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[Opossum]

Next starters of pokemon could be Water/Ice - Fire/Ground - Grass/Rock in order to do a double rock-paper-scissors like the Fighting/Dark/Psychic combinations in Generation 6.

Currently 10 of the 18 types are in Smash 4. If those pokemon appear on Switch, Grass/Rock would make 12 out of 18. Only three more double types then would need to be present for all types to be represented.

Technically it wouldn't be a full double triangle because Fire does NVE damage to Rock, making the Fire/Ground starter the weaker on a typing basis alone.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

This one was more straight forward, Gengar was the victor probably due to having the most appealing aspects of all Pokemon. Ivysaur was at least close due to veteran support and Blastoise was close. Poor Machamp just takes a massive L for the day like his preevolution.

Next up may possibly be the last Gen 1 poll before I move on to Gen 2. Your picks are Venasaur, Squirtle (a veteran), Raichu, and Snorlax.

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This one may be interesting.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

But it does.
He argues that Pauline is more likely than other DK characters because she's more recognizeable, but then he says that popularity is the deciding factor.
I was merely pointing out a flaw in his logic.

If it weren't for Super Mario Odyssey, than you might have a point. Pauline is a draw BECAUSE she is recognizable. I NEVER said popularity is THE deciding factor and I never mentioned the word "recognizable" in the post you're replying to. When I talk about popularity, I'm NOT talking about who's a more requested newcomer in the Smash fan base.

I was saying characters that hardcore fans and casual gamer know and love are more likely as apposed to the character with the more significant role in their series (villains, playable characters, etc). So Pauline DEFINITELY applies to that. If you take a step outside the hardcore Smash fan base, more people know who Pauline is compared to Dixie & King K. Rool, so she would be a bigger draw as a character. Especially after Odyssey.

I'm not saying Pauline is more likely because being in Donkey Kong makes her more important. I'm saying that being in Donkey Kong (and Super Mario Odyssey, I suppose) makes her a more recognizable icon, thus drawing in more people. It kinda overshadows the "Well, Dixie was playable and King K. Rool is a villain".

But, the most important thing to keep in mind is that there are always exceptions and changes of mind in Super Smash Bros. So you can't just grab one character and go "Well, what about this guy?! YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT CRUMBLES! Ice Climbers are in Super Smash Bros so that means being recognizable doesn't matter anymore!"

 

[Bowserlick]

Technically it wouldn't be a full double triangle because Fire does NVE damage to Rock, making the Fire/Ground starter the weaker on a typing basis alone.

So, it would have to be Fire/Rock - Grass/Ice - Water/Ground?

Giving all of them 4x weakness to the first typing of the combinations.

 

[Deleted member]

If it weren't for Super Mario Odyssey, than you might have a point. Pauline is a draw BECAUSE she is recognizable. I NEVER said popularity is THE deciding factor and I never mentioned the word "recognizable" in the post you're replying to. When I talk about popularity, I'm NOT talking about who's a more requested newcomer in the Smash fan base.

I was saying characters that hardcore fans and casual gamer know and love are more likely as apposed to the character with the more significant role in their series (villains, playable characters, etc). So Pauline DEFINITELY applies to that. If you take a step outside the hardcore Smash fan base, more people know who Pauline is compared to Dixie & King K. Rool, so she would be a bigger draw as a character. Especially after Odyssey.

I'm not saying Pauline is more likely because being in Donkey Kong makes her more important. I'm saying that being in Donkey Kong (and Super Mario Odyssey, I suppose) makes her a more recognizable icon, thus drawing in more people. It kinda overshadows the "Well, Dixie was playable and King K. Rool is a villain".

To he fair, Dixie starred in her own game and K. Rool was the main threat in the 4 games he was in.
But whatever, I'm tired and I don't want to lash out at anyone again today.

 

[Opossum]

So, it would have to be Fire/Rock - Grass/Ice - Water/Ground?

Giving all of them 4x weakness to the first typing of the combinations.

Yeah, that'd work since they all have a 4x strength against the other.

 

[Freduardo]

Stage ideas... okay...

Mario and Luigi Stage with Fawful as a stage boss/hazard (I know he’ll never be playable...)

Eternal Darkness Stage with a sanity meter that changes depending on what stage hazards you hit, creating different effects.

Startropics Stage with Zoda as a stage boss/hazard

Link Between Worlds Stage with a 2d flat plane to enter. Zelda characters look Link between worlds style, mario characters look 8 bit style (a la Mario odyssey) every other franchise finds some happy medium that suits them.

New Donk City Stage - because it has to happen.

ARMs Stage: honestly either do the one with the spinning tops or the basketball court.

Some Breath of the Wild themed update to the Bridge of Eldin using a Lynel.

 

[Deleted member]

Stage ideas... okay...

Mario and Luigi Stage with Fawful as a stage boss/hazard (I know he’ll never be playable...)

I like this idea.
Maybe Fawful can have some kind of ship where he shots lasers and can summon the Dark Star's power ( Bowser's Inside Story, great game btw ). I like Fawful, he should either be a stage hazard, an assist trophy or some kind of nice role like in the Subspace. Sad there is not even a Fawful assist trophy.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

To he fair, Dixie starred in her own game and K. Rool was the main threat in the 4 games he was in.

Did you read NOTHING I said?

 

[Bowserlick]

Pokemon Switch rumored to take place in a location based off Italy/Spain.

Possible starters: Genet for Grass, Bull or ibex for fire, Desman (cute playpus-looking creature) for water.

Grass Genet for Smash? hmmm...

 

[PushDustIn]

Actually, from what I understand, they couldn't get moveset changes and still be costumes due to being unable to actually record separate battle data for costumes themselves. So a separation was needed to do that. I don't remember where it was posted, though. PushDustIn Got the article?

Moveset differences were still possible under the same character, but for record keeping purposes the team/Sakurai decided to separate the clones. Here's the source.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

can't we have a good time speculating on this thread without having some kind of drama in every page?

When it's Smash Bros, there's no such thing as civil

Also part of the reason why I don't come here as much anymore plus I was a huge anti-Robin and Bayo back then. Last I want is to go back into that type of person *shudders*

Glad to see that Meowth's fandom had never died since he was the winner. But it was far from one-sided, both Sandslash and Alakazam were pretty close. But Machoke? He simply failed that first Pokemon exam. lol

But here's round two of Generation 1, with at least one familiar veteran that many of you may miss. Your picks are Machamp, Gengar, Blastoise, and Ivysaur.

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Good luck.

Gengar being on this list pleases me due to the uniqueness of having a ghost fighter. Imagine the type of moveset he would have.

I would like to see Buzzwole and other Ultra Beasts as bosses. Maybe a single boss fight were you have to defeat all of them

Now this is a topic I can get behind. Always nice to see more Pokemon bosses like they did with Rayquaza in Smash. Maybe Groundon and Kyogre as well? Would be cool to see an unique Lava/Water type of stage where they can pop up and fight similar to Ridley.

Next starters of pokemon could be Water/Ice - Fire/Ground - Grass/Rock in order to do a double rock-paper-scissors like the Fighting/Dark/Psychic combinations in Generation 6.

Currently 10 of the 18 types are in Smash 4. If those pokemon appear on Switch, Grass/Rock would make 12 out of 18. Only three more double types then would need to be present for all types to be represented.

So at the moment we've experienced...

Electric, Normal, Psychic, Grass, Poison, Water, Fire, Flying, Steel, Fighting, Dark, and Fairy

I supposed I'm biased, but it's one of the reasons why I support Gengar for the Ghost typing and add some Poison type moves that Ivysaur never really used.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

When it's Smash Bros, there's no such thing as civil

Also part of the reason why I don't come here as much anymore plus I was a huge anti-Robin and Bayo back then. Last I want is to go back into that type of person *shudders*

Gengar being on this list pleases me due to the uniqueness of having a ghost fighter. Imagine the type of moveset he would have.

Now this is a topic I can get behind. Always nice to see more Pokemon bosses like they did with Rayquaza in Smash. Maybe Groundon and Kyogre as well? Would be cool to see an unique Lava/Water type of stage where they can pop up and fight similar to Ridley.


So at the moment we've experienced...

Electric, Normal, Psychic, Grass, Poison, Water, Fire, Flying, Steel, Fighting, Dark, and Fairy

I supposed I'm biased, but it's one of the reasons why I support Gengar for the Ghost typing and add some Poison type moves that Ivysaur never really used.

Gengar is super popular among young hipsters. He's definitely MY favorite Pokemon since I was a kid. So yeah, he'd be really cool to see.

I never knew he was so big until I saw him in Pokken Tournament. I always assumed he was about the same size as Pikachu or Jigglypuff. I thought Raichu was a little taller, but he's way fatter and heavier.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Gengar is super popular among young hipsters. He's definitely MY favorite Pokemon since I was a kid. So yeah, he'd be really cool to see.

I never knew he was so big until I saw him in Pokken Tournament. I always assumed he was about the same size as Pikachu or Jigglypuff. I thought Raichu was a little taller, but he's way fatter and heavier.

I'm convinced at this point that Gengar could end up being a floaty/lightweight character which would be one of his cons.

Speaking of Pokemon, it makes me wonder why not add some of the popular ones that could've been playable like Heracross, Grovyle, etc. as Pokeball characters so they can show that they thought of them in some ways regardless of how much popularity they got?

 

[Hubba_Wubba]

A new pokemon newcomer would be awesome, How about a Sun and Moon pokemon? I'd love to see Cosmog (or whatever its name is) join the fight

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Moveset differences were still possible under the same character, but for record keeping purposes the team/Sakurai decided to separate the clones. Here's the source.

I don't think that translation necessarily proves your point. It's fairly ambiguous, so I don't think we should draw strong conclusions from it on this matter.

However, I did find something else very interesting.

If Doctor Mario was the exact same as Mario, it would probably upset fans of the old Doctor Mario, so we included customs that can be used to make him more like he was in the past, if you would like.

If this translation is accurate, then Sakurai is open to using custom moves to enable playing as characters with slightly different movesets.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I want to change my position on something.

I used to consider Captain Toad a bad proposal because it seemed like people wanted to put him in place of Toad because they knew Toad was sufficient enough of a character by himself and they figured Captain Toad appearing in his own game suddenly made Toad important. It came off as an excuse to have Toad, but not give Toad his actual identity.

I think Captain Toad stands in a league completely separate from Toad. I think his game brings a lot of potential and it's a game worthy of being represented. So I consider Captain Toad a character completely separate from Toad and as long as he's treated as such, I think he's a very viable candidate. I'd put him up with some of the most likely.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I want to change my position on something.

I used to consider Captain Toad a bad proposal because it seemed like people wanted to put him in place of Toad because they knew Toad was sufficient enough of a character by himself and they figured Captain Toad appearing in his own game suddenly made Toad important. It came off as an excuse to have Toad, but not give Toad his actual identity.

I think Captain Toad stands in a league completely separate from Toad. I think his game brings a lot of potential and it's a game worthy of being represented. So I consider Captain Toad a character completely separate from Toad and as long as he's treated as such, I think he's a very viable candidate. I'd put him up with some of the most likely.

That's honestly how I see the Toad/Captain Toad argument.

For me, it really boils down to what kind of moveset you want out of him - if you want something based around Mario items and power-ups, then Toad, and if you want something based on Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, then Captain Toad. I personally want Toad because his moveset sounds more interesting (that and I particularly dislike Treasure Tracker), but that's just me.

I'd like to hope that we can all agree that regardless of what happens there needs to be a Toadette alt though...

 

[Krysco]

Too lazy to go back and check for sure (partially from being on mobile) but if I'm not mistaken, there was a discussion about Lucina either being further decloned or her and the other clones being alts in the next game. I recall reading that Lucina likely wouldn't be Luigified because she's meant to be easy Marth.

With that in mind, I've recently become really fond of Dark Pit and hope he comes back and gets more moves that make use of his Dark Pit Staff. One off characters have come back before and Roy even got a little bit decloned from Marth too. It's also relatively easy to have Pit play like Dark Pit through customs. Just give him stronger, less controllable arrows and a horizontal knockback side special. The only other differences we'd miss out on are DP's lower knockback ftilt and the smaller hitbox on his rapid jab finisher. The latter won't be missed and the former would just make tech chasing a bit more difficult but otherwise, Pit could play just like Sm4sh Dark Pit even if DP came back with a slightly more unique moveset.

 

[PixelSun]

If it weren't for Super Mario Odyssey, than you might have a point. Pauline is a draw BECAUSE she is recognizable. I NEVER said popularity is THE deciding factor and I never mentioned the word "recognizable" in the post you're replying to. When I talk about popularity, I'm NOT talking about who's a more requested newcomer in the Smash fan base.

I was saying characters that hardcore fans and casual gamer know and love are more likely as apposed to the character with the more significant role in their series (villains, playable characters, etc). So Pauline DEFINITELY applies to that. If you take a step outside the hardcore Smash fan base, more people know who Pauline is compared to Dixie & King K. Rool, so she would be a bigger draw as a character. Especially after Odyssey.

I mean yes but K. Rool and Dizzie have a higher probability because it is easier to make a complete moveset than Pauline.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I mean yes but K. Rool and Dixie have a higher probability because it is easier to make a complete move set than Pauline.

And what is your evidence for either of those declarative statements?

Maybe it's easier for you to make a move set for the former when you're just a fan with no imagination or experience in game development, specifically experience in developing characters for Super Smash Brothers the past 19 years.

No offense, but what you said is completely ignorant. I don't know where you got the idea that a character is more likely because they require less imagination. Unless you're talking about a clone.

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I'm surprised you liked this post.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

And what is your evidence for either of those declarative statements? Maybe it's easier for you to make a move set for the former when you're just a fan with no imagination or experience in game development, specifically experience in developing characters for Super Smash Brothers the past 19 years.

No offense, but that's completely ignorant. I don't know where you got the idea that a character is more likely because they require LESS imagination. Unless you're talking about a clone.

Verde Coeden Scalesworth
I'm surprised you liked this post.

Because of what was said. They have better moveset potential, which is really important. I find that more important than purely being well known alone. I don't think Pauline is more likely than either of those two, though I do think she has a good chance of being considered.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Because of what was said. They have better moveset potential, which is really important. I find that more important than purely being well known alone. I don't think Pauline is more likely than either of those two, though I do think she has a good chance of being considered.

Well, that's subjective.

I was just surprised because it was presented as such a dismissive and declarative statement supported by nothing.

I think it's naive for mere fans to be the deciding factor of a character's potential, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

I just wouldn't use our own lack of imagination to measure a character's likelihood. Especially when so many characters thought impossible have the most unique move sets in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

 

[Bowserlick]

If not Decidueye, I am predicting the final evolution of a Grass/Ice pokemon starter based on a Common Genet from the 8th generation for Smash Switch.

 

[NintenRob]

I wonder, if Smash 4 newcomers hadn't got in the game when they did, what we'd be saying about them now. I especially think this for Rosalina, Greninja and Bayonetta.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I wonder, if Smash 4 newcomers hadn't got in the game when they did, what we'd be saying about them now. I especially think this for Rosalina, Greninja and Bayonetta.

Greninja would have fairly strong support. Bayonetta would have minority support. Rosalina would have fairly weak support.

 

[Luminario]

Greninja would have fairly strong support. Bayonetta would have minority support. Rosalina would have fairly weak support.

Pretty sure it would be the other way around. Rosalina would have good support since she's been in most Mario spin-offs since her introduction, Bayo would have alright support especially thanks to Bayo 2 and 3 but lacking heavy push thanks to her not being on the same level as the other 3rd parties, and Greninja would have minimal support since it's the water starter from the Gen before the current one.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Pretty sure it would be the other way around. Rosalina would have good support since she's been in most Mario spin-offs since her introduction, Bayo would have alright support especially thanks to Bayo 2 and 3 but lacking heavy push thanks to her not being on the same level as the other 3rd parties, and Greninja would have minimal support since it's the water starter from the Gen before the current one.

If Rosalina hadn't been in Smash 4, I think it's much less likely she would have made as many spin-off appearances. Even if she were, Birdo and Toad are in that boat, and I would call their support fairly weak.

As for Greninja, his design is as cool now as it was when X and Y came out, and I think he would have had the anime appearances regardless of his Smash 4 appearance. However, if he hadn't been in Smash 4, I think he would have had a higher chance of having been in Pokken by now, so he would have less support in that case.

 

[Nonno Umby]

If Rosalina hadn't been in Smash 4, I think it's much less likely she would have made as many spin-off appearances. Even if she were, Birdo and Toad are in that boat, and I would call their support fairly weak.

As for Greninja, his design is as cool now as it was when X and Y came out, and I think he would have had the anime appearances regardless of his Smash 4 appearance. However, if he hadn't been in Smash 4, I think he would have had a higher chance of having been in Pokken by now, so he would have less support in that case.

I would argue that Rosalina would have been in the spin off regardless of Smash, considering she is one of the most popular characters in the Mario series. She was even one of the 6 playable characters in 3D World, and Smash didn't influenced than.

I don't know about Greninja. I mean yeah he is cool and with potential, but so were other Pokemon such as Sceptile, Zoroark ecc, and their support drops heavily as time passes. I still think that The Pokemon Company wanted to promote the character a lot after he was decided for Smash, so they might have pushed for having him heavily involved in the anime. That is just a theory tho.

 

[Staarih]

I wonder, if Smash 4 newcomers hadn't got in the game when they did, what we'd be saying about them now. I especially think this for Rosalina, Greninja and Bayonetta.

Rosalina would probably have a fair amount of support, having multiple spin-off appearances and major playable role in SM3DW. Bayo3 would probably make Bayonetta seem more likely but no one would still believe it to actually happen. Greninja would be old news, Gen 7 having happened and speculation already aiming towards a potential Gen 8 at this point.

Would also be fun to see where the likes of Bowser Jr and FE (Corrin) would stand now if they had not appeared in Smash 4.

 

[Luminario]

If Rosalina hadn't been in Smash 4, I think it's much less likely she would have made as many spin-off appearances. Even if she were, Birdo and Toad are in that boat, and I would call their support fairly weak.

As for Greninja, his design is as cool now as it was when X and Y came out, and I think he would have had the anime appearances regardless of his Smash 4 appearance. However, if he hadn't been in Smash 4, I think he would have had a higher chance of having been in Pokken by now, so he would have less support in that case.

While Smash 4 probably helped, I think adding her into Mario Kart Wii, 7, 8, and Super Mario 3D World were all decisions made independently of her Smash appearance, so she would have likely been a mainstay in Mario spin-offs regardless.

Greninja, while eternally cool, is now pretty old news with his last notable role being the free Ash Greninja form from the Sun Moon demo. As with all non-Gen 1 starters, support for them fades as soon as a new Gen is even announced. In fact we have no idea how differently Greninja would have been handled if it didn't get into Smash 4, as I'm guessing his appearance as a fighter was a major part in Greninja being the sole pushed Gen 6 Pokemon above even other notable Pokemon like the leader of the new Fairy type Sylveon for example.

Would also be fun to see where the likes of Bowser Jr and FE (Corrin) would stand now if they had not appeared in Smash 4.

Jr's just too hard to predict if he didn't get into Smash. He might not have gotten his Ultra Smash or his MK 8 Deluxe appearance if it weren't for Smash, and with other characters like Cpt Toad and Pauline giving him competition he might have missed his mark.

Corrin probably would have had some support thanks to being the last lord that wasn't a remade game, but with FE Switch on the horizon and Celica/Alm technically being the most recent main characters (with both of them also being more popular than Corrin if the 2nd Heroes Poll is anything to go by) Corrin would have had a much harder time staying relevant.

 

[NintenRob]

For this hypothetical, I reckon we just assume that Smash had little influence other than amiibo stuff. So Ash Greninja still happens, Countless Rosalina appearances still happen, Bayonetta 3 still happens. Maybe Bowser Jr wouldn't have the clown car in Ultra Smash though.

For the sake of it, I'm just gonna go through each newcomer.


Villager: I think support for an animal crossing character might die down. It would still be there, but I think people would lean towards Tom Nook or Isabelle

Mega Man: With Mega Man 11 around the corner, I think it would still be very heavily requested

Wii Fit Trainer: she would be on no ones radar, just like she was before her reveal

Rosalina: Hard to say, She is very popular and had a lot of appearances, but her only role in Odyssey was a tiny cameo. Right before her reveal was the height of her hype because of 3D World. So I think it would have died down, but I think she still could have gotten into the next game

Little Mac: I don't think much would have changed, he'd still be fairly heavily requested. It would curious to know if he'd still be an assist trophy

Greninja was on his way to become one of the most popular Pokemon well before Smash. He had his cool design, great in battle and a lot of promotion. He was on his way to get a notable role in the anime. And later he even got an exclusive form. He got a lot of promotion. But Smash has never added a Pokemon that wasn't from the first generation or the most recent generation at the time

Palutena is a weird one, but I think the hype wouldn't be there anymore, at least not as much, Outside of Smash, Uprising hasn't gotten anything since its released.

Mii don't know don't care

Pac-Man. Would depend if Namco was working on the next game but I think this Smash would have started a train that wouldn't be stopped. How much talk of Pac-Man in brawl days?

Robin would probably just be old news, same with Lucina. I do think if he hadn't gotten into Smash, his presence else where would be different, who knows if he'd even be in Fire Emblem Warriors. Lucina would likely still be quite popular though

Shulk is interesting, I think Xenoblade would still likely get a character and I think Shulk would be top pick, but you'd have to wonder if Rex would get in instead of Shulk come next Smash.

Bowser Jr would be the same as pre Smash 4

Duck Hunt. I have no idea

Ryu was barely on people's radar, but he is very iconic

Cloud would be the same as before his reveal

Corrin would likely be old news by the time next Smash comes, but they'd still likely appear elsewhere

Bayonetta is in a weird position even in hypothetical. Nintendo treating her like their own IP would bring a lot if hype, she already had a following thanks to Bayonetta 2, I think Bayonetta 3 would just enforce that.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think timing helped many of the Smash 4 characters. If didn't get added this time around, I doubt they'd get in Smash 5.


Pokemon and FE are constantly rotating the cast, so each new game is a heavy blow to the chances of pre-existing characters. make sense as Smash 4 newcomers, but no so much for Smash 5 when Pokemon Switch and FE are already said to be in development.

might have had a chance for Smash 5 if Nintendo cashed in on the KI franchise and made another installment in the franchise. As KI stands now, I think too much time would have passed since Uprising for it to warrant newcomers (But then again, Sakurai DID develop the game, so...).

seems like he would be a Ninten/Ness case for Smash 5. Despite being the original, I can see Shulk being skipped over in favor of Rex/Pyra because their game is more widely known than the GameStop exclusive Xenoblade Chronicles.


The other characters I didn't list all seem like they'd still have a decent chance of returning to Smash 5.

 

[Lukingordex]

I'm not sure if she would appear in smash 5 if she wasn't in 4. It's important to notice that her appearance in smash 4 was actually the first signal we got that nintendo was actually pushing her series that much, and probably it's what made her future games to be nintendo exclusives in the first place.
Would still have the same chance he had before joining considering he's a popular mario character.
As the face of FF and remembered as a important playstation figure, his chances would remain the same as it was before smash 4; could get in simply because of how iconic he is
Definitely wouldn't come to smash 5 if he wasn't in smash 4. He only got in to promote the upcoming fe game, same situation as
Considering he's an easy clone to make, he'd always have some kind of chance, as long as the team has a bit of development time left
Would always have a chance due to being a retro character with story with nintendo
Would have the same chance as characters like sceptile if he wasn't in smash 4. He'd still probably be the most popular gen 6 starter which would help him a lot, but recency would be a disadvantage for him.
Same as Duck Hunt
Same as Dark Pit
Would definitely still be heavily requested and the most likely 3rd party for Smash 5
Would still have a chance considering they're the avatars of nintendo consoles and have well selling games thenselves.
Similar to Megaman, just a bit less likely
Recency would propably hurt her chances, but she still would have a small chance to be playable. High chances of being at least an assist trophy though
Recency played a big factor for Robin in Smash 4. He'd be pretty unlikely if he wasn't in the roster already because of more recent FE characters
Same as Bowser Jr.
Would always have a chance due to being very iconic
Recency would probably hurt him a lot. Would likely be replaced by Rex
As the main character of one of Nintendo's most important franchises he'd always have a very high chance of joining. I don't think Isabelle would steal his spot. We may had her in MK8 but at the same time we had 2 villagers there as well
Her games sold extremely well. Even though recency could hurt her chances a bit, she'd still always have a good chance of joining

 

[Deleted member]

Did you read NOTHING I said?

I'm afraid I haven't read much of it for reasons I've explained in the post you quoted, and I don't really feel like discussing this topic further.

A new pokemon newcomer would be awesome, How about a Sun and Moon pokemon? I'd love to see Cosmog (or whatever its name is) join the fight

I'm curious, why Cosmog? It only learns two moves that literally do nothing.

 

[T-Hell]

Hi everyone, nice to see you all again (and probably lots of new additions), been a long time since I post here (about 3 years).
I just saw the news about this Emily Rogers woman saying Smash Bros for Switch would be announced very soon just when I started losing hope, let's just hope it ends up happening. The article said that it would be a revision of WiiU/3DS and it would include new characters and stages, and that would explain why they are taking so long to release the port as we all know how long it takes to create a single character.
Therefore I'm gonna leave real quick my predictions on the matter: I think Ice Climbers will come back, along with newcomers from the Splatoon series and probably King K.Rool as well, don't wanna say too much as we could be getting only like 3 new characters or so.
See ya!

 

[Deleted member]

Here are my thoughts on newcomer odds:
: Very likely, since Bayonetta's third game is still Nintendo exclusive, and her two are being ported in the Nintendo Switch.
: Guaranteed at this point.
: I can see this one somewhat likely, because Square Enix has put games on the Nintendo Switch before. Plus they seem fine with Cloud in Smash 4.
: I know people bring the argument that she was used to bring up an upcoming game, but I say that she is still likely due to being quite a popular FE character.
: Easy to make, so I can see him being likely.
: Just too related to Nintendo and too iconic.
: With it's popularity increasing even more, I am sure this will be in Smash for Switch.
: Same with Duck Hunt's case.
: Easy to make like Dark Pit and is popular with the Fire Emblem series, so she is highly likely.
: Seems likely to return, considering Capcom has games that include Mega Man planned for the Switch.
: As much as people dislike these, they are coming back either way. Miis are in the Nintendo Switch and they will always be among Nintendo, so they are very likely.
: Likely to return, just because of how iconic he is. If Bandai Namco is developing the game again, Pac-Man is even more likely. Bandai Namco could be developing the game, because they are developing Metroid Prime 4.
: Highly probable, especially if Sakurai is developing the next game. She is the second most important Kid Icarus character.
: Honestly, hard to say. Smash 4 saved Robin's chance, so he/she will make a return I am sure.
: Also guaranteed. Popular, you get the point.
: All depends on Capcom, but Ryu is likely to make a return.
: You know, Shulk actually has a chance of returning. People say that he is going to be replaced by Rex / Pyra, but I say that he will hopefully he will still be in Smash for Switch. He may be done with being in games, but Shulk will always remain the starter the Xenoblade Chronicles series. Plus ROB got in and it has no games of itself anymore.
: Pfft, easily returning.
: Her games did very well with profit, and she is still popular. Despite being a "Wii" type of character, I say she has a good chance.

 

[Opossum]

Here are my thoughts on newcomer odds:
: Very likely, since Bayonetta's third game is still Nintendo exclusive, and her two are being ported in the Nintendo Switch.
: Guaranteed at this point.
: I can see this one somewhat likely, because Square Enix has put games on the Nintendo Switch before. Plus they seem fine with Cloud in Smash 4.
: I know people bring the argument that she was used to bring up an upcoming game, but I say that she is still likely due to being quite a popular FE character.
: Easy to make, so I can see him being likely.
: Just too related to Nintendo and too iconic.
: With it's popularity increasing even more, I am sure this will be in Smash for Switch.
: Same with Duck Hunt's case.
: Easy to make like Dark Pit and is popular with the Fire Emblem series, so she is highly likely.
: Seems likely to return, considering Capcom has games that include Mega Man planned for the Switch.
: As much as people dislike these, they are coming back either way. Miis are in the Nintendo Switch and they will always be among Nintendo, so they are very likely.
: Likely to return, just because of how iconic he is. If Bandai Namco is developing the game again, Pac-Man is even more likely. Bandai Namco could be developing the game, because they are developing Metroid Prime 4.
: Highly probable, especially if Sakurai is developing the next game. She is the second most important Kid Icarus character.
: Honestly, hard to say. Smash 4 saved Robin's chance, so he/she will make a return I am sure.
: Also guaranteed. Popular, you get the point.
: All depends on Capcom, but Ryu is likely to make a return.
: You know, Shulk actually has a chance of returning. People say that he is going to be replaced by Rex / Pyra, but I say that he will hopefully he will still be in Smash for Switch. He may be done with being in games, but Shulk will always remain the starter the Xenoblade Chronicles series. Plus ROB got in and it has no games of itself anymore.
: Pfft, easily returning.
: Her games did very well with profit, and she is still popular. Despite being a "Wii" type of character, I say she has a good chance.

You know the discussion wasn't about their odds of returning, right? It was a hypothetical thing about what their odds would be if they weren't added in Smash 4.

 

[Lukingordex]

@ShinyLegendary i believe you misunderstood what we're doing. We're discussing what the chances of smash 4 newcomers would be to be added on smash 5 if they weren't in smash 4

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[Cosmic77]

Here are my thoughts on newcomer odds:
: Very likely, since Bayonetta's third game is still Nintendo exclusive, and her two are being ported in the Nintendo Switch.
: Guaranteed at this point.
: I can see this one somewhat likely, because Square Enix has put games on the Nintendo Switch before. Plus they seem fine with Cloud in Smash 4.
: I know people bring the argument that she was used to bring up an upcoming game, but I say that she is still likely due to being quite a popular FE character.
: Easy to make, so I can see him being likely.
: Just too related to Nintendo and too iconic.
: With it's popularity increasing even more, I am sure this will be in Smash for Switch.
: Same with Duck Hunt's case.
: Easy to make like Dark Pit and is popular with the Fire Emblem series, so she is highly likely.
: Seems likely to return, considering Capcom has games that include Mega Man planned for the Switch.
: As much as people dislike these, they are coming back either way. Miis are in the Nintendo Switch and they will always be among Nintendo, so they are very likely.
: Likely to return, just because of how iconic he is. If Bandai Namco is developing the game again, Pac-Man is even more likely. Bandai Namco could be developing the game, because they are developing Metroid Prime 4.
: Highly probable, especially if Sakurai is developing the next game. She is the second most important Kid Icarus character.
: Honestly, hard to say. Smash 4 saved Robin's chance, so he/she will make a return I am sure.
: Also guaranteed. Popular, you get the point.
: All depends on Capcom, but Ryu is likely to make a return.
: You know, Shulk actually has a chance of returning. People say that he is going to be replaced by Rex / Pyra, but I say that he will hopefully he will still be in Smash for Switch. He may be done with being in games, but Shulk will always remain the starter the Xenoblade Chronicles series. Plus ROB got in and it has no games of itself anymore.
: Pfft, easily returning.
: Her games did very well with profit, and she is still popular. Despite being a "Wii" type of character, I say she has a good chance.

You think every newcomer is likely to return? Even Dark Pit and WFT?


That's rare.