Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[perfectchaos83]

I actually think an official document might point more towards a square character because square probably gave all the directions on how Sora should behave with only Disney saying its okay but not actually making an impact on the character.

Disney would absolutely have to be credited for Sora. It's 100% going to say Disney and Disney will appear on the Smash box and title screen.

 

[Shroob]

Alright so if no direct is announced tomorrow for the 6th, then it's dead right? or do we have to wait two days to actually kill it?

It has until the 6th.

If no Direct is announced by the end of the 5th, it's dead.

 

[Chrono.]

Alright so if no direct is announced tomorrow for the 6th, then it's dead right? or do we have to wait two days to actually kill it?

Nintendo has a habit of announcing directs the day before.

So yeah we gotta wait.

 

[KMDP]

Re: Sora being "a Square-Enix character"

Don't forget that, had Vergeben said "one of the new fighters is a Disney character", that would have given the game away completely.

And considering the whole "The Pokémon character is not [x]" debacle...

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

To clarify, my issue with DDD's recovery is mostly about his airspeed. It's so slow you have a ton of time to set up edgeguards. His up-B would all around be reasonably good if he had even average airspeed, but with the airspeed he has, he really needs it to be way safer than it is because his opponent will have the time to get in the way unlike with faster moving characters. It's also why even though Cloud has a bad recovery you can't exploit it as much as you'd think (Cloud has good air speed) and why all the problems with Shulk's recovery seem to manifest when he's in Shield and his airspeed goes down the toilet.

Certainly at the low levels where no one ever goes off-stage DDD's recovery is fine, but I don't think you have to be a top tier competitive player to jump out there and throw out a normal or something to get in someone's way, especially if it's a fairly easy target like DDD...

 

[AreJay25]

Guys i just thought of something stupid and will never happen but it'd be awesome none the less.

What if the reason there are so many deaths in the trailers... was so that the last character reveal trailer would be for Negan from The Walking Dead?

Hmm...

Namco is developing Ultimate AND Tekken 7.
Spirits could be a reference to dead people, like zombies.
Ness has a baseball bat.

I think you're onto something here. Negan will be revealed as a Ness Echo. or not

 

[AzureFlame4]

Guys i just thought of something stupid and will never happen but it'd be awesome none the less.

What if the reason there are so many deaths in the trailers... was so that the last character reveal trailer would be for Negan from The Walking Dead?

I want to hold onto the last character reveal being Phoenix Wright and he has to defend Link in court for all the killings or something theory.

 

[Chrono.]

Wowwie! Not one, but TWO Smash reveals? I'm SO on board for this! Can't wait to see Isaac and Incineroar on Thursday.
...

Wait, forgot to put these things around what I said. Y'know, if it were real.

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I know you probably get this a lot but I keep reading your posts in Scott's voice lol.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

This has to be coincidence right? I'd love for that guys leak to be right but there's just no way it's that descriptive.

Technically if it's coming this Thursday it's possible that the leaker actually saw it. Which is basically what has happened before several times. But I'd still be wary, I'm not sure Pocket Edition is a SUPER out-there guess.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Re: Sora being "a Square-Enix character"

Don't forget that, had Vergeben said "one of the new fighters is a Disney character", that would have given the game away completely.

And considering the whole "The Pokémon character is not [x]" debacle...

Vergeben can only relay what he is told. If he was told it was an SE character it would be an SE character of which Sora simply isn't. Vergeben will name drop when he can.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Wowwie! Not one, but TWO Smash reveals? I'm SO on board for this! Can't wait to see Isaac and Incineroar on Thursday.
...

Wait, forgot to put these things around what I said. Y'know, if it were real.

Isn't that September 12th Direct suppose to be a rumor though? It could end up being false for all we know.

 

[MojoRobo]

I know you probably get this a lot but I keep reading your posts in Scott's voice lol.

Because he's probably trying to replicate Scott's speaking and humor through his posts. Kappa

 

[AzureFlame4]

Vergeben can only relay what he is told. If he was told it was an SE character it would be an SE character of which Sora simply isn't. Vergeben will name drop when he can.

It's easy to imagine a world where his source thought Sora counted as a SE rep though.

 

[N3ON]

There have been like four leaks with Isaac in them today, and even though they're all fake, it's still exhausting. This must be what popularity feels like.

 

[Zinith]

To clarify, my issue with DDD's recovery is mostly about his airspeed. It's so slow you have a ton of time to set up edgeguards. His up-B would all around be reasonably good if he had even average airspeed, but with the airspeed he has, he really needs it to be way safer than it is because his opponent will have the time to get in the way unlike with faster moving characters. It's also why even though Cloud has a bad recovery you can't exploit it as much as you'd think (Cloud has good air speed) and why all the problems with Shulk's recovery seem to manifest when he's in Shield and his airspeed goes down the toilet.

Certainly at the low levels where no one ever goes off-stage DDD's recovery is fine, but I don't think you have to be a top tier competitive player to jump out there and throw out a normal or something to get in someone's way, especially if it's a fairly easy target like DDD...

You say Cloud having a bad recovery is not as exploitable because of his air speed, but considering the character who has the BEST air speed in the game () is still exploited, idk...

 

[BrytonJ]

In any case, I hope we get a direct this Thursday if only because I think it'd be funny for us to get a direct on 06/09.

Something that does seem fishy to me about that leak though is I don't think Nintendo wouldn't announce the remaining NES games in the direct.

unless uhhhhh that actually was in the leak and I read it wrong. Yknow how it is.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Alright so if no direct is announced tomorrow for the 6th, then it's dead right? or do we have to wait two days to actually kill it?

Waiting two days is the safer way to do so, which is how I do it.

 

[Fell God]

It's easy to imagine a world where his source thought Sora counted as a SE rep though.

It is also easy to imagine a world where Verg doesn't have a source and has just been getting lucky...

 

[N3ON]

It is also easy to imagine a world where Verg doesn't have a source and has just been getting lucky...

You're quite imaginative.

 

[MojoRobo]

You say Cloud having a bad recovery is not as exploitable because of his air speed, but considering the character who has the BEST air speed in the game () is still exploited, idk...

Non-limit Climhazzard is undeniably more exploitable than D3's up B lmao.

 

[Fell God]

You're quite imaginative.

It is not in everyone's best interest to believe baseless rumors

 

[Icedragonadam]

I don't believe it. Honestly I think we'll only be seeing directs on Wednesdays to coincide on music days as seen with Castlevania.

 

[StormC]

I'm humoring this but only slightly. If we hear nothing by midnight tomorrow I'm considering it dead.

Giving me "Funko pop also btw K. Rool/Dixie in Smash" vibes right now.

 

[Abha]

Waiting two days is the safer way to do so, which is how I do it.

Waiting is for nerds, you have to live recklessly and in the moment no matter how many fake leaks come your way.

 

[?????????????]

It is not in everyone's best interest to believe baseless rumors

I might agree if it were baseless.

 

[Shroob]

I'm humoring this but only slightly. If we hear nothing by midnight tomorrow I'm considering it dead.

Giving me "Funko pop also btw K. Rool/Dixie in Smash" vibes right now.

Eh, we need to give it two days, max. It's not unheard of for Nintendo to just spring news of a direct coming the day before it happens.


But on the night of the 5th, if there's no news, it's dead, jim.

 

[Paperchampion23]

It is not in everyone's best interest to believe baseless rumors

I mean, the guy got many other things smash related right. Baseless?

 

[MojoRobo]

Unrelated entirely, but if Minecraft or Fornite gets represented in Smush, what Youtube song parody would you guys want for them to put in the soundtracks for those series.
My votes are for WELCOME TO MY MINE and WHAT'S THE POINT OF BUILDING FORTS YOU'RE GOING NITE NITE

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

You say Cloud having a bad recovery is not as exploitable because of his air speed, but considering the character who has the BEST air speed in the game () is still exploited, idk...

You boi has the best airspeed in the game for real? (or in your heart only?)

 

[OurBraveHero]

You're quite imaginative.

I mean, in all fairness Verg hasn't known about a lot of stuff. Hasn't he only been right about Ridley and Simon Belmont? Ridley being extremely predictable and basically everyone saying Simon for a while. And to be fair, he had multiple "sources" in the past that he claimed were actually "bad sources" and he changed the leaks around multiple times. I don't see why people forget how many times Verg has been wrong in game leaks... because as of now his "right to wrong" ratio IS heavier on WRONG for multiple game leaks he has put out.

 

[Zinith]

You boi have the best airspeed in the game for real?

In every Smash except Melee (that's )

 

[Fell God]

I might agree if it were baseless.

Anyone could have guessed Ridley and Simon being in. They've been major requests for years, and don't even bring up the fact that Sakurai said Ridley is too big, when has Sakurai EVER been consistent? I was even guessing (though mostly hoping) that every old veteran would return, so again, it's not like he's been making crazy guesses that ended up being true like the Gematsu leaks with WFT. We still haven't seen any Pokémon and we probably won't, and correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't include any of the echo fighters.

 

[Abha]

Unrelated entirely, but if Minecraft or Fornite gets represented in Smush, what Youtube song parody would you guys want for them to put in the soundtracks for those series.
My votes are for WELCOME TO MY MINE and WHAT'S THE POINT OF BUILDING FORTS YOU'RE GOING NITE NITE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEnQe6JQYQ

 

[MojoRobo]

You boi has the best airspeed in the game for real? (or in your heart only?)

It's true.

 

[Shroob]

I mean, in all fairness Verg hasn't known about a lot of stuff. Hasn't he only been right about Ridley and Simon Belmont? Ridley being extremely predictable and basically everyone saying Simon for a while. And to be fair, he had multiple "sources" in the past that he claimed were actually "bad sources" and he changed the leaks around multiple times. I don't see why people forget how many times Verg has been wrong in game leaks... because as of now his "right to wrong" ratio IS heavier on WRONG for multiple game leaks he has put out.

The thing is:

Yeah, he's been wrong in OTHER games, but so far, he hasn't gotten anything wrong in Smash.


Verg has the benefit of the doubt right now, especially since he only has 4 characters, 3 of which seem pretty obvious choices anyway.


If he's wrong, people'll go after him like crazy, but at the same time, IF he's wrong, his reputation will never live this down, the Smash community will make sure of that, especially after he's now TRIPLE downed on his 4 characters.

 

[Nazyrus]

lol we back to the "easy guesses" and the "incomplete info = wrong info" I see… I'm just going to bed and hope we get a direct announcement soon enough already

 

[Nethermoosen]

It is not in everyone's best interest to believe baseless rumors

It is hardly a belief and the consequences are minimal at worst.

 

[OurBraveHero]

I mean, the guy got many other things smash related right. Baseless?

Not factoring in all the things he got wrong that he publicly claimed were "bad intel" multiple times but still had Ridley and Simon in them? That's kinda interesting to me that Verg changed his "source intel" multiple times and took back things he "leaked" due to bad intel but Ridley and Simon stayed the same with each of his sources. Plus Verg didn't say anything about echo fighters in advance, and didn't say K.Rool. Actually if I remember correctly ONE of his initial claims was K.Rool but he claimed bad intel on that one.

And in terms of Verg being reputable source of leaks, how's that new Marvel vs Capcom Infinite season treating everyone?

Oh wait. lol

 

[?????????????]

Anyone could have guessed Ridley and Simon being in. They've been major requests for years, and don't even bring up the fact that Sakurai said Ridley is too big, when has Sakurai EVER been consistent? I was even guessing (though mostly hoping) that every old veteran would return, so again, it's not like he's been making crazy guesses that ended up being true like the Gematsu leaks with WFT. We still haven't seen any Pokémon and we probably won't, and correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't include any of the echo fighters.

I suppose we'll see, won't we?

 

[BrytonJ]

In every Smash except Melee (that's )

It's one of the many reasons Yoshi is used for a large chunk of Subspace Emissary speedruns! One of the few places in Smash where Yoshi really shines (on top of just being nice because he is Yoshi.)