that he's saying:
"Yeah I killed a few families"

As for others, well, I wasn't personally a huge fan of TP designs in general outside of Ganondorf, so I'm extremely happy. Especially for Zelda, cuz her TP design just didn't really work with me. Not to mention that alttp is my fav Zelda of all time, and the first Zelda I've ever beaten as well

 

[osby]

It's also possible that Bomberman's limited moveset was the reason for his Assist Trophy position.



I am kind of baffled with why the slam sound effect is now being used for more than two-handed swords. That specific sound effect has been unique to Ike's attacks before Smash Ultimate came to play.

If Bomberman was popular enough, he could get PAC-MAN treatment, he also didn't have the biggest moveset potential.

Slam sound effect is way too satisfying to only use on one character.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I am kind of baffled with why the slam sound effect is now being used for more than two-handed swords. That specific sound effect has been unique to Ike's attacks before Smash Ultimate came to play.

Smash Ultimate is more emphasized on being cartoony like the first Smash game, that's why. So moves that have similar strength behind it have that too. Seems simple to me, really.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The thing I liked most about the sword of sages was that he used it in the first place. Just think of the epic badassery that comes from getting stabbed in the chest by a magical sword of light, then just turning around, killing one of the sages, and then appropriating that very sword as his sceptre of office.

TP Dorf was an utter badass in every way. Then Smash made him a derpy old man.

Besides, even if we got costume packs but they just kept the Gerudo sword, it wouldn’t be unfitting. Technically Ganondorf has been the same throughout - only Link and Zelda have reincarnated. Check your facts, Palutena.

 

[Paperchampion23]

So I have a theory, what if Ultimate is going to mirror the first game in terms of newcomers?

For example, 64 is considered 8 or 12 overall, depending on what you consider the "original set".

If we go by these numbers, we could have anywhere between 4-8 more newcomers (not personally counting echoes)?

If I had it my way, my personal 12 (an accumulation of what many people want tbh, cause I want you all to be happy lol) are:
-Ridley
-Inkling
-Simon
-K. Rool
-Isaac
-Bandana Dee
-Geno
-Skull Kid
-Pokemon Newcomer
-Banjo
-Rhythm Heaven Character
-Porky (my personal want cause Mother is amazing and I'd love to get yet another heavy)

If it's only 8:
- The 4 confirmed
- Geno
- Isaac
- Skull Kid
- Banjo

This either equates to 71 or 75 unique characters (barring echoes).

So im curious, if the newcomer count is paying homage to the original 64 game (totally a guess), what would your top 4 and top 8 be?

I'm personally banking on Sakurai shocking us by November with the number of newcomers, hence why i think 8 more may be a possibility.

 

[Sharkarat]

My opinion on the Zelda Characters Design
Link
TP (when colored like 4) > OoT > BotW Campion's Tunic > HW > SS = TP (When Desaturated) >> Tunic of the Wild
Ganondorf Design
OoT > TP = Windwaker > HW (Golden gauntlets are cool)
Zelda
TP = ALttP = OoT > BotW blue gown > Four Swords (Toon) > BotW White dress > SS > HW
note rating BotW not dress for being too different

 

[TMNTSSB4]

If Bomberman was popular enough, he could get PAC-MAN treatment, he also didn't have the biggest moveset potential.

Neither did ...and look how ****ing hard that backfired

I personally like TP Ganondorf the most, which is ironic because I hate the other TP designs but when all you have is two other appearances to compete with, it isn't much. Not that I dislike Ocarina Ganondorf, dude looks fresh as **** in Ultimate, I'm just sad for the loss of the beard. Though really, the other Zelda characters in Ultimate went from "meh" to "holy **** I might actually main them" real quick.

Zelda especially

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I'm not a fan of Warlock Thrust myself. Feels kind of shoehorned in, to be honest. I'd rather it was his new Forward Smash. The Sword of Sages barely would work for most other tilts due to it not being a broadsword. It doesn't even work decently for an Up Air, as that's a power move, which that sword is not meant for. It's a finesse weapon.

Though if they got rid of that sword and changed it to his Demo Broardsword, but kept the TP look, that'd work a lot better. Heck, even his swords in WW are more strength-based in comparison(though they still are finesse-based too).

Honestly, even though I always wanted WW Ganondorf in Smash, I knew he would have to play different. He just moves to differently and is a way differently shaped character (he's kind of a blob in robes lol). Plus the dual weilding katana thing also lends itself to a different moveset.

I just thought...does anyone think it would be overkill to have toon representation of all the Zelda characters? We already have Toon Link, Toon Zelda can be an echo because Zelda is smaller now (right?) and then it would be Toon Ganondorf and Tetra (aka Too Shiek) as unique fighters.

That would leave Zelda with 9 fighters, just as many as Pokemon if you count Pokemon Trainer separately. It's a lot of WW representation though, but I wouldn't complain lol.

 

[osby]

My opinion on the Zelda Characters Design
Link
TP (when colored like 4) > OoT > BotW Campion's Tunic > HW > SS = TP (When Desaturated) >> Tunic of the Wild
Ganondorf Design
OoT > TP = Windwaker > HW (Golden gauntlets are cool)
Zelda
TP = ALttP = OoT > BotW blue gown > Four Swords (Toon) > BotW White dress > SS > HW
note rating BotW not dress for being too different

Agreed about Zelda but her HW version is placed too high.

 

[AzureFlame4]

So I have a theory, what if Ultimate is going to mirror the first game in terms of newcomers?

For example, 64 is considered 8 or 12 overall, depending on what you consider the "original set".

If we go by these numbers, we could have anywhere between 4-8 more newcomers (not personally counting echoes)?

If I had it my way, my personal 12 (an accumulation of what many people want tbh, cause I want you all to be happy lol) are:
-Ridley
-Inkling
-Simon
-K. Rool
-Isaac
-Bandana Dee
-Geno
-Skull Kid
-Pokemon Newcomer
-Banjo
-Rhythm Heaven Character
-Porky (my personal want cause Mother is amazing and I'd love to get yet another heavy)

If it's only 8:
- The 4 confirmed
- Geno
- Isaac
- Skull Kid
- Banjo

This either equates to 71 or 75 unique characters (barring echoes).

So im curious, if the newcomer count is paying homage to the original 64 game (totally a guess), what would your top 4 and top 8 be?

I'm personally banking on Sakurai shocking us by November with the number of newcomers, hence why i think 8 more may be a possibility.

Personally, I'm a fan of believing Sakurai when he says not to expect too many newcomers. Now whether this counts for echoes or not I don't know

Anyway, Top 4 prediction wise:
Skull Kid
Geno (For those who have wanted him since Brawl)
Isaac
Incineroar

Those are the four safest picks to me. If it went beyond that with another 4:
Bandana Dee
Rhythm Heaven
Minecraft Steve to let down everyone who expected Banjo, but it just seems more likely imo
Phoenix Wright (As the wtf character because I can't imagine another tbh)

 

[Paperchampion23]

Honestly, even though I always wanted WW Ganondorf in Smash, I knew he would have to play different. He just moves to differently and is a way differently shaped character (he's kind of a blob in robes lol). Plus the dual weilding katana thing also lends itself to a different moveset.

I just thought...does anyone think it would be overkill to have toon representation of all the Zelda characters? We already have Toon Link, Toon Zelda can be an echo because Zelda is smaller now (right?) and then it would be Toon Ganondorf and Tetra (aka Too Shiek) as unique fighters.

That would leave Zelda with 9 fighters, just as many as Pokemon if you count Pokemon Trainer separately. It's a lot of WW representation though, but I wouldn't complain lol.

Definitely would be. Way too much WW representation. Rather them split it up, like Skull Kid for MM, Hilda (hypothetically) as a Zelda echo for aLBtW, and Impa as a Shiek echo for Skyward sword.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Smash Ultimate is more emphasized on being cartoony like the first Smash game, that's why. So moves that have similar strength behind it have that too. Seems simple to me, really.

Still, when you look at the swords used by Link, Marth, and Roy, they're all single-handed swords. Whereas, Ike and Ganondorf both utilize a two-handed sword. A two-handed sword would tend to pack a greater punch, which is likely why a lot of Ike's sword attacks used the slam sound effect, instead of the slash sound effect.

 

[ZeldaPlayer87]

I am not a fan of the big dumps every few months.

If you stay away from greasy, fried food, you won’t have that problem.

 

[nintenplayer]

Honestly, even though I always wanted WW Ganondorf in Smash, I knew he would have to play different. He just moves to differently and is a way differently shaped character (he's kind of a blob in robes lol). Plus the dual weilding katana thing also lends itself to a different moveset.

I just thought...does anyone think it would be overkill to have toon representation of all the Zelda characters? We already have Toon Link, Toon Zelda can be an echo because Zelda is smaller now (right?) and then it would be Toon Ganondorf and Tetra (aka Too Shiek) as unique fighters.

That would leave Zelda with 9 fighters, just as many as Pokemon if you count Pokemon Trainer separately. It's a lot of WW representation though, but I wouldn't complain lol.

I would actually LOVE to see Tetra tbh.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Personally I'd pick the HW designs every single time.

If not them, I'd also pick TP Zelda over most her other designs, but I prefer her TP serious ruler contrast with Peach rather than being another bubbly blonde princess.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Honestly, even though I always wanted WW Ganondorf in Smash, I knew he would have to play different. He just moves to differently and is a way differently shaped character (he's kind of a blob in robes lol). Plus the dual weilding katana thing also lends itself to a different moveset.

I just thought...does anyone think it would be overkill to have toon representation of all the Zelda characters? We already have Toon Link, Toon Zelda can be an echo because Zelda is smaller now (right?) and then it would be Toon Ganondorf and Tetra (aka Too Shiek) as unique fighters.

That would leave Zelda with 9 fighters, just as many as Pokemon if you count Pokemon Trainer separately. It's a lot of WW representation though, but I wouldn't complain lol.

I’d rather more non-Link/Zelda/Dorf reps, and we don’t need many more clones.

With the different styles, we’re now missing TP and SS completely, and YL is currently doing a poor job representing MM. Of course that’s all from console Zeldas; the handhelds tend to stick with the toon style.

Skull Kid and Midna (rip) are great to fill those MM and TP gaps, and then a finagled HW Impa with the naginata could end up doing SS justice.

 

[osby]

Personally I'd pick the HW designs every single time.

If not them, I'd also pick TP Zelda over most her other designs, but I prefer her TP serious ruler contrast with Peach rather than being another bubbly blonde princess.

Contrast between Peach and Zelda was nice but I don't think they're that similar know. New Zelda is more cheeky than bubbly.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

TP Ganondorf is my favorite Ganondorf design, just not for Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

People who think Bomberman didn't have moveset potential need to look at a Bomberman game for just two seconds.

I'm not a fan of Warlock Thrust myself. Feels kind of shoehorned in, to be honest. I'd rather it was his new Forward Smash. The Sword of Sages barely would work for most other tilts due to it not being a broadsword. It doesn't even work decently for an Up Air, as that's a power move, which that sword is not meant for. It's a finesse weapon.

Though if they got rid of that sword and changed it to his Demo Broardsword, but kept the TP look, that'd work a lot better. Heck, even his swords in WW are more strength-based in comparison(though they still are finesse-based too).

I said I would keep Smashes the same and only change Neutral B though.

 

[pupNapoleon]

As must be said when coming back to this thread;

what leaks have happened?

 

[Deleted member]

As must be said when coming back to this thread;

what leaks have happened?

Not sure if you were here for it, but some French message board thing happened, it claimed Black Shadow, Isaac, and Ken, has been proven false.

Also Gothitelle.

 

[Michele]

As must be said when coming back to this thread;

what leaks have happened?

We are talking about a potential Direct announcement today/tomorrow

 

[pupNapoleon]

Not sure if you were here for it, but some French message board thing happened, it claimed Black Shadow, Isaac, and Ken, has been proven false.
In fact, Sir, I was not! But that sounds like every other leak. When we get laboman, make sure to tag me.
Well, we may not given that we may actually not get a joke character this time. As they will all be announced.

Also Gothitelle.

We are talking about a potential Direct announcement today/tomorrow

I mean if the direct is not tomorrow, it has to be next week. We are waiting on a specific direct that was forecast from the start of the system.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I'd also pick TP Zelda over most her other designs, but I prefer her TP serious ruler contrast with Peach rather than being another bubbly blonde princess

There it is. Someone finally put it into words why I like TP Zelda better.

It is loads of fun to see the differences in their SSE cutscenes. Especially the one where Bowser ambushes her: Zelda is shocked and ready to act, and Peach just covers her mouth.

Or when the dark version is aiming at Mario/Link and then Link/Pit slice the blaster: Dark Peach looks bizarre, but Dark Zelda gives a look of absolute death.

 

[AreJay25]

People who think Bomberman didn't have moveset potential need to look at a Bomberman game for just two seconds.

It's funny. I only started seeing people say this after his AT reveal.

Like, this dude's been requested since the Brawl days. I don't understand why that suddenly became a talking point.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean if the direct is not tomorrow, it has to be next week. We are waiting on a specific direct that was forecast from the start of the system.

It was like every other leak, except it seemed to predict stage morph, Simon and Richter both being playable, and Dracula as a boss. The post was dated some time in July or something. The admins of the site confirmed that the contents of the post (before it was deleted) were just random characters. Fun times all around.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I personally like the Triforce trio's designs in Ultimate, Zelda especially

 

[domriver]

So the leak that was leaked in our forums will be disproven tomorrow IF no direct is announced right?

 

[Pakky]

**** what if Sora though and Geno?

That's why I reserve my "NEVER GONNA BE IN" statements.

 

[Soulsaint]

Why do people want emo Gardevoir in Smash rather than Incineroar or Decidueye?

EXCUSE YOU, she's goth!

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

So I have a theory, what if Ultimate is going to mirror the first game in terms of newcomers?

For example, 64 is considered 8 or 12 overall, depending on what you consider the "original set".

If we go by these numbers, we could have anywhere between 4-8 more newcomers (not personally counting echoes)?

If I had it my way, my personal 12 (an accumulation of what many people want tbh, cause I want you all to be happy lol) are:
-Ridley
-Inkling
-Simon
-K. Rool
-Isaac
-Bandana Dee
-Geno
-Skull Kid
-Pokemon Newcomer
-Banjo
-Rhythm Heaven Character
-Porky (my personal want cause Mother is amazing and I'd love to get yet another heavy)

If it's only 8:
- The 4 confirmed
- Geno
- Isaac
- Skull Kid
- Banjo

This either equates to 71 or 75 unique characters (barring echoes).

So im curious, if the newcomer count is paying homage to the original 64 game (totally a guess), what would your top 4 and top 8 be?

I'm personally banking on Sakurai shocking us by November with the number of newcomers, hence why i think 8 more may be a possibility.

Totally just doing this for fun...I doubt we will get 8 more unique characters.

4:
Bandanna Dee
Pokemon Newcomer (Want Decideueye but leaning towards Incineroar)
Skull Kid
Geno

+4 More:
Chorus Kids
Isaac
Rayman
Elma

It was honestly hard to come up with 8...but Isaac and Elma I am pretty 50/50 on the fence with. Neither would really shock me but I'm not expecting them.
(These are also in order of how likely I think they are)