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Uh, Simon as the most likely? You sure about that? Don't get me wrong I would love it but where in the past while had Simon been at all relevant?
Have you ever heard of Castlevania for the NES? One of the most popular games on the console? I mean if we're talking about characters and games with a signifcant history on Nintendo consoles. Simon and Castlevania.
But Simon hasn't really made any major appearances since 2013. The original NES game is a beloved classic, yes, but it's over 30 years old at this point.
Oh. Okay. See you later every video game character from 30 years ago. We remember you all fondly, but you're old so nobody cares about you guys unless you appear in something recently.
I feel like Indies have been really appreciated on Nintendo consoles.
You totally side stepped my question. I didn't ask if he was from a big game, or if he was a big character, or even if he had significant history with Nintendo. I asked where he had been relevant recently. I love Simon, to death. He's one of my most wanted characters but I feel like your mixing up your likelihood opinion with your most wanted characters.
You're avoiding his point as well. Relevance does come into play for Smash. And you said specifically that you felt like he was the MOST LIKELY newcomer. Over Bomberman who was just recently on Switch, over Rayman who had a resurgence recently, over Shovel Knight, and you didn't even place Snake on the list. I don't think we're reaching by questioning that logic.
I don't even like Simon Belmont. I've never played a Castlevania game in my life. So really weird of you to assume that Simon Belmont is one of my "most wanted characters".
See this is what I'm talking about. You're ignoring the history of characters and just going with whomever recently appeared on a Nintendo console.
And?
Snake is a veteran. I'm talking about newcomers.
Mega Man got in due to his popularity on the Brawl poll, not popularity gauged some thirty odd years ago.
It is true that Mega Man got in due to his popularity and fan demand, even though he had a few games that were recent at the time of Smash 4's development. While I'm not going to discount Simon's chances entirely just because he hasn't appeared in a game since before Smash 4's release (and for that matter, we haven't gotten a proper Castlevania game since then either, and the animated Netflix series starring Simon's ancestor Trevor is pretty much the only thing keeping the franchise relevant for now), I'm not convinced that Simon is as popular or requested as Mega Man was. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
He has to deal with the competition of whomever Sakurai says he does.
You're not wrong.
For anyone not named Snake, I don't see Konami meddling with any potential inclusion. I mean even they know that getting a Konami character in Smash is going to generate positive press if the character is semi-iconic and that definitely applies to Simon and Bomberman. So if Nintendo decides to get one of the two then yeah, we'll get it.
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Something to note is that Castlevania is not dead as a franchise. It's has a successful Netflix show with four episodes with eight more to follow this summer. That shows that Konami has some investment in Castlevania as a franchise, enough to allow for a critically praised animated show and it is a rarity for a video game adaptation to have a good story, let alone a franchise not known for it. This is speculation but I think especially with Bomberman getting a successful installment, they might give Castlevania another game.I'll concede to that. In fact, I see Bomberman as the most likely new third-party for the next Smash game because he has the least amount of barriers of all third-party additions and - which makes you last reason especially important - Nintendo has investment in the franchise's future. With Nintendo's increasing third-party support, what better character choice could they go after that reflects on their improved third-party relationships?
Firstly, I only made that assumption because of the way you waved off mine and Xeno's questions without even acknowledging what we said.
You just accused me of projecting and assuming yet you just did the same to me here. I just asked you where he was relevant. And no, as an avid supporter of Takamaru and K. Rool, I don't think relevance is the end all requirement. Not at all. I do think that there are circumstances, especially in third parties, where a more recent character would be more popular and thus more profitable.
Relevancy plays a part man. That's all I'm saying.
You got me there.
I didn't say that. I agree that history is important, it's the one reason why I was excited for Ryu. However, a character WITH history AND relevance would be FAR more likely, wouldn't you agree? That's why I pointed out Bomberman being relevant recently.
If you're actually angry at me for stating my view point then I apologize. Consider not taking my responses so seriously though. Speculation is all in good fun.
That wasn't my argument to begin with. I was going to make the point that one character with relevancy and history is more likely than one with just either of those and not both.
Well. I'll say this. Circa Melee, he was more requested than Sonic or Mega Man. Circa Brawl, he was, ostensibly the third-most popular third-party request. If you can find Brawl-era Smash discussions, you can see for yourself. I remember it being the case. There were plenty of fake leaks that featured him as well. Then his series went dark and he lost a lot of clout. Now, with Super Bomberman R, he's back, though less in demand. However, despite that, he's still more popular than Simon. All that said, should he get in, I'd imagine it'd be as much for his Nintendo ties, both recent and historic, as his popularity, which has indeed dipped.
I agree. I'm not saying that a Belmont is impossible. Just that in terms of the greater picture Bomberman, and a few others, would be more likely due to their relevancy. I was only responding to the order of Jinjo's list of likelihood.For anyone not named Snake, I don't see Konami meddling with any potential inclusion. I mean even they know that getting a Konami character in Smash is going to generate positive press if the character is semi-iconic and that definitely applies to Simon and Bomberman. So if Nintendo decides to get one of the two then yeah, we'll get it.
A Belmont has a shot, it just might be Trevor instead of Simon.
How very close minded of you
I don't think so. I think maybe others would prefer Snake because he was in a previous game, and kids don't like having their toys taken away. However, Bomberman is a super dull character moveset-wise. Maybe more people would request Bomberman than Simon, but Simon would sure as Hell be more interesting (and therefore preferred after getting to play them).
How is any of what he said close minded?
"It seems like there's no big point in discussing many potential Nintendo newcomers anymore. Inklings is a given almost, then ARMS whichever character as a possibility, a token Retro, something new from FE and Pokemon, Rex from Xenoblade, and maybe a new Mario character. That's about all I could consider likely now."
He's says that's all he thinks is likely as of this moment.
He literally says he thinks there seems to be no point to discussing first party newcomers.
Can you return to your educated self please? I do not like this "thread-clown" side of yours, it annoys me.
Exactly what Swamp said. He is not making it a definite and his own opinion that all should follow, he is thinking what his roster would be at the moment as Swamp said.
They do, but I am going to talk about Bomberman since I have no idea who Simon is or very little at least. Bomberman does have a lot of potential for his move-set and is quite a vocal character, so he does have a lot of fan-support for Sakurai to recognize. I see Bomberman likely due to another reason: his involvement with Nintendo consoles like the Switch.
Oh do tell, who does Sakurai say he has to compete with?
You say that, despite randomly adding images to your posts just to make them funny.
Hehe, this right here says alot. I (too) have next to no knowledge of Simon Belmont and while I don’t want to generalize, I think the majority feels this way too and would likely recognize Bomberman over Simon just because of how Bomberman (the game) has been, like, everywhere. Or at least some version of it - the idea, principal and basis is pretty much known to all. Sure, Simon has his merits and I’d probably love to play as him if he got in Smash like with every character (and also get to know about Castlevania more), but taken all things into account (like recency) and talking about likelihood in particular, I feel Bomberman has a better shot as of now. I could be totally wrong of course and the way characters are picked isn’t as black&white - honestly I’m fine with both (but Snake back first pls).
So basically we should stop speculating is what you're saying?
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Weird, i'm sure there's a better "furry" candidate to join the roster right now, but for some reason i can't remember who he was.
Of course we don't know. How can we know exactly? Hell, how can we know anything?
Of course there's a better furry newcomer than Lilac. I'd take many, many characters before Lilac.Weird, i'm sure there's a better "furry" candidate to join the roster right now, but for some reason i can't remember who he was.
I'm referring to newcomers. Wolf would be a returning vet so he doesn't count
inb 4 Krystal
How close minded of you that you couldn't see what I was saying.
