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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Paperchampion23

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Because Simon is the more iconic of the two, Richter isn't nearly as well-known as Simon
My mistake, but then it just means something else it was wrong about
Yes, Pit was actually a popular request to the point Sakurai talked about it. And yes, Palutena was a popular request? While those other 3 examples aren't popular requests, you're also forgetting one key detail. EVERY CHARACTER SHOWN OFF HAS BEEN A POPULAR CHARACTER. Gothitelle does NOT fit there

Sorry, I just get incredibly annoyed when I see people say the dumbest **** because you said "Just give him the spear and he'll still be an echo!" back then which makes zero sense. Just like how it makes zero sense to turn a character into a stone block and not use a spear outside of maybe one move despite only ever using spears and parasols

Earth to Echo enthusiast: Globox doesn't have the same proportions as Rayman and Smash would give him more than like 3 attacks
Lmao. It's like talking to a rock with this one.

Not even going to try and retort with this madness.

And for the record, having the same proportions is once again, a fan-made rule.

Assumptions is all you make. It's like a balloon full of air.
 

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Okay I’m just gonna say, I’d be pretty confused if we got Gothitelle over Zoroark, Echo or not it would just feel weird having her over the face of Gen 5.
 

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Is it bad that I think that Banjo might have a chance? I just have a gut feeling about it.
 

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Lmao. It's like talking to a rock with this one.

Not even going to try and retort with this madness.

And for the record, having the same proportions is once again, a fan-made rule.

Assumptions is all you make. It's like a balloon full of air.
It’s not a “rule” it’s a fact of how animations and skeletons are rigged to models. This isn’t a subjective opinion, it’s a fact of game design.
 

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It’s not a “rule” it’s a fact of how animations and skeletons are rigged to models. This isn’t a subjective opinion, it’s a fact of game design.
Except Ganondorf, Pichu or Young Link were not the same proportions as Falcon, Pikachu or Link in melee. It's a fan-made rule.
 

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Okay I’m just gonna say, I’d be pretty confused if we got Gothitelle over Zoroark, Echo or not it would just feel weird having her over the face of Gen 5.
If Gothitelle actually gets in, that would be what affirmative action looks like.

People wanted all generations to be repped equally... so a popular 3rd gen Pokemon gets in with a literally who 5th gen Pokemon Echo Fighter.
 

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I really hope that Gardevoir appears as a Pokéball summon in the next demo so people can stop arguing about that "leak".

At least this leaker said which Pokémon is getting in. I love all those leaks where they talk about a Gen X rep but dang it I am not certain about which one so sorry teehee. Yah, you know the Gen but you don't know the Pokémon, okay. It's so funny.
To be fair the Gematsu leak also had Greninja written down simply as "Pokémon from X/Y", which is likely why all these fake leakers are doing the same. That was very very early information though, I don't think we'd get a leak from so early in development when we're this close to release, it'd have been leaked before we even got the initial teaser trailer.
 
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I do wonder how many people would start liking Gothitelle if it does become a newcomer? :p
Not that many... imagine gothitelle is echo, but no dixie kong. Or no shadow. Or no isabelle. Or no black shadow. Or no impa.

If one of these characters is missing (or many other popular candidates as echo) and gothitelle gets in, things will get interesting... in a bad way
 

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Actually Palutena was one of the highest requested characters before her reveal back in 4 speculation days. I remember when she "got leaked" in those images with Mario, people reacted with a lot of praise. The same when she got announced, although she was overshadowed by Pacman.
I remember the people from the Leaks thread would go back to talking about Palutena after a new leak is shot down.
 

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Fan. Made. Rule.
Reiterating that isn't gonna change the fact that characters like Pichu and Young Link aren't echo fighters. Lucina's proportions matches Marth. Dark Pit's proportions matches with Pit. Ergo, they are echo fighters.

Pichu's proportions do not match with Pikachu's. Pichu is not an echo fighter.

A fan made rule would be "there can't be echo fighters of a third party rep!" Echo fighters having similar proportions is not a fan made rule, it's just obvious.
 
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Back in Smash 4 Speculation, I remember the "Big 4" that people referred to were Ridley, King K. Rool, Palutena, and Little Mac, in reference to the "most wanted" newcomers.
 

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Except Ganondorf, Pichu or Young Link were not the same proportions as Falcon, Pikachu or Link in melee. It's a fan-made rule.
Ganondorf got in precisely because his SpaceWorld demo model fit over Captain Falcon perfectly lmao
And do note that Ganondorf, Pichu and Young Link aren't echoes here.

Fan. Made. Rule.

 

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Back in Smash 4 Speculation, I remember the "Big 4" that people referred to were Ridley, King K. Rool, Palutena, and Little Mac, in reference to the "most wanted" newcomers.
It's cool to see how all those characters are finally in the roster :)
 

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Melee clones are not the same as Ultimate echoes. Echo Fighters need about the same proportions as the original.
Fan. Made. Rule.
I feel like I have a good understanding of what an Echo is, but I can't quite put it into words. All I know is that an Echo doesn't have to function the same way as Lucina or Dark Pit. There can be some notable changes, such as Chrom having a completely different move from Roy.

If size is the only thing different between a character and an Echo, I think it could still work.
 

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Given what we have seen of echos, i am positive the only rule is that the character has nothing original made for them outside if look and feel.

Dark samus has samus moves. Just unique animations. Chrom is roy and ike mashed together

There is nothing original about them. Just parts if characters thrown together to make a new one.

Given that, echoes can really be anything as long as they have a base and require no new development outside of animations.

All other rules are silly.
 
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So do we know if there's a new demo build at Gamescom? That new k. Rool video has #Gamescom attached to it.
 

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So do we know if there's a new demo build at Gamescom? That new k. Rool video has #Gamescom attached to it.
I don't think anyone knows, the first day of Gamescom is media only, but it'll be open to the public tomorrow, so we'll see soon enough.
 

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I really hope that Gardevoir appears as a Pokéball summon in the next demo so people can stop arguing about that "leak".

At least this leaker said which Pokémon is getting in. I love all those leaks where they talk about a Gen X rep but dang it I am not certain about which one so sorry teehee. Yah, you know the Gen but you don't know the Pokémon, okay. It's so funny.
As someone who would love playable Gardevoir... I actually want her to show up as a Pokeball ASAP. My higher brain functions say it was a lucky fake but my hope and confirmation bias are clinging to it. It's like trying to take a kid to their second day of school and they've dug their nails into the doorpost.

The worst case scenario is that Gardevoir gets Isaac'd and no-one wants that.
 

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Fan. Made. Rule.
I don't think it is, I honestly think that's the only real rule. There's a reason Lucina is taller than she should canonically be, same with daisy. I'm no game dev so if someone else wants to step in but I assume changing the proportions would mess with the animations and it would take more work and time to fix that.
 
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As someone who would love playable Gardevoir... I actually want her to show up as a Pokeball ASAP. My higher
The longer it goes on the more hope you have...although for some it is better to be disappointed early rather than "strung along".

I was insulted and attacked first for having an opinion. I'm done responding.
You aren't the first and won't be the last with that particular poster, you have my sympathy! :p
 
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As someone who would love playable Gardevoir... I actually want her to show up as a Pokeball ASAP. My higher brain functions say it was a lucky fake but my hope and confirmation bias are clinging to it. It's like trying to take a kid to their second day of school and they've dug their nails into the doorpost.

The worst case scenario is that Gardevoir gets Isaac'd and no-one wants that.
Reminds me of the Ridley boss tease. We had to wait six months before we finally got an official confirmation that the shadow was indeed a boss and not a character.

Poor marketing on Nintendo's part.

I don't think it is, I honestly think that's the only real rule. There's a reason Lucina is taller than she should canonically be, same with daisy. I'm no game dev so if someone else wants to step in but I assume changing the proportions would mess with the animations and it would take more work and time to fix that.
To be fair, it's not like those height differences are really that major. With a game like Smash, it's hard to show some variation with the heights between human characters when you already have to scale up tiny characters like Pikachu, Pichu, and Kirby and scale down big characters like Bowser, DK, and Ridley.

In other words, I think it has less to do with Lucina being a clone and more to do with anything smaller than that looking weird or out of place when compared to the characters who should have obvious differences in height.
 
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At face value, I would not mind Gardevoir as a newcomer.

At the same time, I think Gothitelle as a token 5th gen representative through making Gardevoir an echo is really weird.
 

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Reminds me of the Ridley boss tease. We had to wait six months before we finally got an official confirmation that the shadow was indeed a boss and not a character.

Poor marketing on Nintendo's part.



To be fair, it's not like those height differences are really that major. With a game like Smash, it's hard to show some variation with the heights between human characters when you already have to scale up tiny characters like Pikachu, Pichu, and Kirby and scale down big characters like Bowser, DK, and Ridley.

In other words, I think it has less to do with Lucina being a clone and more to do with anything smaller than that looking weird or out of place when compared to the characters who should have obvious differences in height.
She should really be shorter than Robin at least though, she's taller than male robin which looks so strange.
 

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You know something? We haven't gotten any blog updates that were not fighters in a week now.

I'm interested in some new info. At least when they show us a Pokémon/Assist we already know, it usually comes with new pictures.

At least we got those fights shown. That K.Rool fight that was posted was incredible to see - that move with the cannonball? Epic. Althuoght I really hope they go back and give the Dorf a unique victory if every other villain is getting one. Or just give everyone a unique theme...
 

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At face value, I would not mind Gardevoir as a newcomer.

At the same time, I think Gothitelle as a token 5th gen representative through making Gardevoir an echo is really weird.
Also, why add a gen 3 and 5 pokemon over a gen 7 one? it really doesn't make sense, and adding 2 pokemon newcomers would be ridiculous.
 

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At face value, I would not mind Gardevoir as a newcomer.

At the same time, I think Gothitelle as a token 5th gen representative through making Gardevoir an echo is really weird.
It's a strange feeling, too. Hoenn and Unova are my two favorite regions, but while Gardevoir makes a ton of sense for a Hoennese Pokémon character, having the Unovan Pokémon be Gothitelle over the more prominent choices (the starters, Zoroark, Genesect, Victini...) or the fan favorite choices (Chandelure, Haxorus, Krookodile, Golurk...) would just feel...hollow. Almost insultingly so, haha. Like "we wanted to represent all the regions, but your favorite region was deemed low enough priority for a low-priority, low-popularity echo at most." Obviously the thought process wouldn't actually be that, but still.
 
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I feel like this thread made a tremendous jump since the last time I was here just a day or two ago. What's this about Gothitelle? Has that rumor resurfaced again or did something happen to make it more credible? Personally, I liked Pokemon Black/White and would actually love Gothitelle (I would use it over Gardevoir lol). I don't want to hype myself up, though, so I'm curious what brought back talks of it.
 

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The difference here is that ChaosZero doesn't make the impossible claim that they stole a CEO demo unit. ChaosZero is closer to Ninka Kiwi in that they both knew a guy who gave them legitimate info that was seen as outlandish.

If Gardevoir/Gothitelle get in, I'll be the first person to admit that I was wrong about this one because mocking this """"leak"""" is really fun due to how ludicrous it is.
Same. I don't believe it at all and I think it's weird that so many people do, but I will 100% admit I was wrong if it were true, because come on, who could predict that.
So do we know if there's a new demo build at Gamescom? That new k. Rool video has #Gamescom attached to it.
I believe Source Gaming said it was the same demo as last time.
Im honestly not sure what they mean here, they say it's not the same but then say it has all the same stuff....my guess is nothing new so the King K. Rool and Dark Samus/Chrom videos were just internal. Bummer.​
 
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I feel like this thread made a tremendous jump since the last time I was here just a day or two ago. What's this about Gothitelle? Has that rumor resurfaced again or did something happen to make it more credible? Personally, I liked Pokemon Black/White and would actually love Gothitelle (I would use it over Gardevoir lol). I don't want to hype myself up, though, so I'm curious what brought back talks of it.
Talk just resurfaced because of Gamescom. People are questioning whether or not there'd be a new demo, with some joking that if there was, someone could "steal a demo kiosk again" as a tongue in cheek reference to the Gothitelle stuff.
 

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At face value, I would not mind Gardevoir as a newcomer.

At the same time, I think Gothitelle as a token 5th gen representative through making Gardevoir an echo is really weird.
I think my biggest problem with Gardevoir has less to do with the character choice and more to do with Gothitelle as an Echo being the main reason why she was chosen.

Setting the randomness of Gothitelle aside, I don't think any newcomer should be added to the roster for the sole purpose of having another character to give an Echo to. Echoes should be an afterthought.

She should really be shorter than Robin at least though, she's taller than male robin which looks so strange.
Can't really explain that. Making Lucina a tad bit shorter wouldn't change her that much.
 
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I feel like this thread made a tremendous jump since the last time I was here just a day or two ago. What's this about Gothitelle? Has that rumor resurfaced again or did something happen to make it more credible? Personally, I liked Pokemon Black/White and would actually love Gothitelle (I would use it over Gardevoir lol). I don't want to hype myself up, though, so I'm curious what brought back talks of it.
Talk about new Ultimate footage -> Will there be a new demo at Gamescom -> If there's a new demo will it be """"datamined"""" like it was last time -> lol that """"leak"""" is stupid -> But it could be real -> EXPLOSION

Nothing about that rumor has changed as of now.

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Ah ok; I forgot Gamescom was this week/weekend. Kinda hard to put stock in that rumor, I admit, but at the same time, if there's ever been a trend in leaks, its that there's always something stupid sounding in the true one. The same is for all leaks, really. I remember early X/Y leaks; the true one was the one nobody believed and thought was dumb; the one stating only 79 new pokemon (or whatever it was at the time) were to be added. For Smash Wii U, it was the one saying Duck Hunt would be in. For DBZ Fighterz; it was that Base Goku & Vegeta were coming (which seemed really dumb since there was already Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue versions for both). Even way back to DBZ Tenkaichi 3; the rumor that ended up being true was the one that said General Blue fromt he Red Ribbon Army was in; something that NOBODY expected.

The true leaks are always the ones that nobody saw coming, nobody suggested, and few (if anyone) wanted. They're usually the ones that people fight the hardest against to disprove, too, due to general dislike by a majority of people.

EDIT: Thanks Oppossum and Tougon for the replies. Especially for breakdown, too, Tougon lol.
 
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Been thinking, would Virdi just summon plants instead of light as an echo of :ultpalutena: or would she be her own thing?

Also I want contra in smash now... Its important.
 
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