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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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I know Bandana Dee is the natural next Kirby rep, but wouldn't Dark Matter (in his Swordsman form and transforming for some attacks) be awesome? He has a lot of potential outside of simply having a sword and would look awesome. If we got a Kirby villain it would most likely be him over Marx because really Marx's role was minor compared to Dark Matter being the overarching threat of basically the whole series. Bandana would still be cool but Dark Matter is my dream.
 

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Mfw 2 years ago no one would guess shes coming despite ppl liking her
Fast forward to now with echoes and a truly not that large number of possible echoes and suddenly shes one of the most likely characters to get in
this is the most blessed timeline



 
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I wonder what the "Weird" Choice will be like Wii Fit or ROB. I liked rob but it was rather odd. I'd like to see the reckless safety man from wii but the wii is old news now. Laboman, or the eshop bag man, or the AR Box from 3ds, or the face raiders final boss. go crazy.
I don’t know. Given this game’s focus on fan requests, and the limited number of unique newcomers this time, I don’t think we’ll be seeing a “weird for the sake of being weird” character this time around.

In fact, I don’t even think R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer were included because of how weird they’d be. They’re both important parts of Nintendo’s history, and that’s why they were included. They just happen to be really weird in a fighting game.
 

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Hate to distract from the current debate, but I'm a bit bored and just thought I'd get people's opinions....or in more common board terms...Play a Game.
I just want to see what people would choose given the following restrictions: 4 first-party Newcomers, 1 third-party newcomer that HASN'T been highly requested yet (Geno, Shadow, Bajo-Kazooie), 2 Echoes for already confirmed characters.
First party:
- Bandana Dee
- Rex and Pyra
- Tapu Koko
- Paper Mario

3rd Party:
- Nightmare from SC
- if that's too popular... The Knight from Hollow Knight I guess

Echo:
- Impa (Sheik)
- Dixie (Diddy)
 

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I don’t know. Given this game’s focus on fan requests, and the limited number of unique newcomers this time, I don’t think we’ll be seeing a “weird for the sake of being weird” character this time around.

In fact, I don’t even think R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer were included because of how weird they’d be. They’re both important parts of Nintendo’s history, and that’s why they were included. They just happen to be really weird in a fighting game.
I never really pictured ROB as weird, but I was around 13 at the time of Brawls release and played MKDS religiously.
 

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I don’t know. Given this game’s focus on fan requests, and the limited number of unique newcomers this time, I don’t think we’ll be seeing a “weird for the sake of being weird” character this time around.

In fact, I don’t even think R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer were included because of how weird they’d be. They’re both important parts of Nintendo’s history, and that’s why they were included. They just happen to be really weird in a fighting game.
Peoplpe are just expecting those types of characters because of past trends, despite this game already going against a lot of them.
 
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I never really pictured ROB as weird, but I was around 13 at the time of Brawls release and played MKDS religiously.
I thought R.O.B. was a Mario character, so I wondered why R.O.B. didn't have the mushroom icon when I first played Brawl.
 

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You're using a 5-year old article to disprove the Dante leak.
No, I brought up that the Bayo dev also deconfirmed his char (to counter the validity of the producer's tweet), but then saw he didn't really deconfirm her, he just asked people to stop buggering him about it.

I'm using a tweet from a DMC producer to disprove the Dante Leak.

Though tbf he doesn't disprove it I was just being dramatic.
 
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Hate to distract from the current debate, but I'm a bit bored and just thought I'd get people's opinions....or in more common board terms...Play a Game.
I just want to see what people would choose given the following restrictions: 4 first-party Newcomers, 1 third-party newcomer that HASN'T been highly requested yet (Geno, Shadow, Bajo-Kazooie), 2 Echoes for already confirmed characters.

For me, it would be:

(1st party Newcomers)
1. Skull Kid
2. Pheramosa/Buzzwole (working as a duo that switch out similarly to how Pokemon Trainer switches out Pokemon)
3. Hades
4. Magikoopa/Kamek (I grew up with him named Magikoopa, so I just put both names)

(3rd Party Newcomer)
5. Neku Sakuraba (would be a great, blindsided SE rep for the community lol)

(Echoes)
6. Dry Bowser (For Bowser....obviously lol)
7. Medusa (For Palutena; switch out some moves for Palutena's old customs as the data is still available and only aesthetic change would be needed)
1st party:
1. Elma
2. Bandana Waddle Dee
3. Chorus Kids
4. Buzzwole

3rd party:
5. Neku Sakuraba (Square Enix)

Echoes:
6. Impa (Sheik)
7. Dixie (Diddy)
 

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Would that guy really know about that kind of details for his position?
If that few people really know on the Capcom end of things then it'd be very risky for any of them to leak it.

Either way it's not looking good for that supposed "leak".
 

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the anime swordsman complaint is one of the most annoying things repeated on this board.

if you play a Japanese game and have a problem with Japanese character design that sounds like you just make poor decisions.
cant take any complaints on anime swordsman seriously when the fanbase encouraged Sakurai to inflate it (crome and roy) dont tell me people didnt beg for chrom i was here when it happened.

Elma gets a trailer, and people now start to reconsider. never change people.
 

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I was just thinking about this when Dark Pit was refrenced in the category. Totally slipped my mind that the Pits already dual weild bladed, but I don't consider their aesthetic "anime swordsman" at all. Do they have a slight anime touch? Well yeah...but anime is just Japanese cartoon and like 90%+ of the roster is made from Japan. So are all characters "Anime"?

I already dislike that distinction but if we wanna call out characters with similar builds and style that use swords than fine, but there's no way we can say any human who isn't from the Mushroom Kingdom is Anime (no one here said that, just using an example). The Fire Emblem cast does not equal the Kid Icarus cast which doesn't equal the Zelda cast. All different styles that are all made in Japan, so to call them all anime is really blanket and kinda obvious but if you don't like that then I guess you're asking for oversea's made characters???

Just some rambles.
This is pretty much anime swordsman hate in a nutshell.
 

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I thought R.O.B. was a Mario character, so I wondered why R.O.B. didn't have the mushroom icon when I first played Brawl.
You're not the only one. After ROB was leaked playable, I Had to look at his history because I was confused just as you were lol
 

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I hate to ask for requests, but I would love some for Deathborn, Chibi Robo, Doomguy, and Mike Jones... and maybe Elma, Skull Kid, Porky, and Rayman, and Goemon, and Boshi for those special people For the rest of the people here.

I would definitely put some in my sig
Skull kid and elma are pages back.
I hate to ask for requests, but I would love some for Deathborn, Chibi Robo, Doomguy, and Mike Jones... and maybe Elma, Skull Kid, Porky, and Rayman, and Goemon, and Boshi for those special people For the rest of the people here.

I would definitely put some in my sig
Thanks to Pakky, Splat and Isaac: Venus Adept.
Other assets were also grabbed from the internet.

boshi.PNG

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deathborn.PNG


I think I might make a topic to house all of these. hmmm.
I did post Elma and Skull Kid a ways back.

I made a thread holding all the images I made so far.
Will add more as I get time. The website is super easy to use to make these images. just requires 5 images for each new franchise. Two for returning franchises.
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-character-by-series-banners.457695/
 
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Hate to distract from the current debate, but I'm a bit bored and just thought I'd get people's opinions....or in more common board terms...Play a Game.
I just want to see what people would choose given the following restrictions: 4 first-party Newcomers, 1 third-party newcomer that HASN'T been highly requested yet (Geno, Shadow, Bajo-Kazooie), 2 Echoes for already confirmed characters.
Hate to distract from the current debate, but I'm a bit bored and just thought I'd get people's opinions....or in more common board terms...Play a Game.
I just want to see what people would choose given the following restrictions: 4 first-party Newcomers, 1 third-party newcomer that HASN'T been highly requested yet (Geno, Shadow, Bajo-Kazooie), 2 Echoes for already confirmed characters.

For me, it would be:

(1st party Newcomers)
1. Skull Kid
2. Pheramosa/Buzzwole (working as a duo that switch out similarly to how Pokemon Trainer switches out Pokemon)
3. Hades
4. Magikoopa/Kamek (I grew up with him named Magikoopa, so I just put both names)

(3rd Party Newcomer)
5. Neku Sakuraba (would be a great, blindsided SE rep for the community lol)

(Echoes)
6. Dry Bowser (For Bowser....obviously lol)
7. Medusa (For Palutena; switch out some moves for Palutena's old customs as the data is still available and only aesthetic change would be needed)
1st Party:
1. Elma
2. Prince Sable
3. Ayumi Tachibana
4. Chibi-Robo

3rd Party:
1. Amaterasu

Echoes:
1. Ninten (Ness)
2. Dixie (Diddy)
 

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Look, this might be a little late, but I’m trying my hardest. It’s just that having a joke account whose entire purpose is to advocate for a character that will never happen (especially for a character like Imajin) puts a low ceiling on comedic potential.
 

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Anyone who thinks that someone can datamine a file from a devkit isn't going to hard to convince honestly, just let them believe.
 

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the anime swordsman complaint is one of the most annoying things repeated on this board.

if you play a Japanese game and have a problem with Japanese character design that sounds like you just make poor decisions.
cant take any complaints on anime swordsman seriously when the fanbase encouraged Sakurai to inflate it (crome and roy) dont tell me people didnt beg for chrom i was here when it happened.

Elma gets a trailer, and people now start to reconsider. never change people.
In all fairness, the same people who are complaining about anime swordsmen aren't the same ones who requested Chrom and Roy in the first place. They're different groups within the Smash fanbase.

I still think it's silly though. I think a lot of them are really just looking for scapegoats for why their character didn't make it in.
 

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The most damning part is someone who has actually datamined both Brawl and Smash4 shows how the 'their names were translated!' in the code is completely bull****.
The guy (Reddit guy, not Billybo) makes good points but I don't like how he put Geno in the same category as Shrek and PinkGold Peach.

All that said, I'm not 100% convinced that the leak was false but at least there's enough doubt now that if Gardevoir isn't playable I'm not gonna hold that against Ultimate. (Remember the Brawl days? Poor ROB...)
 
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I could see the leak being false, but Gardevoir still being playable. I do still hope for Gothitelle though...

September needs to come faster so we can (hopefully) get another Direct or something to give us more. I need more reveals! I'm kinda hoping they'll have some Ultimate related Directs once a month leading up to the release.
 

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my thing with gothitelle is my first thought if it was revealed would be why not gardevior?

I don't care much for popularity polls. i care more about what the companies do. Gardevior has an honor only a few other pokemon have: another pokemon was created DIRECTLY due to its popularity: Gallade. Gardevior was gen 3 gen 4 introduced Gallade. In gen 6 both received mega evolutions which was basically a popularity acknowledgment in most cases.
Only other pokemon i know of that recieved a pokemon inspired by thier own design are: Pikachu (has at least 5), luigia, and debatable charizard.

the pokemon company is smart they base new designs off older popular designs. in gen 1 Squirtle is very popular its a simple design a reptile that uses water as a weapon and has weapons that shoot water in its final form. They returned to that core design in greninja and it was popular again.

gothitelle is a pokemon that was known for having shadow tag in competitive play but it wasnt a popularity choice.
 

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I could see the leak being false, but Gardevoir still being playable. I do still hope for Gothitelle though...

September needs to come faster so we can (hopefully) get another Direct or something to give us more. I need more reveals! I'm kinda hoping they'll have some Ultimate related Directs once a month leading up to the release.
That would be the dream. I do think that we are getting like more rampant like... character reveals and Echo Reveals as well. Like the teaser was a character reveal, then E3 was character and echo, then August was 2 newcomers and 3 echoes...

Also thinking of something about what they might do for F-Zero for a Spirits Boss is probably bring out the Creators from F-Zero GX. I kind of think that the logic is that if they seem too OP for Smash, they could be a character and if they seem to lack much pertinentence they're an assist. It doesn't apply to much, especially new series, which is why I think rathalos is both a Boss and an assist trophy.
 

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I don’t know. Given this game’s focus on fan requests, and the limited number of unique newcomers this time, I don’t think we’ll be seeing a “weird for the sake of being weird” character this time around.

In fact, I don’t even think R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer were included because of how weird they’d be. They’re both important parts of Nintendo’s history, and that’s why they were included. They just happen to be really weird in a fighting game.
This is probably true, which makes me sad. I always love characters like that that showcase Nintendo's history. There won't really be a chance for any outlier characters outside of the base game, since the inevitable DLC will probably be focused on promoting newer IPs.

While picking characters based off the ballot is probably for the best, I can't help but think the remaining newcomers will be safe picks at the same time. I feel like I'm not waiting for character reveals as much as waiting to see what their movesets are (I got the characters I wanted at this point, so I don't have a dog in the race). I'm not saying any character is guaranteed, but it'll likely be from the pool of popular fan picks like Skull Kid and company. I'd like to see a retro character or someone that isn't an obvious pick, just as a last curve ball and someone that isn't subject to echo chambers and hive mentality (I like Geno but would we really have this many supporters if Sakurai hadn't mentioned him in the past? I suppose he does kind of fit the retro criteria, and most people out of the Smash speculation loop wouldn't expect him).
 
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Gardevoir is possible and definitely a cool pick. Gothitelle would be even more out there than Pichu. Not a bad choice, just...random.

For me personally, I didn't even remember who Gothitelle was until someone posted a picture, lol. I still don't know if I see it working as a Gardevoir Echo, though...
 
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Hey so I just want to point out that that quote leak that was posted last night is currently completely undebunkable. It didn't do anything stupid to make it so that its obviously fake, and every character it suggested is supremely likely, and matches up with what Vergeben's been saying (though obviously that means nothing with how easy that is to do, but its worth pointing out)

Since y'all might be interested, the characters its saying are:
Unknown Pokemon Rep (Most likely, at least)
Skull Kid
Isaac
Waddle Dee
Rhythm Heaven Rep
Dixie (Diddy echo)
Isabelle (Most likely a villager echo)
Jin Kazama (from Tekken!)
Geno
Banjo-Kazooie
Shadow the Hedgehog (i dont even need to say who he's an echo of)
Ken (i don't have to say it here either)

The last character is one that literally nobody has been able to figure out, but I've hypothesized that it could be Elma, but I dunno. Now, obviously I could just be... way too into this leak because it has four of my biggest wants on it, but its worth noting how none of these characters have been deconfirmed, and all have something going for them.

Isabelle, Ken, Poke rep, and Geno all have the Vergeben leak going for them, so they might as well already be confirmed from where I'm standing (Worth noting is that Vergeben has never definitively stated it was Incineroar, just that he was assuming it was, which is interesting). As far as echoes go, Dixie and Shadow are obvious choices, with evidence for Dixie being that Diddy's jab was changed, and shadow having gone missing as an Assist Trophy. Skull Kid is also MIA, and like Shadow seems to have been replaced with a very similar Assist Character (thematically, I mean). Isaac is also missing, and Sakurai has kind of teased him at this point. Waddle Dee has the pure popularity behind him, and a Rhythm Heaven rep has that they were cut previously as evidence. Jin has the obvious connections with Bandai going on, and Banjo has Nintendo's frankly weird, chummy relationship with Microsoft.

Final thing to note is that this roster ends up completely even (86), no matter if you remove the echoes (76), or cut Pokemon Trainer down to one slot (84, 74), which means the roster is completely feasible with that one new mode everyone's saying the roster has to be connected to. There are also only 13 non-echo newcomers, making it the smallest batch of newcomers in franchise history (minus the first game, obviously), which goes with what Sakurai said of not expecting too many new characters. Though obviously if you put in the echoes, it becomes the largest batch at 21.

Speaking hypothetically, if this is real, then this is a fantastic roster. It has everything I personally want out of the game, and is basically truly an ultimate experience. New reps for long neglected franchises, excellent third parties, and a small but fun selection of completely new franchises. Speaking of this as a fake leak, which is still a massive possibility, this is one of the best I've seen. No drama BS, just going straight to cryptic hints, which in turn make trying to figure out the characters into a fun game rather than a generic list. It helps that some of the quotes used are genuinely really hard to figure out. 10/10 leak right here, making this stuff actually fun is great.

Now, I'm probably going to cling to this leak until it inevitably ends up being revealed as fake. I really, really just need something like this for the moment, because speculation and arguing about characters is the worst. The best thing I can compare it to is a colander filled with water, with a thin sheet of plastic covering the holes that you have to hold up to keep from falling to the ground. One wrong move, and the entire thing is gone.

that was probably too long for what its covering, nobody's probably going to read it. oh and if someone can figure out where this quote comes from, that would be appreciates

"Look above! They've been testing those three for awhile now! We will have to dig deeper for more though..."

Do you have a link/screenshot to the leak? You've got me intrigued.
 
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the anime swordsman complaint is one of the most annoying things repeated on this board.

if you play a Japanese game and have a problem with Japanese character design that sounds like you just make poor decisions.
cant take any complaints on anime swordsman seriously when the fanbase encouraged Sakurai to inflate it (crome and roy) dont tell me people didnt beg for chrom i was here when it happened.

Elma gets a trailer, and people now start to reconsider. never change people.
If there is anything I've learned about the Smash Fanbase in nearly three speculation cycles is that the fanbase is like an easily distracted child when you wave something shiny in front of it and entirely forgets what it was doing prior to that point.
 
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Gothitelle would be even more out there than Pichu. Not a bad choice, just...random.
I don't think Pichu is random at all. Controversial for sure, but it was more of a gen 2 mascot than Gothitelle is a gen 5 mascot.
 
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I don't think Pichu is random at all. Controversial for sure, but it was more of a gen 2 mascot than Gothitelle is a gen 5 mascot.
Nah, I didn't mean to imply Pichu was entirely random. Maybe a little, but not a ton. Anything related to Pikachu is a choice that makes sense in hindsight, in my opinion.

It was mainly a comparison thing. I probably could've chosen a better character now that I think about it, lol. :p
 

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the anime swordsman complaint is one of the most annoying things repeated on this board.

if you play a Japanese game and have a problem with Japanese character design that sounds like you just make poor decisions.
cant take any complaints on anime swordsman seriously when the fanbase encouraged Sakurai to inflate it (crome and roy) dont tell me people didnt beg for chrom i was here when it happened.

Elma gets a trailer, and people now start to reconsider. never change people.
If there is anything I've learned about the Smash Fanbase in nearly three speculation cycles is that the fanbase is like an easily distracted child when you wave something shiny in front of it and entirely forgets what it was doing prior to that point.
Me, when people are annoyed about swordsmen:


I'm not particularly concerned about them, so long as they bring something unique to the table (at least with specials), or an improvement over what came before.
 
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