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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Will

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I decided to watch the Subspace cutscenes.

I had a lot more hope back then.

I was a different time. A happier time.
There were only two things I liked about the Subspace cutscenes:
1. Literally everything Snake does
2. The fact that two (DOS) cutscenes could be interchangeable between characters based on your choices which I think was a ****ing amazing concept and should've been expanded upon.
 

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I have just started this game. It has so much to live up to... and the initial ten minutes of play, while an amazing atmosphere, have not impressed me as far as gameplay.
Give it time. You start with little and end up with much. The game heavily rewards exploration. Don’t worry about linearity too much. Just explore and enjoy.
 

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The graphics in the cutscenes weren't as good as I remember though, lol
 

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To be fair he doesn't show his mouth open that often in renders.

And in Sonic Generations, his fang seems to be missing



I do kinda feel like they added the fang for that extra bit of edginess for his game. It showed up for a few more artwork stuff after that game. But not sure it was ever the original plan to give him fangs.
Thats weird

they should keep it. its cute

 

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I still just really hope this will be a costume alt for Zelda, since she is using her A Link to the Past design and all.
 

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There were only two things I liked about the Subspace cutscenes:
1. Literally everything Snake does
2. The fact that two (DOS) cutscenes could be interchangeable between characters based on your choices which I think was a ****ing amazing concept and should've been expanded upon.
I would assume reanimating scenes to change characters takes time and that's why it wasn't used as much as it could have been.
 
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Came for Smash, got folks talking about how awesome Hollow Knight, a game I've been meaning to get for a while is. Not disappointed.
 

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Ah, yes.


...Reinhardt's game!
I remember the time I learned about FEH, I thought it was soo cool.

Then I learned about the gacha system.

Then I learned about the skill inheritance and merging system.

Then I learned about IVs.


And I though Fate/Grand Order was **** with its 1% SSR rates.
 

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Did anyone here misses Alex Kidd? I used to play a lot when i was a kid. I'd love to see him in some way, maybe as a assist trophy or even as a simple trophy.
 
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I would assume reanimating scenes to change characters takes time and that's why it wasn't used as much as it could have been.
Yeah that's understandable but Snake had the best ****ing cutscenes.

:ultmetaknight:My ship has been taken over by those things (:ultgnw:) over there
:ultlucario:We have to tread carefu-
:ultsnake:LEEEERRROOOOYYYY


Only the best.
 
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So here's a little game.

Disregard how likely you think the characters are.

Tell us how interested or satisfied you'd be with the character if included.

Incineroar
Ken
Isabelle
Geno
Isaac
Monster Hunter
Lloyd Irving
Dixie Kong
Impa
Skull Kid
Black Shadow
Bandana Waddle Dee
Ninten
Diskun
Raiden
Big Boss
Shadow
Elma
Rex and Pyra
Jeanne
Spring Man
Wonder Red
Incineroar - Eh. I think we have enough PokeMon characters in already.
Ken - Not a big Street Fighter fan, but we need more than one character per series.
Isabelle - Same case as Ken.
Geno - AWWW YEAAAH, MY BLUE BOI IS INNN!!!!!!!!!! :disco:
Isaac - I mean... he couldn't be another sword-fighter. I'd have to see what Sakurai does with him.
Monster Hunter - Meh...
Lloyd Irving - Mreh?
Dixie Kong - Woo! More DKC love!
Impa - Another Zelda character would be cool, I guess.
Skull Kid - Majora's Mask is iconic as hell, and Skull Kid's mischievousness in Smash would be cool to see.
Black Shadow - FINALLY, ANOTHER F-ZERO CHARACTER.
Bandana Waddle Dee - Sweet, all 4 main Kirby characters are here!

Ninten - Woo! More Mother love!
Diskun - Cool? I guess?...
Raiden - Woo! More MGS love!
Big Boss - I'M STIIIIIIILL IN A DREEEEAAAAAM, SNAKE EATERRRRRRRR!!!!!!! *BUM BADUM BUM BUUUM*
Shadow - Not a big Sonic fan anymore, but still, it'd be cool. I wanted him in Brawl as DLC when I was a kid.
Elma - Meh...
Rex and Pyra - Meeeehhh...
Jeanne - I don't know who this is.
Spring Man - Personally, I would've preferred King Hippo than someone from ARMS...
Wonder Red - Meeeehh...
 

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Thoughts if these characters make the cut?

-Agumon
-Amaterasu
-Ayumi Tachibana
-Banjo-Kazooie
-Black Knight(E)
-Chorus Kids
-Cranky Kong
-Crash Bandicoot
-Decidueye
-Gardevoir
-Glass Joe(E)
-Hades
-Heihachi Mishima
-Kat & Ana
-Karate Joe
-King Boo
-King Hippo
-Medusa(E)
-Metal Sonic(E)
-Mona
-Nightmare
-Octoling(E)
-Paper Mario
-Phosphora
-Porky Minch
-Rayman
-Saki Amamiya
-Shantae
-Sylux
-Toon Zelda

(E) means Echo Fighter
 

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Beg pardon! I most certainly have a soul, stained as it may be.

It was a visually stunning and mysterious little venture, that is true. However, I am choosy with my games and I am more interested in the mechanical assets of the games I play and the challenges they provide.

I tend to focus on competitive or challenging games because I enjoy the sensation of my own improvement. Without tactical considerations, I am less likely to enjoy a game.
"I have a soul. I just don't want my games to have one."
I'm crushed, Nethermoosen.
But, your name was very fun to type. Thus, I forgive you. Moosen. MOOSEN. Just Moosen around.
 

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So here's a little game.

Disregard how likely you think the characters are.

Tell us how interested or satisfied you'd be with the character if included.

Incineroar
Ken
Isabelle
Geno
Isaac
Monster Hunter
Lloyd Irving
Dixie Kong
Impa
Skull Kid
Black Shadow
Bandana Waddle Dee
Ninten
Diskun
Raiden
Big Boss
Shadow
Elma
Rex and Pyra
Jeanne
Spring Man
Wonder Red
Oh boy, come and hate me:

Incineroar - Nah
Ken - Top choice
Isabelle - Meh
Geno - Top choice
Isaac - Nah
Monster Hunter - Nah
Lloyd Irving - Nah
Dixie Kong - Ok
Impa - Ok
Skull Kid - Top choice
Black Shadow - Meh
Bandana Waddle Dee - Top choice
Ninten - Meh
Diskun - Nah
Raiden - Ok
Big Boss - Meh
Shadow - Ok
Elma - Meh
Rex and Pyra - Nah
Jeanne - Nah
Spring Man - Nah
Wonder Red - Nah

I demand Paper Mario to be added to more lists and leaks. Please don't forget about my boy.
 

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Don't worry, it'll start taking off fast. If you get past 1 or 2 bosses and still feel that way, then it might not be for you though
Good to know- it is certainly an enchanted world. I'm on hour 38 of being awake- so I might just be a little annoyed in general.

Shut the **** up!
 
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I would assume reanimating scenes to change characters takes time and that's why it wasn't used as much as it could have been.
Maybe, if they opt to have any cutscenes at all, it’d be better to have them be in the game engine and use mostly characters’ existing animations.

A main advantage of that is that you could use literally any playable characters in the game as the main characters and the probably very barebones cutscenes would still work. Even with such simple cutscenes, though, it’d still be cool to see your favorite character picks together like that.
 

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"I have a soul. I just don't want my games to have one."
I'm crushed, Nethermoosen.
But, your name was very fun to type. Thus, I forgive you. Moosen. MOOSEN. Just Moosen around.
Plural for moose. .....it is, right? Like Goosen? Is it German? Sounds German. Not really sure how I’ll make it through college.
 

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So here's a little game.

Disregard how likely you think the characters are.

Tell us how interested or satisfied you'd be with the character if included.

Incineroar
Ken
Isabelle
Geno
Isaac
Monster Hunter
Lloyd Irving
Dixie Kong
Impa
Skull Kid
Black Shadow
Bandana Waddle Dee
Ninten
Diskun
Raiden
Big Boss
Shadow
Elma
Rex and Pyra
Jeanne
Spring Man
Wonder Red
Incineroar - meh
Ken - happy
Isabelle - extremely happy
Geno - meh
Isaac - happy
Monster Hunter - extremely happy
Lloyd Irving - happy
Dixie Kong - happy
Impa - extremely happy
Skull Kid - meh
Black Shadow - meh
Bandana Waddle Dee - meh
Ninten - nope
Diskun - nope
Raider - happy
Big Boss - meh
Shadow - extremely happy
Elma - extremely happy
Rex and Pyra - extremely happy
Jeanne - happy
Spring Man - meh
Wonder Red - happy
Just noticed that alot of fake renders of shadow always forget his fangs
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Ow the literal edge!
 

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Give it time. You start with little and end up with much. The game heavily rewards exploration. Don’t worry about linearity too much. Just explore and enjoy.
Moosen bro, I think I need to play it indoors. I love my switch but many games cannot be seen with outdoor glare.

In fact that's been an issue I have had since the days of the Game Boy Pocket. I need to adjust more than the brightness to accommodate the lighting, appropriately.
 

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Oh boy, come and hate me:

Incineroar - Nah
Ken - Top choice
Isabelle - Meh
Geno - Top choice
Isaac - Nah
Monster Hunter - Nah
Lloyd Irving - Nah
Dixie Kong - Ok
Impa - Ok
Skull Kid - Top choice
Black Shadow - Meh
Bandana Waddle Dee - Top choice
Ninten - Meh
Diskun - Nah
Raiden - Ok
Big Boss - Meh
Shadow - Ok
Elma - Meh
Rex and Pyra - Nah
Jeanne - Nah
Spring Man - Nah
Wonder Red - Nah

I demand Paper Mario to be added to more lists and leaks. Please don't forget about my boy.
It's heartbreaking!
I'm not sure why he's being left out so much despite his massive popularity during the Ballot days.
I'd guess it's due to the series' current reception though.
 

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It's heartbreaking!
I'm not sure why he's being left out so much despite his massive popularity during the Ballot days.
I'd guess it's due to the series' current reception though.
My guess would be Geno's current status as the poster boy of speculation and the next Mario rep puts every other potential new Mario rep on the back burner, causing him to not even be talked about.

If its worth anything though, whenever people talk about Mario reps that aren't Geno, I always see Paper Mario come up
 

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My guess would be Geno's current status as the poster boy of speculation and the next Mario rep puts every other potential new Mario rep on the back burner, causing him to not even be talked about.

If its worth anything though, whenever people talk about Mario reps that aren't Geno, I always see Paper Mario come up
Which shocks me considering that Sakurai added 3 Fire Emblem reps in one game.
If he could do that for Fire Emblem, I doubt he's got that much of an issue to do it with Mario.
 

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Moosen bro, I think I need to play it indoors. I love my switch but many games cannot be seen with outdoor glare.

In fact that's been an issue I have had since the days of the Game Boy Pocket. I need to adjust more than the brightness to accommodate the lighting, appropriately.
Yeah, the ENTIRE game is dark. You will appreciate it much more indoors or docked. I also have a pro controller and ....my god. The Switch pro controller is rant-worthy treasure. But I’ll save everyone those 15 paragraphs.
 

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My guess would be Geno's current status as the poster boy of speculation and the next Mario rep puts every other potential new Mario rep on the back burner, causing him to not even be talked about.

If its worth anything though, whenever people talk about Mario reps that aren't Geno, I always see Paper Mario come up
And that still doesnt take away from the fact that Toad is still the most prominent Nintendo character to be completely overlooked (or so we think).
We got that Captain Toad add for Smash back in Sm4sh days. If Nintendo consulted with that ad, I have no question CT made it.

Plural for moose. .....it is, right? Like Goosen? Is it German? Sounds German. Not really sure how I’ll make it through college.
Moose man Moosen, I found my literature. It's unfortunately not the plural for Moose, but instead is the formal, plural, male, Latin conjugation of Lemur.
 

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And that still doesnt take away from the fact that Toad is still the most prominent Nintendo character to be completely overlooked (or so we think).
We got that Captain Toad add for Smash back in Sm4sh days. If Nintendo consulted with that ad, I have no question CT made it.


Moose man Moosen, I found my literature. It's unfortunately not the plural for Moose, but instead is the formal, plural, male, Latin conjugation of Lemur.
Hol up...Toad's the most prominent?
In a world where Paper Mario and Bandana Dee aren't in?
Granted, Toad's way up there, but calling him THE most is a dangerous journey.
 

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Which shocks me considering that Sakurai added 3 Fire Emblem reps in one game.
If he could do that for Fire Emblem, I doubt he's got that much of an issue to do it with Mario.
He added 3 and brought back 1. To be fair though, 2 of those were clones. Irregardless, keep in mind people are tying to be as conservative as humanly possible with how many chars we're getting, considering Sakurai's comments, despite echo characters (like if Paper Mario could be an echo I'm sure no one would have any doubt he's getting in)
 

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And that still doesnt take away from the fact that Toad is still the most prominent Nintendo character to be completely overlooked (or so we think).
We got that Captain Toad add for Smash back in Sm4sh days. If Nintendo consulted with that ad, I have no question CT made it.


Moose man Moosen, I found my literature. It's unfortunately not the plural for Moose, but instead is the formal, plural, male, Latin conjugation of Lemur.
I really hope against my better judgement that you are telling the truth and I am named for a hell-born lemur.

Also, urban dictionary is fun.
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Thoughts if these characters make the cut?

-Agumon- I will only accept a Rumble Arena mechanic with Digivolution
-Amaterasu- Yo this would be sick
-Ayumi Tachibana- Literally what would they do
-Banjo-Kazooie- *sigh*
-Black Knight(E)- MOREUNGA SWORD SWINGS YES
-Chorus Kids- Don't care for em but Rhythm Heaven is hype
-Cranky Kong- **** all the DK characters this is the only one we need
-Crash Bandicoot- WOAH! An amazing choice!
-Decidueye- Would be cool, but if he doesn't happen, oh well
-Gardevoir- The porn made me incapable of having any opinion on this one
-Glass Joe(E)- Funny as ****
-Hades- Nice
-Heihachi Mishima- Not a Tekken fan but god yes this would be dope
-Kat & Ana- Would prefer Ashley but I'm game
-Karate Joe- Sure, I'm down
-King Boo- Ehhhh that's kind of pushing it I guess
-King Hippo- I guess?
-Medusa(E)- I never got the whole echo thing for Medusa
-Metal Sonic(E)- Would prefer unique but please include What I'm Made Of
-Mona- Dunno what she'd do
-Nightmare- Oh god yes
-Octoling(E)- Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
-Paper Mario- Eh, never played the games
-Phosphora- What a random choice
-Porky Minch- Sure, make him like Bedman in GG
-Rayman- Why not?
-Saki Amamiya- Sure!
-Shantae- No Butt Butt but if her outfit isn't a problem then yeah
-Sylux- Ehhhhhh wait till Prime 4 comes out
-Toon Zelda- Don't really see the point

(E) means Echo Fighter
lmao I ****ed up. It's in the quote
 
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Which shocks me considering that Sakurai added 3 Fire Emblem reps in one game.
If he could do that for Fire Emblem, I doubt he's got that much of an issue to do it with Mario.
Mario doesn't really add many new cast members per game, though. FE Awakening was a series rebirth, and Fates was simply timing. At this point, if you're looking for Mario characters, you'd look at Waluigi, Captain Toad and King Boo as the most likely candidates.
 

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So here's a little game.

Disregard how likely you think the characters are.

Tell us how interested or satisfied you'd be with the character if included.
Rightio let's a go.

Incineroar: Honestly I hate this Pokémon's design. It feels uninspired and symptomatic of the Fire/Fighting stereotype that we just can't escape. That being said I won't hate his inclusion, just won't go out of my way to play em.

Ken: Ryu echo, really can't complain about that at all.
Isabelle: I'd love this character in Smash. I think she was a great addition to Mario Kart and her being in Smash would make a ton of sense.

Geno: Honestly I'm pretty indifferent on him. For a Square character I'd prefer Sora as I have no attachment to Geno (his game didn't release in Australia until the VC).

Isaac: Never played his games, but he seems neat.

Monster Hunter: Would be cool in my book. Would obviously pair well with the Rathalos.

Lloyd Irving: Again, a series I have no experience with so I don't feel one way or another.

Dixie Kong: I think she makes a ton of sense and I'd like to see her in. A Chrom-esque echo of Diddy makes sense to me, with DK's up-b. I'd be very happy with her inclusion as I think she makes a ton of sense.

Impa: Honestly, she'd do nothing for me. I don't see the need for her inclusion honestly, but if she were in, eh.

Skull Kid: Sure it'd be cool, I guess, but as much as I love Majora's Mask I don't see why he is so highly requested.

Black Shadow: Give him Ganondorf's old moveset and smashes and I don't see why not. Sure.

Bandana Waddle Dee: The Dee! Would be a greta fourth member of the Kirby gang and I think it'd be a shame for him to not be in.

Ninten: Don't really see the point as he is basically Ness in design. Feel like he'd kinda be a waste of development time, even as an echo. Sorry.

Diskun: Who?

Raiden: Again, who?

Big Boss: Isn't this just Snake? Would seem superfluous to me.

Shadow: Honestly I'd be a bit peeved if he got in before Tails.

Elma: Please! This beautiful woman needs to be in Smash! I'd be so ecstatic for her to get in!

Rex and Pyra: Like Elma I'd love these two to be in Smash. Pyra is my favourite character form XC2 and I think her and Rex would be a great character. Feel like they'd be DLC with Elma in base, but I'd love them in either case.

Jeanne: Bayo echo? Sure.

Spring Man: Makes sense, but I'd be surprised if not DLC.

Wonder Red: No feelings one way or another.

And those are my opinions/hot takes :D
 
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