Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

I guess there's just gonna be zero cuts in Super Smash Bros according to this thread.

Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting cuts to happen for varying reasons (low priority (semi-)clone characters, third parties with legal issues, etc.). Shulk is just a character I don't see being cut.

 

[Deleted member]

Bayonetta

I fail to see why they'd cut the ballot winner whose franchise is basically exclusive to Nintendo at this point.

 

[Bowserlick]

I fail to see why they'd cut the ballot winner whose franchise is basically exclusive to Nintendo at this point.

Fair point. Do you think she would return on the initial roster if she returns or once again be for purchase?

 

[RandomAce]

Fair point. Do you think she would return on the initial roster if she returns or once again be for purchase?

Nintendo treats Bayonetta as their own IP so she's going to be in the base roster, I'm betting on that.

 

[Cosmic77]

Cut predictions: Roy, Lucas, Dr. Mario, Toon Link, Cloud, Bayonetta, Lucina, Dark Pit

For the most part, I can agree with everything except Toon Link and Bayo.

Toon Link has been around for two Smash games, so I think he's here to stay. Bayo could get cut, but I don't find that likely after everything Nintendo has been doing with her series.

Fair point. Do you think she would return on the initial roster if she returns or once again be for purchase?

Hard to say. We've never had DLC before, so I'm still curious to see how those seven downloadable characters will be handled in Smash 5.

 

[Deleted member]

Fair point. Do you think she would return on the initial roster if she returns or once again be for purchase?

I feel like she's more likely to be on the intial roster.
She's owned by Sega, just like Sonic, and I'd imagine she'd be high priority, being the ballot winner and all.

 

[Bowserlick]

Because Nintendo funds her games, I could see the Smash director not making her a priority if she remains technically third-party. She is an easy late-addition if they want to focus on other characters. I can see an argument for her being a download just as some cut characters like Mewtwo were.

 

[TheWill44]

If any of the original 12 characters would be cut, which one would it be?

 

[Deleted member]

If any of the original 12 characters would be cut, which one would it be?

Is that even a question?

I wouldn't even be upset

 

[RandomAce]

If any of the original 12 characters would be cut, which one would it be?

I can see Jigglypuff getting the boot. She is usually added late into development and there were many attempts of removing her.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting cuts to happen for varying reasons (low priority (semi-)clone characters, third parties with legal issues, etc.). Shulk is just a character I don't see being cut.

Well, there definitely aren't any semi-clones left to cut.

 

[Bowserlick]

Wasn't Ness actually endangered of being replaced by Lucas at some point? But now that Ness had priority over Lucas in Sm4sh, perhaps he has solidified his spot.

Jiggs seems most likely to be cut out of the original 12.

 

[Opossum]

If any of the original 12 characters would be cut, which one would it be?

Undoubtedly Jigglypuff. Pokémon is ever-changing and as a result needs continuous new characters, and of the veterans she's also the least important, I'd say.

That being said considering she's an easy addition I don't see her being cut any time soon, but hey, it's a hypothetical.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, there definitely aren't any semi-clones left to cut.

When I said (semi-)clones, I also meant to include the Lucina/Pittoo-level ones. I put those parentheses there for a reason.

 

[RandomAce]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but 2018 has been in a rough spot for Smash, especially if there is a going to be a port or a sequel. What do you think? Is there gonna be an enhanced port, Smash 4.5, or Smash 5 reveal this year?

I personally feel like a Smash 4.5 would be the best option to revise Smash 4 and give it a different feel.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but 2018 has been in a rough spot for Smash, especially if there is a going to be a port or a sequel. What do you think? Is there gonna be an enhanced port, Smash 4.5, or Smash 5 reveal this year?

I personally feel like a Smash 4.5 would be the best option to revise Smash 4 and give it a different feel.

I would say a port where all the characters are brought back and then the rest of the game focuses on adding new content and even more newcomers.

I would say I'd prefer that, but one thing that bugged me about Smash for Wii U is that every character felt like they were ripped from Brawl. One of the reasons Brawl is so great is that it made every veteran feel like a newcomer.

 

[Diddy Kong]

If any of the original 12 characters would be cut, which one would it be?

Most likely Jigglypuff. Then again, I can see no logical arguement for it since she's so easily to recreate. Which got her in in the first place. I think they literally copy-pasted Jigglypuff from Brawl to Smash 4 for example. She has probably the least changes overall in her gameplay and moveset.

All others are extremely safe, but Captain Falcon is far less iconic at this point than the rest. However, ultimate meme status and FALCON PUNCH alone will keep him in.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

For a while now I've wondered what the odds are of us getting a new Pokemon character and retaining all of our current Pokemon veterans in the next entry.

I used to to think that Greninja had a moderate chance of getting cut in the following Smash (whenever it would come to be) but now I think it's spot in Smash is a lot more secure. As far as I can tell, Lucario largely got in for similar reasons as Greninja, and Lucartio stayed over for Smash 4 after making his Smash debut in Brawl, as did Charizard which is also a prominent and very popular Pokemon in it's own right.

It is true though that Jigglypuff is the most likely out of any of the original 12 characters to be cut....which is a shame, but even then, it's very unlikely that she'll be cut unless something takes up a serious amount of development time. She's always been one of low priority characters, but still hasn't gone anywhere so far.

I'm positive that we're going to get another Pokemon newcomer in the next game, but I'm curious. What do you guys think are the odds of every current Pokemon vet staying around for the next game (not counting a port in this case, of course), in addition to getting at least one newcomer from that same franchise?

 

[Cosmic77]

For a while now I've wondered what the odds are of us getting a new Pokemon character and retaining all of our current Pokemon veterans in the next entry.

I used to to think that Greninja had a moderate chance of getting cut in the following Smash (whenever it would come to be) but now I think it's spot in Smash is a lot more secure. As far as I can tell, Lucario largely got in for similar reasons as Greninja, and Lucartio stayed over for Smash 4 after making his Smash debut in Brawl, as did Charizard which is also a prominent and very popular Pokemon in it's own right.

It is true though that Jigglypuff is the most likely out of any of the original 12 characters to be cut....which is a shame, but even then, it's very unlikely that she'll be cut unless something takes up a serious amount of development time. She's always been one of low priority characters, but still hasn't gone anywhere so far.

I'm positive that we're going to get another Pokemon newcomer in the next game, but I'm curious. What do you guys think are the odds of every current Pokemon vet staying around for the next game (not counting a port in this case, of course), in addition to getting at least one newcomer from that same franchise?

Honestly, I think this might finally be the Smash game where no Pokémon characters get cut. Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, and Jigglypuff have been present in Smash long enough for me to feel like they've solidified themselves on the roster. Greninja is a newcomer, but I really don't see any reason for him to get cut unless they're absolutely desperate to cut a Pokémon character. Mewtwo is a DLC character, which makes him more expendable, but the blatantly large amount of fan support he has in competitive Smash makes me think that cutting him from the roster would basically be suicide on the development team's part.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, I think this might finally be the Smash game where no Pokémon characters get cut. Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, and Jigglypuff have been present in Smash long enough for me to feel like they've solidified themselves on the roster. Greninja is a newcomer, but I really don't see any reason for him to get cut. Mewtwo is a DLC character, which makes him more expendable, but the blatantly large amount of fan support he has makes me think that cutting him from the roster would be suicide.

I 100% agree with this. All pokemon that are in Smash 4 are the very popular ones, probably the most popular. Jigglypuff is different, she is popular because of Smash Brothers. I am hoping for a new Pokemon fighter appearing like Decuideye. It is nice to have an archer-like grass fighter enter the battlefield.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Gengar > Jigglypuff

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

It's hard to give a probability for that. It's weighted on an average of conditional probabilities with and without Sakurai directing. I'd say about 5/8.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I have the feeling all of you must love your veterans. That could explain why Pichu won the last poll. I thought he wouldn't far well against the other starters, but that surprised me in the end. Just actual Pokemon popularity, Typholsion and Feraligatr had more love than Meganium (sad).

Next up, things will be interesting since I have not only a certain Pokken fan favorite, but a mon who grew beautiful in his Mega Evolution. Your picks are Heracross, Scizor, Wobbuffet, and Ampharos.

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Good luck.

Aww man, why you gotta make me pick between Heracross and Scizor?

The "Rex must replace Shulk" arguments remind me of how Ike "replaced" Roy, and how it was believed that Chrom would replace Ike.

Same with how Lucario "replaced" Mewtwo.

Lord help us all over the lack of common sense with this one

If any of the original 12 characters would be cut, which one would it be?

Jigglypuff without a doubt.


You know, the more I think about the cuts here, the more I think there's a possibility they could always end up in DLC instead of being completely cut like we thought happened to Lucas. Thoughts?



Anyway I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon about Smash 4/5 with the newcomers:


- I'd say he would probably still make it to 5mash. AC is still a popular series and can't see anyone else being the first rep. Now makes me wonder if he would've been an Assist Trophy?
- Low chances. Unless they did something more recently, I can't see her making 5mash unless they pulled a trump card like they did with this game.
- With Mega Man 11 around, he would have a chance plus being a popular 3rd party.
- Would still be heavily requested. The question is if he would still be in Assist Trophy for the Wii U/3DS
- This is a tough one. While there is a competition between her, Toad, and Jr for the Mario series, I'd say she would get in due to the amount of popularity she has gotten lately plus being in 3D World helped her chances. However, I am curious if they thought about putting her as an AT if they couldn't make her playable?
- I'd say a given. Popular with Nintendo since the Wii system so they were gonna get in even though many of us aren't fascinated with them at the moment.
- Same as Megaman but less chances
- Most likely would make 5mash. Would probably remain as Pit's Final Smash or an AT had she didn't make it.
- I'd say 50/50. Her popularity in the Fire Emblem series would make her stay, but the clone is one of her downfalls
- Wii U/3DS saved him from missing out. Had he didn't make it, the spot is pretty much gone for him despite his unique moveset.
- Would still get a solid shoo-in for 5mash with how popular he has became over the last few years.
- Retro/WTF rep so most likely yes
- I'd say he would still get in but would have to deal with Rex being a competitive person for the Xeno series.
- Same as Rosalina
- Same as Pacman
- Most likely would still get in 5mash due to Sakurai's favorism towards the KI series. He went from being an alt attire to playable at the last minute, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was cloned or unique moveset in 5mash instead of what we got here
- 50/50 from me. I'd say with his popularity and being an iconic character, 5mash would probably give him a spot.
- As much as I dislike her as a character, she would most likely get in with trying to become her own IP.
- Would've been blocked out from 5mash. Was only put in due to advertising Fates similar to how Roy was in.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Bayonetta's here to stay, sorry haters. She is every bit as iconic as the rest of the third party Smash stars and Nintendo obviously agrees. Considering that she also has a third Switch-exclusive game on the way, and the fact that she literally won a popularity contest to get in, there's absolutely no reason to believe she won't come back.

In all honesty though I think all of the third parties will be coming back. They have amiibos for them and will want to make extensive use of them.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

People already bought the amiibos. They don't need to support them, lol.

 

[Deleted member]

- Same as Megaman but less iconic

>Pac-Man
>Less iconic than Mega Man

She is every bit as iconic as the rest of the third party Smash stars

>Bayonetta
>Just as iconic as the other third parties in Smash

I never thought someone would say either of these.

 

[Bowserlick]

Some people want a reboot. Instead of reboots Smash can have spin-offs and vs. games.

Nintendo VS Sega
Blade Brothers
Pokemon Smash
Mushroom Kingdom Vs. Hyrule

Each game could have their own specific mechanic or feature to keep the
reoccurring characters from other Smash games a little different in each edition.

 

[Megadoomer]

Bayonetta's here to stay, sorry haters. She is every bit as iconic as the rest of the third party Smash stars and Nintendo obviously agrees. Considering that she also has a third Switch-exclusive game on the way, and the fact that she literally won a popularity contest to get in, there's absolutely no reason to believe she won't come back.

In all honesty though I think all of the third parties will be coming back. They have amiibos for them and will want to make extensive use of them.

While I feel like saying that she's as iconic as the rest of the third party characters is a bit much (way less people would recognize her in comparison to Sonic, Pac-Man, or Cloud, even though the quality of her games are top-notch), I definitely agree that she's not going anywhere for the other reasons that you mentioned, and the fact that she's owned by Sega.

Sonic's the closest thing that there is to a shoo-in as far as third parties go, and due to 2/3 of Bayonetta's games being Nintendo exclusive and her winning the popularity poll (or at least being the highest-voted character that they could use), it makes sense that they'd try to get her back at the same time.

Some people want a reboot. Instead of reboots Smash can have spin-offs and vs. games.

Nintendo VS Sega
Blade Brothers
Pokemon Smash
Mushroom Kingdom Vs. Hyrule

Each game could have their own specific mechanic or feature to keep the
reoccurring characters from other Smash games a little different in each edition.

I feel like that would dilute the series. It's like Star Wars getting a bunch of new movie trilogies and a ton of spin-offs - I'm concerned that it would make new releases in the series less of an event, and more of an annual thing that isn't as noteworthy.

 

[UserKev]

Bayo has a powerful exception behind her. She represents the explicitly of Smash. You could probably claim Peach represented it in theory but, Bayo ended up defining the intend.

 

[PixelSun]

And what is your evidence for either of those declarative statements?

Maybe it's easier for you to make a move set for the former when you're just a fan with no imagination or experience in game development, specifically experience in developing characters for Super Smash Brothers the past 19 years.

No offense, but what you said is completely ignorant. I don't know where you got the idea that a character is more likely because they require less imagination. Unless you're talking about a clone.

They actually fight in their own games = they can take some moves from there = it's easier to make a moveset (since it requires less work and imagination to do so)
Also chill out dude

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Also chill out dude

I'm totally calm, "dude".

 

[Bowserlick]

Ice Climbers return.

What changes do they get?

 

[NintenRob]

Ice Climbers return.

What changes do they get?

How about a new Final Smash?

Even if it's generic like a giant Ice Beam

 

[Lukingordex]

Ice Climbers return.

What changes do they get?

I'm expecting Sakurai to make it danm sure they don't have any kind of 0 to death this time around

 

[Bowserlick]

How about a new Final Smash?

Even if it's generic like a giant Ice Beam

A new Final Smash is in order. An ice beam would be an elegant and simple way.

In order to keep the stage morphing aspect, I wonder if the original stage could disappear (with cold mist effects) to reveal an exclusive ice stage, with traps and freezing elements, in its place.

I'm expecting Sakurai to make it danm sure they don't have any kind of 0 to death this time around

Chain throws were eliminated for Sm4sh. The Ice Climbers ability to desync may be problematic still, yet they were to make the games if not for limitations on the 3DS.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

If they can't desync, it seems kind of pointless to bring them back.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If they can't desync, it seems kind of pointless to bring them back.

So if they can't do something hardcore competitive players found out, AKA not their main gimmick, there's no point? Well, cut everyone who can't wave dash then

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

So if they can't do something hardcore competitive players found out, AKA not their main gimmick, there's no point? Well, cut everyone who can't wave dash then

If they can't do cool ****, then yeah, I'm not interested in them.

 

[Curious Villager]

Didn't Jigglypuff become relevant in the anime again? Making occasional appearances and even in the new credits, receiving also new merchandise as a result? If she where to be cut, it would have made more sense during Smash 4 or even Brawl where she was at her most irrelevant. Not now.

I think Pokemon can get away with seven characters like Mario did, I don't really see any of them getting cut for the next game.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If they can't do cool ****, then yeah, I'm not interested in them.

I bet you're upset at easy modes in games too. Think of the majority, casual fans