Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zinith]

I recently read that Mother was made as a parody to American life.

And as a corollary, StarTropics was played straight (although it has bizarre humor, none of it was directed at American culture)

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._released_in_2019_to_avoid_a_clash_with_smash

You know, I find it interesting that Suda wouldn't want the NMH spin-off to affect Ultimate's sales, despite the fact that NMH is more niche in comparison.

Pretty sure he was joking and they moved it so the game wouldn't flop lol

 

[Chrono.]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._released_in_2019_to_avoid_a_clash_with_smash

You know, I find it interesting that Suda wouldn't want the NMH spin-off to affect Ultimate's sales, despite the fact that NMH is more niche in comparison.

Suda is just ****ing around lol.

He does that a lot.

 

[Luigi The President]

Why am I back and we're discussing the virtues of free speech and thick skin hello?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

And as a corollary, StarTropics was played straight (although it has bizarre humor, none of it was directed at American culture)

As close as to a Nintendo Power-written game as you could get, and that was years before Secret of Evermore was made.

Pretty sure he was joking and they moved it so the game wouldn't flop

Of course, should have seen his humor coming.

Granted, he has made his love for Smash obvious in the past...

Why am I back and we're discussing the virtues of free speech and thick skin hello?

Trying to recover from Summer and no info, that is all.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Why am I back and we're discussing the virtues of free speech and thick skin hello?

I made a terrible decision. That’s the gist. Lol

Luigi The President

 

[Wambo]

Um, yeah, I know. I'm not a child. I think you have some massive misconceptions about me.

Saying "you should kill yourself" or "I hope someone ***** you" is free speech, but its still ****ty and the people who say those things are also ****ty. They have the right to say that stuff, but we all have the right to see them for the filth they are when they do.

See, but them saying stuff like that shouldn't effect you. It's petty, sure, but they're just nameless, faceless people on the internet and what they say won't affect you and shouldn't offend you. Just let them say it.

 

[Pakky]

Why am I back and we're discussing the virtues of free speech and thick skin hello?

If the chicken's skin is thick its hard to boil.

What I'm saying is beat that chicken into submission before you boil it.

I am sober okay you can't prove otherwise.


Anyway, lowkey think there's going to be two echoes for Bayo.

 

[Dee Dude]

If sakurai won't add a character that's japan only there isn't a chance in hell he'd add a western only one

Uhh....what are you talking about???

(pre-Melee)

 

[Enchess]

See, but them saying stuff like that shouldn't effect you. It's petty, sure, but they're just nameless, faceless people on the internet and what they say won't affect you and shouldn't offend you. Just let them say it.

It doesn't affect me. It does shape how I think about them. Anyone tells people to kill themselves or get ***** is trash. I don't want to communicate with trash, so I don't go on 4chan where I've seen lots of trash.

I'm on the side of free speech. Im not calling to shut down 4chan. Free speech=/=freedom from criticism.

 

[Luigi The President]

See, but them saying stuff like that shouldn't effect you. It's petty, sure, but they're just nameless, faceless people on the internet and what they say won't affect you and shouldn't offend you. Just let them say it.

Yeah, I know, right?
People just being themselves on the Internet really shouldn't affect you.
And you definitely shouldn't try to redirect or censor what they're saying or their expressions of themselves, because they're just nameless Internet people, who really aren't affecting you.
Right, Wambo?

 

[IronTed]

For any Switch game to launch the same month Smash does would be tantamount to self-sabotage. We're looking at a potential record-setting launch for a Nintendo home console game.

 

[Deleted member]

All I know is that Smash won’t be the only one to release on December 7....

Reminder to go watch Scott's new vid.

 

[Nethermoosen]

If the chicken's skin is thick its hard to boil.

What I'm saying is beat that chicken into submission before you boil it.

I am sober okay you can't prove otherwise.

Just because you don’t like Banjo-Kazooie doesn’t mean you have to be so murderous. And she’s a Breegul.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'll be really surprised if this game doesn't win GOTY. Like really what game can seriously top this and this is coming from a GOW (God of War) fanboy like me.

 

[Zinith]

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How many Scott the Woz pictures do you have? I'm concerned (and that's saying something )

 

[Luigi The President]

I'll be really surprised if this game doesn't win GOTY. Like really what game can seriously top this and this is coming from a GOW (God of War) fanboy like me.

You'd be surprised at how the "GOTY" industry can rob the games that really seem to deserve it.
Didn't Rocket League win over Undertale once?

 

[Enchess]

I'll be really surprised if this game doesn't win GOTY. Like really what game can seriously top this and this is coming from a GOW (God of War) fanboy like me.

Hollow Knight Switch port will be nearly impossible to beat for me, but I have a huge bias for Metroidvania

 

[Nazyrus]

-insert "this is fine" burning meme here- I guess… I didn't miss much today? lol this drought is making you all crazy (me included tbh). I really hope we get that direct announced soon already to cool our heads a bit

 

[Pakky]

Just because you don’t like Banjo-Kazooie doesn’t mean you have to be so murderous. And she’s a Breegul.

She's also thicc...

Whew, this is what happens when you don't have work on Monday.

I was going to bust out like 20 icons.

Welp that ship sailed...

 

[Nethermoosen]

I'll be really surprised if this game doesn't win GOTY. Like really what game can seriously top this and this is coming from a GOW (God of War) fanboy like me.

I won’t. The games that win game of the year tend to...irk me when I play them.

 

[Zinith]

I'll be really surprised if this game doesn't win GOTY. Like really what game can seriously top this and this is coming from a GOW (God of War) fanboy like me.

Fighting games don't tend to win GOTY...

 

[Luigi The President]

Fighting games don't tend to win GOTY...

Yeah, so Smash can still win GOTY.

 

[Mc.Rad]

F-Zero theory? Do share.

Basically, out of every single Smash Bros franchise, F-Zero is the least loved. Having only one character through the near 20 years its been up. Almost every n64 character got their own newcomer... except for F-Zero. This is also after GX, so Deathborn or Black Shadow would be expected. However, due to poor sales of those games, they never bothered (but then put Lucas in for some reason).

Cut back to now, where Falcon is the only F-Zero racer. There is only one "popular" F-Zero character that could place high on the popularity polls, Black Shadow. However, there's a pattern with Ridley and K.Rool that I think will play out. There's a villian newcomer for each N64 character. Then they get an additional echo. This should mean that Falcon will get Deathborn as a newcomer and Black Shadow as an Echo. I also don't think that Deathborn could ever be a boss as well, since 1. He's small, 2. He's a playable character in F-Zero GX, 3. He's kinda set up to be the main antagonist of F-Zero GX. Also Deathborn was not only considered one of the few F-Zero characters that were "Trophy worthy" but he was Falcon's All Star Mode Hard unlock. Said Smash 4 trophy also states that his status as a threat is still over Black Shadow. While the Smash 4 trophies for F-Zero do contain a weird combined anime/game lore, there is an odd thing for them to suddenly change it like that (unless it really is a localization mistake).

So, I don't think that this is just Sakurai dragging a dead horse out into a race for once, he's actually going to try to feed it hopefully...

 

[MojoRobo]

You'd be surprised at how the "GOTY" industry can rob the games that really seem to deserve it.
Didn't Rocket League win over Undertale once?

One game is a masterpiece of the industry and truly representative of the highs that the medium can reach and rightfully deserves the title of GOTY.
The other is Undertale.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

The only one that would make sense is K. Rool, it wouldn't really be Mario Tennis with the rest of those being not really Mario.

Mario Kart Arcade GP and its sequels were still Mario Kart even though Pac-Man was in them.

 

[Pakky]

Yeah, so Smash can still win GOTY.

It should.

Did Uncharted ever win?

I would look it up but, well, I'm lazy.

 

[Nethermoosen]

-insert "this is fine" burning meme here- I guess… I didn't miss much today? lol this drought is making you all crazy (me included tbh). I really hope we get that direct announced soon already to cool our heads a bit

Your monthly forecast. Early September. It’s really ****ing dry.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Well it doesn't help that F-Zero is a dead franchise. Only reason Falcon keeps appearing in these games is because he's among the Sacred 12.

 

[Luigi The President]

Basically, out of every single Smash Bros franchise, F-Zero is the least loved. Having only one character through the near 20 years its been up. Almost every n64 character got their own newcomer... except for F-Zero. This is also after GX, so Deathborn or Black Shadow would be expected. However, due to poor sales of those games, they never bothered (but then put Lucas in for some reason).

Cut back to now, where Falcon is the only F-Zero racer. There is only one "popular" F-Zero character that could place high on the popularity polls, Black Shadow. However, there's a pattern with Ridley and K.Rool that I think will play out. There's a villian newcomer for each N64 character. Then they get an additional echo. This should mean that Falcon will get Deathborn as a newcomer and Black Shadow as an Echo. I also don't think that Deathborn could ever be a boss as well, since 1. He's small, 2. He's a playable character in F-Zero GX, 3. He's kinda set up to be the main antagonist of F-Zero GX. Also Deathborn was not only considered one of the few F-Zero characters that were "Trophy worthy" but he was Falcon's All Star Mode Hard unlock. Said Smash 4 trophy also states that his status as a threat is still over Black Shadow. While the Smash 4 trophies for F-Zero do contain a weird combined anime/game lore, there is an odd thing for them to suddenly change it like that (unless it really is a localization mistake).

So, I don't think that this is just Sakurai dragging a dead horse out into a race for once, he's actually going to try to feed it hopefully...

I feel looking at the inclusion of Ridley and K. Rool for patterns isn't a good idea.
They're Ridley and K. Rool, perhaps the two most requested Smash characters ever, not added just to satisfy a quota.
(For reference: I'm rooting for you and Deathborn )

One game is a masterpiece of the industry and truly representative of the highs that the medium can reach and rightfully deserves the title of GOTY.
The other is Undertale.

See how widely opinions differ with the GOTY?
Your post encapsulates it, I feel.

 

[Enchess]

You'd be surprised at how the "GOTY" industry can rob the games that really seem to deserve it.
Didn't Rocket League win over Undertale once?

Wooooah! Throwing shade on Rocket League are we? I love both those games and normally love RPGs more than wacky sports, but Rocket League > Undertale
seriously though, I can totally see why you disagree. To each their own. Both those games deserved it.

 

[Pakky]

Your monthly outcast. Early September. It’s really ****ing dry.

If your chicken is dry, you didn't use enough butter.

I'll stop...

But real talk I need some news...

 

[Luigi The President]

Wooooah! Throwing shade on Rocket League are we? I love both those games and normally love RPGs more than wacky sports, but Rocket League > Undertale
seriously though, I can totally see why you disagree. To each their own. Both those games deserved it.

Oh fam I enjoy Rocket League. Great game.
And to be honest? Haven't actually played Undertale. I just remember the outrage I saw at that GOTY show.

 

[Deleted member]

How many Scott the Woz pictures do you have? I'm concerned (and that's saying something )

Good question!
Not enough.

 

[Will]

Mario Kart Arcade GP and its sequels were still Mario Kart even though Pac-Man was in them.

Yeah, so?
It's still Mario Kart, but with a guest. This is Mario Tennis with so many not Mario characters in them.

How many Scott the Woz pictures do you have? I'm concerned (and that's saying something )

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[Wambo]

Yeah, I know, right?
People just being themselves on the Internet really shouldn't affect you.
And you definitely shouldn't try to redirect or censor what they're saying or their expressions of themselves, because they're just nameless Internet people, who really aren't affecting you.
Right, Wambo?

You sound really proud of yourself for resurrecting an argument that shut down the thread for a while. It's funny too, because I also don't remember redirecting or censoring anyone during that argument. I remember trying to change the topic while everyone else continued dragging it out, and once my opinion became known, god forbid I drug it out at all.

It's almost like there's some bias here or something.

 

[Nethermoosen]

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Reminder to go watch Scott's new vid.

Aren’t you sad because you didn’t wanna go?

 

[Enchess]

You sound really proud of yourself for resurrecting an argument that shut down the thread for a while. It's funny too, because I also don't remember redirecting or censoring anyone during that argument. I remember trying to change the topic while everyone else continued dragging it out, and once my opinion became known, god forbid I drug it out at all.

He was actually referring to just now when you jumped in to try and stop people from criticizing 4chan I think..

 

[Pakky]

Wooooah! Throwing shade on Rocket League are we? I love both those games and normally love RPGs more than wacky sports, but Rocket League > Undertale
seriously though, I can totally see why you disagree. To each their own. Both those games deserved it.

I wasn't but, here we go, Undertale is Mother 4 cuz Sans is Ness.

Now why did I bring up this old meme.


Partly because I've watched Game theory for like 7 years and it gets worse every episode.

The host also gets shadier and shadier to me.

Like if you're giving a heartfelt episode about something VERY serious do you need to do the 'thing' you do?

The whole rhyming wordplay thing, like why is that a need for every vid?

G-Goomba is a bro though. Always informative with real facts.

 

[Luigi The President]

Good question!
Not enough.

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Just looked this guy up. He strikes fear into me.