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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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KMDP

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It's a reference to this:

"This video is unavailable in your country"
Well fine, I didn't want to watch it anyway. *huff*
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So... I went a bit crazy in Roster Maker...

BEHOLD! MY MASTERPIECE!
129-man Roster.png
129 Characters.

Super Smash Bros. Infinite
 

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"This video is unavailable in your country"
Well fine, I didn't want to watch it anyway. *huff*
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So... I went a bit crazy in Roster Maker...

BEHOLD! MY MASTERPIECE!
129 Characters.

Super Smash Bros. Infinite
I notice Boshi isn't in there. It's not something I normally take issue with, but you've put him in rosters before to the point that someone thought you were an alt account of mine... :yoshi:
 

KMDP

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no chorus kids or karate joe, tsk tsk
No Kamek? 0/10 actually worthless
Sorry, had to make room for ALL THOSE ZELDA CHARACTERS!
I notice Boshi isn't in there. It's not something I normally take issue with, but you've put him in rosters before to the point that someone thought you were an alt account of mine... :yoshi:
I put Boshi in only two rosters, one of which was not even really a roster, but more something to show how ridiculous the level of clones could get (back when I didn't much like the idea of Echoes).
 
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Cool, I wonder that version.

If it's one with K. Rool or Simon, make sure to keep an eye on the Pokeballs and Assist trophies.
I live in the UK and have friends working at Insomnia.

It's identical to the E3 build, as is every other event demo.
 

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I live in the UK and have friends working at Insomnia.

It's identical to the E3 build, as is every other event demo.
Well, there's still a chance that there's Pokemon or Assists that we never got footage of.

I think someone mentioned seeing Dedenne but we havn't gotten pictures
 

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"The fire is within him, but also within you, so do not hesitate to fight. The seventh tiger is dangerous, ruthless and mean. Those who live in the 4 islands know him well".

A little riddle game regarding a potential character I just figured out for fun lmao.
 
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"The fire is within him, but also within you, so do not hesitate to fight. The seventh tiger is dangerous, ruthless and mean. Those who live in the 4 islands know him well".

A little riddle game regarding a potential character I just figured out for fun lmao.
Whoever wrote that isn't very good at subtlety.
 

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"The fire is within him, but also within you, so do not hesitate to fight. The seventh tiger is dangerous, ruthless and mean. Those who live in the 4 islands know him well".

A little riddle game regarding a potential character I just figured out for fun lmao.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think the character is Decidueye for certain
 
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So, what if the Spirits mode is disappointing, and Nintendo knows it? Like, it’s not a full fledged adventure mode? If that’s the case, then I expect them to sandwich the info between a couple huge character reveals in a direct, so there’s less disappointment.
 
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"This video is unavailable in your country"
Well fine, I didn't want to watch it anyway. *huff*
---
So... I went a bit crazy in Roster Maker...

BEHOLD! MY MASTERPIECE!
129 Characters.

Super Smash Bros. Infinite
129 characters? Yikes, let's dial that back a little bit and clean up the garbage.

SSBC.png

80 Characters.

Super Smash Brothers Crusaaaaaaaaaaade
 

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So, what if the Spirits mode is disappointing, and Nintendo knows it? Like, it’s not a full fledged adventure mode? If that’s the case, then I expect them to sandwich the info between a couple huge character reveals in a direct, so there’s less disappointment.
My take on Spirits Mode is going to be some boss rush / event mode akin to Melee. Example... Play as Simon and defeat Dracula to unlock Richter. Etc. Sakurai said unlocking characters is to be streamlined in this game so I'm assuming Spirits is where it's done
 
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My take on Spirits Mode is going to be some boss rush / event mode akin to Melee. Example... Play as Simon and defeat Dracula to unlock Richter. Etc. Sakurai said unlocking characters is to be streamlined in this game so I'm assuming Spirits is where it's done
Didnt he also say that we're starting off with just the original 12, too? So how would we unlock Simon to unlock Richter in the first place?
 

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129 characters? Yikes, let's dial that back a little bit and clean up the garbage.

View attachment 159693
80 Characters.

Super Smash Brothers Crusaaaaaaaaaaade
Marx instead of Bandana Dee?
Deconfirmed Tingle instead of Skull Kid?
Zoroark instead of a Gen 7 Pokemon?
Geno instead of pretty much anyone?
Ayumi?
Porky?
Those third parties.

This is among the worst 80 character rosters I've seen
 
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Well, there's still a chance that there's Pokemon or Assists that we never got footage of.

I think someone mentioned seeing Dedenne but we havn't gotten pictures
Someone needs to upload video of that Chunky Kong assist.

Marx instead of Bandana Dee?
Deconfirmed Tingle instead of Skull Kid?
Zoroark instead of a Gen 7 Pokemon?
Geno instead of pretty much anyone?
Ayumi?
Porky?
Those third parties.

This is among the worst 80 character rosters I've seen
Mission Accomplished!
I actually really struggled to add any more than 75 characters. Gen 7 sux, and Tingle's better than Skull Kid fite me.
 
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"This video is unavailable in your country"
Well fine, I didn't want to watch it anyway. *huff*
---
So... I went a bit crazy in Roster Maker...

BEHOLD! MY MASTERPIECE!
129 Characters.

Super Smash Bros. Infinite
Please people stop making such badly designed rosters, this is such a mess I can't care about any of the character
129 characters? Yikes, let's dial that back a little bit and clean up the garbage.

View attachment 159693
80 Characters.

Super Smash Brothers Crusaaaaaaaaaaade
Organized. Zoroark. Wonder-Red. But why cut the Echoes?
 
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"Clean up the garbage"

"Geno is playable"

You can choose one.
You're right. Fixed :4pacman:

SSBC_alt.png


Please people stop making such badly designed rosters, this is such a mess I can't care about any of the character

Organized. Zoroark. Wonder-Red. But why cut the Echoes?
The echoes are merged with their original characters because that's what I'm going to do when the game comes out, and keeping them in makes organization near impossible without wasting my time in GIMP or something.
 

KMDP

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129 characters? Yikes, let's dial that back a little bit and clean up the garbage.

View attachment 159693
80 Characters.

Super Smash Brothers Crusaaaaaaaaaaade
Oh, Tougon, you naive fool. It can get way worse that 129 characters.
Please people stop making such badly designed rosters, this is such a mess I can't care about any of the character
Oh ho... oh ho ho... oh ho ho ho.
153-Man Roster.png
Boom. 153 Characters. Maxxing out the Roster Maker grid.

SUPER SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
 

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So, what if the Spirits mode is disappointing, and Nintendo knows it? Like, it’s not a full fledged adventure mode? If that’s the case, then I expect them to sandwich the info between a couple huge character reveals in a direct, so there’s less disappointment.
It’ll only be a disappointment for those who have high expectations. It’s a bit silly to assume those who actually made the mode would ”know” it being disappointing to fans. They’ll present it proudly as is, and we’ll just have to take it whatever it is. I’m personally not even expecting a full fledged adventure mode - frankly I don’t really even think about the mode at all lol.
 
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Oh, Tougon, you naive fool. It can get way worse that 129 characters.

Oh ho... oh ho ho... oh ho ho ho.
Boom. 153 Characters. Maxxing out the Roster Maker grid.

SUPER SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
Still no Porky, Ayumi, Tingle, and Zoroark, and you used the **** Isaac design.

This roster blows.
 
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Oh, Tougon, you naive fool. It can get way worse that 129 characters.

Oh ho... oh ho ho... oh ho ho ho.
Boom. 153 Characters. Maxxing out the Roster Maker grid.

SUPER SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
You realize this is still a mess right? If you're gonna organize by series, do it horizontally like Smash 4, Brawl's vertical organization only works on a small roster. The fact that series are bleeding into other columns is what shows this isn't working and it's also way harder to read.
 

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So, what if the Spirits mode is disappointing, and Nintendo knows it? Like, it’s not a full fledged adventure mode? If that’s the case, then I expect them to sandwich the info between a couple huge character reveals in a direct, so there’s less disappointment.
I don't think they would have made it a major focal point and major focus of the direct if they wanted us to just forget it, they kind of set it up to be the the main topic of the next direct since they've mostly covered everything else.
 
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Hypothetical Sakurai: *dies a little inside*
Never ask me for anything ever again sakurai.png


When making that roster, I realized that the only reason I want more than 72 characters (not counting echoes) is so that we can have exactly 80 and Super Smash Bros. Crusade can be a real game.
 

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Ayumi? "among the worst"?



Oh, Tougon, you naive fool. It can get way worse that 129 characters.

Oh ho... oh ho ho... oh ho ho ho.
Boom. 153 Characters. Maxxing out the Roster Maker grid.

SUPER SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
Got a better Tails render for ya (the roster maker).

 
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I decided to see what I'd come up with if I completely filled in the roster maker.



I'd say it turned out okay.
 
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Ayumi? "among the worst"?
I was already trying their patience by putting in the best Zelda character Tingle, a good non-gen 7 Pokemon, and putting in an interesting Kirby character that isn't Waddle Dee.

I decided to see what I'd come up with if I completely filled in the roster maker.



I'd say it turned out okay.
>Has Doomguy, Porky, Zoroark, and Marx

Yeah, I'd say it turned out oka- *notices not-Beard Isaac*

But why...
 
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Haha that was the only Isaac icon that I had.
There's not a lot of good art of Beard Isaac. I didn't like the icon I had, and most Isaac fanart is of his original design, unsurprisingly.
 
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I decided to see what I'd come up with if I completely filled in the roster maker.



I'd say it turned out okay.
>Alexandra Roivas and Viewtiful Joe
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

tfw no Neku tho
 
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Looks like there was an Incineroar vs Lycanroc debate last night. Guess I'll throw in my two cents several hours late.

So just to get this out of the way, I have a clear preference for Lycanroc. I love its design, and out of all of the popular Gen 7 Pokemon we speculate on, I feel like it has the most potential to be a unique fighter. It's been heavily promoted over the past two years, and seeing it get in Smash as the next Pokemon rep wouldn't surprise me. I truly think it would be a logical addition.

However, that's not to say I don't think Incineroar would be a logical addition. I've been using the anime to predict which Pokemon we would get, and while I ended up settling with Lycanroc, I can't deny how much of a push the Litten line has been getting compared to the other starters and the rest of the recurring Pokemon. Based on the concept art and the first few episodes of the anime, it's clear that the writers had plans to give some deep (and admittedly rather emotional) character development to Litten. Flash forward to today, and we're looking at a future where Incineroar could very well be the next "Greninja" during the Alola League. Truly, Incineroar would make a lot of sense to me, moreso than Decidueye or Mimikyu if I'm being brutally honest.

But at the end of the day, it all boils down to opinions. Both Lycanroc and Incineroar have gotten some deep development in the anime. Both have been pushed enough to where seeing them in Smash wouldn't come as a suprise. The pros and cons even out, and it's very difficult to make an unbiased case that one is superior to the other. The only thing you can really do is go with your gut instinct and make an educated guess.

I go with Lycanroc because I think Incineroar, regardless of his wrestler shtick, wouldn't be as unique as the former. His bipedal brawler design seems like it would copy a lot of the boring and generic punches and kicks that we see all the time, and I don't think Sakurai would go for that when the rest of his options are so much more interesting and out of place. However, perhaps Incineroar's generic and obvious moveset is the exact reason why Sakurai would spring for him. He'd be a lot easier to create than Lycanroc, and the push from Game Freak would give Sakurai another reason to feel comfortable with his choice.

Again, it's hard to argue one is more likely than the other. I think it's a close race, and neither would suprise me.
 
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I decided to see what I'd come up with if I completely filled in the roster maker.



I'd say it turned out okay.
How do you all get that roster maker? Mine is Roster maker 11.0, and it is heavily outdated.
Can I have a source to how you make that roster please?
 
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I think it's hard to guess what pokemon is in based on how much merch and marketing they get, if the roster was finalized in 2015.
TPC did a lot of marketting with several pokemon early on (Silvally, Lycanroc, the UBs, the starters of course), and it'd feel odd ramping up marketting when the new generation is so close (which will get a lot of the focus of merch and stuff).
 

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Pokémon is the only expected franchise with no clear candidate. I would say stop guessing and just hope thatyour speculated pokemon appears in a future direct.
 
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Pokémon is the only expected franchise with no clear candidate. I would say stop guessing and just hope thatyour speculated pokemon appears in a future direct.
I can't even do that, sense the Pokemon character is likely going to be from Gen 7.
 
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