Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Fun fact: Tyranitar wasn't originally on the poll, and then I reminded Aussie about its existence.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Lucario or Zoroark?

Lucario

 

[Opossum]

Lucario

That's fair. Quite a few people think it's over designed, for example, from what I've seen. Personally I like the Anubis motif it has going (could do without the random chest spike though).

 

[One winged Devil]

It's funny because Lucario can be female too.

 

[hAKLE]

Yes yes, we know you're anti-fun.

A Mega Mushroom would be great. You wouldn't be able to attack, but instead your entire body becomes a damaging hurtbox. You can simply charge at other players and damage them just by ramming into them at high speed, or completely flatten them by jumping on them/footstooling them.

Oooh boy, it'd be a real screamer, especially if you're already using a character with a large hitbox... and it'd be fun to do with Rosalina as well... ahem.

I think that there should be a regular super mushroom that has the same affects in the previous smash games, but there would be a mega mushroom that enlarges you 2x the size of the super mushroom.

 

[One winged Devil]

So interesting question, what are your guys top 5 female fighters that you think are likely to get into the next game?

 

[Deleted member]

So interesting question, what are your guys top 5 female fighters that you think are likely to get into the next game?

That's an oddly specific question. I can only think of Dixie and Isabelle as far as borderline likely female characters go.
Personally I feel that characters should get in for their own merits rather than to fill a quota.

 

[Luminario]

Except for moves of its own Fighting type.

Though Zoroark is a good example of something they tried to replicate Lucario's success with, but ultimately failed.
More than just for Zoroark being rather situational of a Pokémon to use, but because its movie wasn't as well-received and the initial reception was mixed at best for its design.
....and it didn't help that Zoroark and its pre-evolution Zorua were at the time treated like special event Pokémon with limited distribution (that required OTHER event Pokémon like Celebi and the Shiny Beast Trio).

Basically, they tried too hard to make another "Lucario" that it backfired.
Probably why X/Y didn't repeat the same mistake (though having a movie with something like Tyrantrum as the star would have been awesome and a neat throwback to the original concept of Pokémon 3 before they went with the whole Unown thing).

I wonder if this is also part of the reason Smash 4 skipped Gen 5 too, as the most pushed Pokemon had rather blasé reception.

So interesting question, what are your guys top 5 female fighters that you think are likely to get into the next game?

Inklings, Isabelle, Ashley, Mipha, and Dixie are the most likeliest ones off the top of my head. There's also Pauline, Savvy Stylist, Rhythm Heaven Girl, Daisy, Krystal, Impa, and a Toadette alt for Toad that have varying degrees of slight chances.
Edit: how the hell did I forget Celica?

 

[Deleted member]

I wonder if this is also part of the reason Smash 4 skipped Gen 5 too, as the most pushed Pokemon had rather blasé reception.

Doubtful. By the time Smash 4 started development, Gen 5 was on its last legs and the movie at the time was Keldeo's movie.

Timing is key.

 

[Staarih]

Inklings, Isabelle, Ashley, Mipha, and Dixie are the most likeliest ones off the top of my head. There's also Pauline, Savvy Stylist, Rhythm Heaven Girl, Daisy, Krystal, Impa, and a Toadette alt for Toad that have varying degrees of slight chances.

Pretty much. There's the Xenoblade gals too, of course, Pyra/Mythra probably tagging along with Rex. And while her chance may have come and gone, Elma (who'd be badass) as well.

 

[hAKLE]

If there was one mini-game, mechanic, or in-game feature, what would you want it to be?

 

[Deleted member]

I think Ice Climbers is almost guaranteed next game.
Either way I have a question for you all.
If you had to add a legendary in Smash for Switch, who would it be?
Zeraora would be a good choice. It is getting a movie of it's own, has a great potential move-set and seems trending in the new generation. Then again, it does not seem that popular. I am sure there are other better legnedaries to be added.

 

[hAKLE]

I think Ice Climbers is almost guaranteed next game.
Either way I have a question for you all.
If you had to add a legendary in Smash for Switch, who would it be?
Zeraora would be a good choice. It is getting a movie of it's own, has a great potential move-set and seems trending in the new generation. Then again, it does not seem that popular. I am sure there are other better legnedaries to be added.

do you mean pokemon?

 

[One winged Devil]

That's an oddly specific question. I can only think of Dixie and Isabelle as far as borderline likely female characters go.
Personally I feel that characters should get in for their own merits rather than to fill a quota.

Not really that specific,

Who the heck is talking about quota's? I just asked a simple question my boy.

I wonder if this is also part of the reason Smash 4 skipped Gen 5 too, as the most pushed Pokemon had rather blasé reception.

Inklings, Isabelle, Ashley, Mipha, and Dixie are the most likeliest ones off the top of my head. There's also Pauline, Savvy Stylist, Rhythm Heaven Girl, Daisy, Krystal, Impa, and a Toadette alt for Toad that have varying degrees of slight chances.

So how would Pauline play? That's what I would like to know.

If there was one mini-game, mechanic, or in-game feature, what would you want it to be?

Boss Battles.

Pretty much. There's the Xenoblade gals too, of course, Pyra/Mythra probably tagging along with Rex. And while her chance may have come and gone, Elma (who'd be badass) as well.

I would love to see Elma with a Primorda stage in the next game, mainly so I can hear Uncontrollable play while I kick ass with her.

If you had to add a legendary in Smash for Switch, who would it be?

Deoxys easily.

 

[hAKLE]

I think Ice Climbers is almost guaranteed next game.
Either way I have a question for you all.
If you had to add a legendary in Smash for Switch, who would it be?
Zeraora would be a good choice. It is getting a movie of it's own, has a great potential move-set and seems trending in the new generation. Then again, it does not seem that popular. I am sure there are other better legnedaries to be added.

ohhh, I thought you meant legendaries in pokeballs. Well in that case, I would like Marshadow. I see him as a swift, sneaky, and in worst case scenarios, a destructive character, like a cross between greninja and jigglypuff.
edit: I should make a marshadow support forum

 

[Deleted member]

Not really that specific,

Who the heck is talking about quota's? I just asked a simple question my boy.

You're asking which characters of a specific gender have a good chance of getting in. That's pretty specific.

And "We need more female characters" is a common arguement for characters like Dixie, Krystal, etc., in other words, filling a quota. Sorry for jumping into conclusions.

Out of all female characters that could potentially make it in (Not saying that they're likely), I just really, REALLY hope Daisy isn't in. I also don't want Krystal but I'd be able to at the very least tolerate her inclusion.

 

[One winged Devil]

You're asking which characters of a specific gender have a good chance of getting in. That's pretty specific.

While it is kinda specific, if you really want it really specific I could have asked why non 1 gen non legendary Pokemon would you like to see get in.

And "We need more female characters" is a common arguement for characters like Dixie, Krystal, etc., in other words, filling a quota. Sorry for jumping into conclusions.

I mean that's not a bad reason to back up those characters getting to smash, not saying it should be the only reason why but one of the reasons why they get into game alongside other things.

Out of all female characters that could potentially make it in (Not saying that they're likely), I just really, REALLY hope Daisy isn't in. I also don't want Krystal but I'd be able to at the very least tolerate her inclusion.

OK can we not do this please.

 

[Opossum]

So interesting question, what are your guys top 5 female fighters that you think are likely to get into the next game?

Inkling, Isabelle, Dixie Kong, Pyra (alongside Rex so she...half counts, I guess). Fifth gets a bit harder to say. Potentially the star of FE16, though that depends on whether or not they're female. Edit: Forgot Mipha. Put her as fifth.

As far as who I'd want though, regardless of likelihood, Celica would be fantastic.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Honestly, Daisy is quite popular and would complete the trifecta of Mario princesses. I wouldn't be surprised if she got in with a moveset based on Mario Party and Mario sports.

Her inclusion would be bad news for Waluigi supporters though.

 

[Luminario]

I think Ice Climbers is almost guaranteed next game.
Either way I have a question for you all.
If you had to add a legendary in Smash for Switch, who would it be?
Zeraora would be a good choice. It is getting a movie of it's own, has a great potential move-set and seems trending in the new generation. Then again, it does not seem that popular. I am sure there are other better legnedaries to be added.

While it's not remotely popular, I'd like to see Magearna. It could use Crafty Shield as a large projectile nullifier, and Fleur Cannon as a heavy hitting attack that lowers it's speed and attack for a few seconds after being used.

So how would Pauline play? That's what I would like to know.

I don't really know how they'd do it in-game, but I've thought that she could bring out the Minis to mirror their living counterparts' attacks (For example: down tilt has her bring out a Mini Luigi to do regular Luigi's dash attack along the ground, or dash attack has her hold out Mini Peach to do regular Peach's fair) along with actually being able to summon them as autonomous fighters who do a certain action (Mini Luigi jumps through the air forwards in a wide arc, Mini Bowser spews small fireballs forwards, etc)

 

[Cosmic77]

So interesting question, what are your guys top 5 female fighters that you think are likely to get into the next game?

Excluding characters with swappable genders, I'd say Pauline, Mipha, Pyra (with Rex), Isabelle, and Dixie.


Although I'd like to see more female characters in Smash (particularly a female villain of some sort), I've never really supported a character solely because of their gender. It's just something I never put much thought into. I'd gladly take any of the characters I listed, but they'd better be just as unique (or better) than the other potential candidates from their franchise.

So how would Pauline play? That's what I would like to know.

Thanks to Odyssey, I could totally see Pauline's tilts and Smash attacks involving swinging out a microphone stand at opponents.

Honestly, Daisy is quite popular and would complete the trifecta of Mario princesses. I wouldn't be surprised if she got in with a moveset based on Mario Party and Mario sports.

Her inclusion would be bad news for Waluigi supporters though.

Daisy is a weird case.

She "makes sense" because we already have Peach and Rosalina, but adding her now of all times just seems random. I'd really like to see Daisy have a major role in a Mario game to tie in with her debut in Smash. Doesn't have to happen that way, but I think it would help her remove her image of being the "princess of Mario spin-offs".

 

[Bowserlick]

If Pauline were to get in, I would say she would enter as a representative of Mario Odyssey and it's game design.

Mario Galaxy featured Co-op play. Rosalina & Luma took that element and other references as inspiration for their design. This method is perhaps a narrow doorway into Smash for Pauline.

 

[Cosmic77]

If Pauline were to get in, I would say she would enter as a representative for Mario Odyssey and it's game design.

Mario Galaxy featured Co-op play. Rosalina & Luma took that element and other references as inspiration for their design. This method is perhaps a narrow doorway into Smash for Pauline.

That's exactly what I've been thinking. The only problem is trying to come up with a moveset that not only represents Odyssey, but also suits Pauline and her capabilities. I suppose you could give her Cappy or a random Bonneter as a partner so she could perform transformations like Mario could. That wouldn't seem too forced... Right?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I probably should have clarified that I'd say Pikachu, Charizard and Lucario are safer than Greninja. I meant he's likely lower priority than those 3 going forwards.
Mewtwo's not in the best position because in a new game he's likely lower priority than all the other Pokemon (besides Jiggs) plus the inevitable Pokemon newcomer(s).
Of course, I could be completely wrong on this though. There's too much we don't know about the next game for me to be able to make any reliable conclusion.

Ah, alright. I can see where you're coming from with that.

Mewtwo though? Eh, honestly, the only reason I personally would have any concern about it going is because we can't be certain of how characters who were DLC in 4 are going to be handled in the next game. I mean, it has a tremendous amount of fan support and and far as I can tell it's pretty iconic in it's own right, even years past it's original movie in the anime. Worth noting is that it was also planned for Brawl, but just didn't make the cut. Your point about it's priority is still valid for that reason, though. It might've only made the cut this time because of that growing fan support and because DLC was an option now. It would've been on the default roster of 4 if it was higher priority.

That said, it's probably safe to bet that Mewtwo, as a DLC character, has been successful and profitable. With that and it's support, I really don't see why they'd leave it out in the next game. The question then would be whether that success warrants making it part of the default roster again or not. As others have pointed out previously, I do agree that we can't be sure how DLC characters are going to be treated in the next game.

Really, we won't be able to make many reliable conclusions about anything for the hypothetical next Smash for a while. I might think that the current Pokemon cast is safe for the next game but you've got a point there, too.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

On the note of Daisy, I've said this before, but I don't see any issue with simply having her represent the Mario spin-offs, which are a pretty big part of the Mario series. Put her in her sports attire and she can be faster and more agile than Peach in a dress, and it opens up for some different attacks she can use. Preferably ones based on her flower-oriented special attacks throughout the games. It may not be the "best" way to have a character, but I think it would certainly keep her from being, say, a Peach clone or semi-clone.

Of course there's the matter that Waluigi would probably fill the same role; in that case I'd say it depends on which of the two you want more. I'd go with Daisy, but that's just me.

 

[Bowserlick]

That's exactly what I've been thinking. The only problem is trying to come up with a moveset that not only represents Odyssey, but also suits Pauline and her capabilities. I suppose you could give her Cappy or a random Bonneter as a partner so she could perform transformations like Mario could. That wouldn't seem too forced... Right?

Pauline does have a hat. Give the hat eyes and you have Cappy. Transformations might seem forced and hard to pull off without being broken or a creating a character anchored down by a difficult gimmick. Throwing the hat and jumping off the hat is fine. But then what else can she do?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I have no qualms with Daisy as long as we don't get her in the form of a Peach clone.

I might prefer Waluigi first, but I wouldn't complain if we got a fairly unique Daisy, either.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm the opposite.
Daisy being a clone is the only way I'd accept her, because I would know that no development time was wasted on her.

 

[Cosmic77]

Pauline does have a hat. Give the hat eyes and you have Cappy. Transformations might seem forced and hard to pull off without being broken or a creating a character anchored down by a difficult gimmick. Throwing the hat and jumping off the hat is fine. But then what else can she do?

Pauline doesn't necessarily have to capture things like Mario did in Odyssey. I was just thinking that her specials could involve her transforming into certain Odyssey enemies. For example, her side special could involve her turning into a Bullet Bill and blasting forward into opponents. Throwing her hat could just be a neutral special used as a projectile and a way to get a third jump.

 

[Lukingordex]

Honestly, for a Mario spin-offs representative, I think Waluigi would have more priority than Daisy. He was even the main antagonist of one of the games.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So how would Pauline play? That's what I would like to know.

There's surprisingly a lot of material. Super hammer, jazz, music, musical instruments, Mini-Mario Toys, various hazards from Donkey Kong, Parasol, etc.

If Pauline were to get in, I would say she would enter as a representative of Mario Odyssey and it's game design.

Mario Galaxy featured Co-op play. Rosalina & Luma took that element and other references as inspiration for their design. This method is perhaps a narrow doorway into Smash for Pauline.

She'd obviously take a lot from Odyssey, but I don't know why people consider her a representative of the Mario series.

She appeared in literally one Mario game in a level based off of Donkey Kong in which she was SURROUNDED by references to Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Country.

Honestly, for a Mario spin-offs representative, I think Waluigi would have more priority than Daisy. He was even the main antagonist of one of the games.

"Mario spin-offs representative"? I don't think that's a thing. I don't think there's a slot labelled "Mario Spin-off representative" that one of those two characters has to fill. Besides Daisy was in Super Mario Land and Super Mario Run.

 

[Bowserlick]

Pauline doesn't necessarily have to capture things like Mario did in Odyssey. I was just thinking that her specials could involve her transforming into certain Odyssey enemies. For example, her side special could involve her turning into a Bullet Bill and blasting forward into opponents. Throwing her hat could just be a neutral special used as a projectile and a way to get a third jump.

That seems a bit forced. I wonder if they could project Pauline's New Donk Cityness in her moveset, just as Rosalina has her space motiff. Maybe Pauline could call a speeding taxi instead of turning into a bullet bill?

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

That seems a bit forced. I wonder if they could project Pauline's New Donk Cityness in her moveset, just as Rosalina has her space motiff. Maybe Pauline could call a speeding taxi instead of turning into a bullet bill?

I'm not a big Pauline supporter, though I think she'd take less from Super Mario Odyssey, as aside from singing two of the game's songs she doesn't really do anything. Instead, I think she'd take from the arcade Donkey Kong games as well as Mario vs. Donkey Kong. One attack could involve her winding up Mini-Marios for example.

And yeah you could make the argument that Rosalina had a similar issue, but she at least had the concept of cosmic powers on her side. You could make something based on Super Mario Odyssey for Pauline, sure, but it wouldn't really be as obvious.

 

[Bowserlick]

Pauline's hat can have magician hat summoning qualities.

She can turn the hate upside down, the cavity side facing away from her and shoot out pigeons and drop out DK arcade hazards.

 

[Luminario]

If Pauline were to get in, I would say she would enter as a representative of Mario Odyssey and it's game design.

Mario Galaxy featured Co-op play. Rosalina & Luma took that element and other references as inspiration for their design. This method is perhaps a narrow doorway into Smash for Pauline.

I don't think Rosaluma was that thought out. I think Sakurai saw Luma hanging around Rosalina in Galaxy and Mario Kart Wii and thought "that's a bangin idea for Smash" and then the wheels of inspiration just kept turning from there.

Ah, alright. I can see where you're coming from with that.

Mewtwo though? Eh, honestly, the only reason I personally would have any concern about it going is because we can't be certain of how characters who were DLC in 4 are going to be handled in the next game. I mean, it has a tremendous amount of fan support and and far as I can tell it's pretty iconic in it's own right, even years past it's original movie in the anime. Worth noting is that it was also planned for Brawl, but just didn't make the cut. Your point about it's priority is still valid for that reason, though. It might've only made the cut this time because of that growing fan support and because DLC was an option now. It would've been on the default roster of 4 if it was higher priority.

That said, it's probably safe to bet that Mewtwo, as a DLC character, has been successful and profitable. With that and it's support, I really don't see why they'd leave it out in the next game. The question then would be whether that success warrants making it part of the default roster again or not. As others have pointed out previously, I do agree that we can't be sure how DLC characters are going to be treated in the next game.

Really, we won't be able to make many reliable conclusions about anything for the hypothetical next Smash for a while. I might think that the current Pokemon cast is safe for the next game but you've got a point there, too.

Oh I completely agree that Mewtwo was a successful first DLC character, the problem lies in balancing out the development time with all the other characters. Mewtwo could unfortunately once again just miss the roster. He just can't catch a break .


On to Pauline again, you lot are restricting her potential moveset too much here. She can have Odyssey and Mario vs DK and Donkey Kong Arcade elements throughout her moveset, just like how Peach has SMB2, RPG, and Mario spin-off elements to hers. Between Cappy, the Minis, her handbag, parasol, girders, springs, and just regular slaps and kicks, she's got a moveset to use.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Pauline doesn't necessarily have to capture things like Mario did in Odyssey. I was just thinking that her specials could involve her transforming into certain Odyssey enemies. For example, her side special could involve her turning into a Bullet Bill and blasting forward into opponents.

Shouldn't a character's abilities have something to do with the character? What is the correlation between Pauline and...turning into a bullet bill???

That seems a bit forced. I wonder if they could project Pauline's New Donk Cityness in her moveset, just as Rosalina has her space motiff. Maybe Pauline could call a speeding taxi instead of turning into a bullet bill?

That's just as forced as her becoming a bullet bill. Why are the first moves people come up with someone summoning a vehicle to...move forward? Like how many move sets involve Waluigi or Toad summoning a go kart?

None of these moves make any sense for Pauline. Pauline is mostly known for Donkey Kong and Mario VS Donkey Kong as well as being a jazz enthusiast. She's not known for driving a taxi and being a bullet bill.

 

[One winged Devil]

Pauline would just be a Bowser clone anyway.

Edit

Pauline could use stuff from the original Donkey Kong game like the hammer. barrels, etc.

She could even use moves from the GB version of Donkey Kong like the tight rope swing that mario can do in the game has a recovery move.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Pauline's hat can have magician hat summoning qualities.

She can turn the hate upside down, the cavity side facing away from her and shoot out pigeons and drop out DK arcade hazards.

That seems a bit forced. I wonder if they could project Pauline's New Donk Cityness in her moveset, just as Rosalina has her space motiff. Maybe Pauline could call a speeding taxi instead of turning into a bullet bill?

Pauline doesn't necessarily have to capture things like Mario did in Odyssey. I was just thinking that her specials could involve her transforming into certain Odyssey enemies. For example, her side special could involve her turning into a Bullet Bill and blasting forward into opponents. Throwing her hat could just be a neutral special used as a projectile and a way to get a third jump.

Pauline's hat can have magician hat summoning qualities.

She can turn the hate upside down, the cavity side facing away from her and shoot out pigeons and drop out DK arcade hazards.

This is embarrassing. I'm so glad this isn't how they conceptualize characters in Super Smash Bros.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

That's just as forced as her becoming a bullet bill. Why are the first moves people come up with someone summoning a vehicle to...move forward? Like how many move sets involve Waluigi or Toad summoning a go kart?

probably because people wanna cash in on Wario Bike.

 

[Lukingordex]

"Mario spin-offs representative"? I don't think that's a thing. I don't think there's a slot labelled "Mario Spin-off representative" that one of those two characters has to fill. Besides Daisy was in Super Mario Land and Super Mario Run.

Regardless if they have or not to fill such a hole according to you, i was just responding to the other posts that were already talking about that possibility, i was not the one who raised it in the first place, so you're quoting the wrong person