Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[IGuessItsOver]

King K. Rool? Pfffft

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

King K. Rool? Pfffft

I'll stan for Wart. Super Mario Bros. 2 was one of my favorite Mario games growing up and I love his theme.

 

[Aurane]

King K. Rool? Pfffft

My favorite Zelda NPC.

 

[pupNapoleon]

King K. Rool? Pfffft

Something amazing has happened since Echo fighters were announced...
everyone I've ever enjoyed at all as a character, or have seen others enjoy greatly, becomes a great option.
(then again, maybe it is the fan favorite aspect)

 

[Cosmic77]

It's obvious they weren't enjoying working on it, one bit. There was more goodwill in goddamn Conker's Bad Fur day compared to this. It's telling Kazooie even outright said "is it just me or have video game characters lost their charm?".

It's sad when you can admit that a game that features a literal pile of poo as a boss gets more love than Nuts and Bolts.

King K. Rool? Pfffft

Extra damage if Peach throws a turnip at him while his mouth is open.

 

[Over9000BPM]

It's sad when you can admit that a game that features a literal pile of poo as a boss gets more love than Nuts and Bolts.


Extra damage if Peach throws a turnip at him while his mouth is open.

Don’t diss him! That song was so catchy! :D

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

King K. Rool? Pfffft

While it's almost certainly fake, it'd be neat to see him in here. Unfortunately even Plum has a better chance of being noticed than him, at this stage.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

I don't think we'll see any ESRB leak this time. I imagine they're gonna be a lot more careful this time because of last time.

So yea I don't think we'll be seeing a leak from them.

It genuinely feels like the bounty is much lower this time around anyways. The amount of effort it would take to make a convincing fake is growing all the time and unlike Smash 4, Ultimate is very forthcoming with its content. It's not like it used to be where there was half a year of darkness on the game and only sporadic updates on things we're taking for granted in Ultimate, like veterans and returning stages.

I wouldn't be surprised if by mid-October we know pretty much everything there is to know. What would they leak then, trophy descriptions?

 

[NintenZ]

King K. Rool? Pfffft

I still can’t get over the fact that those images you posted a few pages back caused a bunch of clickbait YouTube videos to pop up lmfao.

 

[Over9000BPM]

It genuinely feels like the bounty is much lower this time around anyways. The amount of effort it would take to make a convincing fake is growing all the time and unlike Smash 4, Ultimate is very forthcoming with its content. It's not like it used to be where there was half a year of darkness on the game and only sporadic updates on things we're taking for granted in Ultimate, like veterans and returning stages.

I wouldn't be surprised if by mid-October we know pretty much everything there is to know. What would they leak then, trophy descriptions?

Like the Tom Nook trophy write-up is so important to me why does nobody understand?!

 

[MSmariosonic]

It would be awesome if Ultimate's music library extends beyond the 3rd party franchises that are represented by characters and stages

Though I severely doubt it's going to happen

Some examples:

Spoiler: le videos

 

[cothero]

I'm not gonna lie, i'm glad we're not getting new leaks from Verge and loz18, so we might get a few surprises next direct(s).

 

[praline]

It would be awesome if Ultimate's music library extends beyond the 3rd party franchises that are represented by characters and stages

Though I severely doubt it's going to happen

Some examples:

Spoiler: le videos

Dragon Quest, Bravely Default, Bomberman, Chrono Trigger/Cross and Mystical Ninja music please

 

[SmashingXan2]

I'm not gonna lie, i'm glad we're not getting new leaks from Verge and loz18, so we might get a few surprises next direct(s).

Richter and K. Rool weren't leaked.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Dragon Quest, Bravely Default, Bomberman, Chrono Trigger/Cross and Mystical Ninja music please

I’d like to also nominate Star Ocean, NieR, Devil May Cry, and BEMANI for more such music

 

[IGuessItsOver]

I'm not gonna lie, i'm glad we're not getting new leaks from Verge and loz18, so we might get a few surprises next direct(s).

I'm really hoping for Geno, Rayman, Shantae and Batman.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

BEMANI for more such music

How difficult is that one to afford? I know that was an in-house song maker for Konami.

 

[CosmicQuark]

I'm not gonna lie, i'm glad we're not getting new leaks from Verge and loz18, so we might get a few surprises next direct(s).

I'm split. On the one hand, I'd want to go in knowing nothing, to maximize the amount of surprise. On the other hand, I want to have a good idea beyond official announcements to know what to expect--to be reasonably hyped, without going over. And it's difficult because E3 and the last Direct completely shattered my expectations, making me feel like I'm more hyped than I would be otherwise. For instance, assuming Verge is real (I think Loz is just winging it now), he's prepared me for a possible disappointing Pokemon announcement as well as Isabelle (though I've come around to being for it).

But I would like some "legitimate rumor" to clear up things not yet officially announced, even if it's not character related (like, is this the final stage count, or will there be more than four new ones).

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

It would be awesome if Ultimate's music library extends beyond the 3rd party franchises that are represented by characters and stages

Though I severely doubt it's going to happen

Some examples:

Spoiler: le videos

I've been saying this ever since Namco joined the fold:

Ridge Racer music or bust.

 

[BrytonJ]

I'll stan for Wart. Super Mario Bros. 2 was one of my favorite Mario games growing up and I love his theme.

Dear Wart, I wrote you but you still ain't callin...

I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom...

 

[Slavic]

I would absolutely kill for the Ecco the Dolphin soundtrack in Smash

straight bops, all of them

 

[GunBlaze]

Ridge Racer 64 music or bust.

Fixed

 

[MSmariosonic]

We are all forgetting the most important piece of SEGA music

I could listen to it all day long...

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Aero the Acrobat music in Smash would be awesome, but Sunsoft is dead

 

[Starbound]

Maybe it's an early render still being worked on? Shulk and Falco's renders both received slight changes after the game's reveal, and considering that this render hasn't been revealed, nor is likely being revealed anytime soon, it'd make sense for it to be rough around the edges.

Just playing Devil's Advocate.

Since the game is done (due to the ESRB rating), I don't know how early the render can be in development. Or it's an old photo I guess.

Though if we're going with this line of thinking, the Agnes render could be early as well. Though that doesn't address the incorrect accent or the 'RH' logo.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Aero the Acrobat music in Smash would be awesome, but Sunsoft is dead

Somewhat, aren't they the ones that let Inti Creates borrow their license for Blaster Master? I don't think Inti actually owns BM. Plus the fact that some of their stuff was put on the Virtual Console (including the 3DS one). They seem more dormant but not dead than anything else.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

In Nuts and Bolts for whatever reason the writers decided to make every character a condescending *******, everyone in the game including characters like Mumbo Jumbo and Bottles is a **** and it always bothered me whenever I played the game because that isn’t who the characters are.

But yeah, as a car building game it’s fine mechanically, and the soundtrack is wonderful, it’s just not a good Banjo Kazooie game as a whole... Like at all...

I think the problem is that Rare tried pouring on more British self-depreciation humor but they forgot one important thing.

In a game, the audience is part of the action. So when you throw around insults that are supposed to be self knowing winks come off as "we think you are idiots for liking this".

Yooka-Laylee had many of the same problems humor wise.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Waddya know, another blurry pic: http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/429940289

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I think the problem is that Rare tried pouring on more British self-depreciation humor but they forgot one important thing.

In a game, the audience is part of the action. So when you throw around insults that are supposed to be self knowing winks come off as "we think you are idiots for liking this".

Yooka-Laylee had many of the same problems humor wise.

It's what happens when one or most of the guys doing quality control is/are gone. This is what ended up crippling Monty Python in its final season, which was a meandering mess in the way that one"s sketches worked.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Waddya know, another blurry pic: http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/429940289

Hmm... The thing I doubt the most is Banjo having a moveset without Kazooie.
I only played the original and never played Tooie but as far as I know, Kazooie did almost all the moves.

 

[Deleted member]

2018 and pics are still blurry like they're taken with cameras from the 1940's.

 

[Flynn__]

Waddya know, another blurry pic: http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/429940289

Why do Banjo's fingers look like sausages?

 

[CommanderZaktan]

That pic is so 2D. Fake!

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Waddya know, another blurry pic: http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/429940289

WOW, THEY'RE DEFINITIVELY IN THIS TIME!

 

[Guybrush20X6]

WOW, THEY'RE DEFINITIVELY IN THIS TIME!

Is this a Rorschach test?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

WOW, THEY'RE DEFINITIVELY IN THIS TIME!

Where do you keep finding these?

 

[CosmicQuark]

I think the problem is that Rare tried pouring on more British self-depreciation humor but they forgot one important thing.

In a game, the audience is part of the action. So when you throw around insults that are supposed to be self knowing winks come off as "we think you are idiots for liking this".

Yooka-Laylee had many of the same problems humor wise.

I think Yooka-Laylee did a serviceable job--not as great as Banjo & Kazooie's sense of humor, but they never made me feel like an idiot playing, unlike Nuts and Bolts.

Spoiler: Maybe Spoilers?

Except for the Quiz show part where they joke about how they don't have the money to make it good.

Which on the one hand, is the type of self-deprecation I like. It's not making fun of the audience, it's making fun of circumstances outside of their control. N&B leaned into "you're an idiot if you liked those older games, this is what you should be playing instead." However, there are many of the same people who worked on Nuts and Bolts, as well as Yooka-Laylee, so there are some unfortunate similarities.

Since the game is done (due to the ESRB rating), I don't know how early the render can be in development. Or it's an old photo I guess.

Though if we're going with this line of thinking, the Agnes render could be early as well. Though that doesn't address the incorrect accent or the 'RH' logo.

I don't think it's an early render, even if it is real (which I doubt). I'm sure there's little things that seem off about certain character designs, and really outside of a few things that could use some polish (and it'd be in the polishing stage now, I think) it's a really good render. Not the kind of render I would expect out of Smash, but still going beyond my expectations. Which is why part of me wants to believe it's real, even though I know it's not.

EDIT:

Hmm... The thing I doubt the most is Banjo having a moveset without Kazooie.
I only played the original and never played Tooie but as far as I know, Kazooie did almost all the moves.

In Tooie, they did split up and have separate movesets--so I could kind of see Sakurai using that to make B&K and even more unique two-in-one-fighter, but it would take a lot of creativity to pull off, since in the game you could only control one at once. That having been said, there are times when Kazooie is in Banjo's backpack while they're not doing anything, which could be what's happening if it's real (big if, since there's a lot wrong with it).

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Where do you keep finding these?

It was posted on that /v/ thread, someone also posted this

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It was posted on that /v/ thread, someone also posted this

Ok that one looks like someone spent 15 minutes in Source Filmmaker

 

[Guybrush20X6]

It was posted on that /v/ thread, someone also posted this

I think I saw an SFM of that fight once.