Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MamaLuigi123456]

You're a fan of it too, eh? Cool!

I remember in there was actually a small amount of support here for Scrooge McDuck back in the Smash 4 days. I might not ever want Dragon Ball's Goku in Smash, but I'd be more than okay if Scrooge McDuck got in. You may all make of that what you will.

DuckTales is one of the reasons I recently became an active supporter for Cranky Kong.
I'll let you connect the dots...

 

[Heracr055]

False. Black Yoshi

 

[KMDP]

One of these days I oughta go to a convention and also a tournament myself.

The whole idea behind Ultimate makes the whole thing rather bittersweet. Perhaps more sweet than bitter, but even some of the character reveals have felt bittersweet in their own regard. Many fans of the characters they've clamored to see playable in Smash for so long have been saying this is the end of an era for their character and Smash speculation. I can definitely agree with that. It feels weird knowing we won't be talking about certain characters being able to get in or not and why, anymore.

I'll probably still play 4 from time to time, though maybe I shouldn't count on it yet. I haven't played Brawl since moving onto 4 much at all, usually only did so when a friend was over to play it, too.

Well, when the next Nintendo Console comes out we can all have discussions about who's getting cut.

The end of one era is just the start of another.

*has a vision of the first trailer of the Smash 6*

EVERYONE
IS
CUT​

 

[XenoWarriorX]

All of them.

Unless you mean design, then in that case...

All of them

Spoiler

Except Melee Yoshi

BUT MELEE YOSHI IS....

Um..


nvm.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

maaaaaaaaaaan why does everyone forget my homie Brown Yoshi?

plz Sakurai... just one more alt...

 

[DevaAshera]

The Rayman trophy and Geno costume bother me more and more after I got my boy K.Rool.

Honestly, they and Banjo I could believe are the last big bullets in the chamber.

Commander Video was odd but that probably an assist.

They were likely only trophies due to Nintendo having published their last games in Japan and thus having easily obtainable, minimal work characters to add more 3rd Party and Indie representation into Smash. I feel that, along with Western popularity, is why Shovel Knight is an Assist Trophy since Nintendo published his game in Japan.
I don't think Rayman, Commander Video, or even Shovel Knight were considered for roster spots at any point.

 

[ZephyrZ]

So Zinith likes Yoshi...

Question: what kind of Yoshi is best?

It's got to be Yarn Yoshi. The fact that they made actual amiibos for that thing out of yarn is still so cool to me. Woolly World may not be my favorite game in the Wii U's library but even I've got to admit that it's just packed full to the brim with charm. It's such a shame the Woolly World stage is nowhere to be seen, much less a Yarn Yoshi costume.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Yeah about that...

That was bs. Two weeks later he went on reset era flaming and just straight up trolling and being a dock, getting banned pretty quick all because of daisy arguments.

Unfortunately he kind of won in the end. This may sound wrong but I can’t be happy with daisy in smash because it means he wins and he destroyed that fanbase and it’s reputation.

Maybe in time I’ll play her as I use peach a lot but it’s going to sting.

Really? Well, damn it, that's a huge shame.

Any way that I can see proof of this? I'm not doubting this or you at all, but I also don't often like to speak ill of people from here who have little to no means of defending themselves anymore (even if they truthfully did something to justify it; otherwise). Besides that, I've said I had little personal involvement with the guy, if any. Just don't wanna go on being negative about him when I really never met or even saw much of him. It's not really fair for me to do so and also risks spreading false information. This would be the same for anyone else with a bad reputation that I don't positively know much about.

That being said, he's one Daisy fan among many. I totally understand how you might feel about the character after all that crap, but don't let someone else ruin your enjoyment of something. You're only letting them "win" further if you do.

 

[Z25]

It's Boshi obviously

Your reaction when Geno gets in and boshi does to as an echo

Really? Well, damn it, that's a huge shame.

Any way that I can see proof of this? I'm not doubting this or you at all, but I also don't often like to speak ill of people from here who have little to no means of defending themselves anymore (even if they truthfully did something to justify it; otherwise). Besides that, I've said I had little personal involvement with the guy, if any. Just don't wanna go on being negative about him when I really never met or even saw much of him. It's not really fair for me to do so and also risks spreading false information. This would be the same for anyone else with a bad reputation that I don't positively know much about.

That being said, he's one Daisy fan among many. I totally understand how you might feel about the character after all that crap, but don't let someone else ruin your enjoyment of something. You're only letting them "win" further if you do.

I’m not sure where, but I know it was posted in the social a long time back about two weeks before E3.

And your right I shouldn’t. Daisy was never really a character I liked to begin with. I liked waluigi more and even then I don’t really have a difference on him being playable or not. He could be fun but has a lot of reasons to not be in.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Any way that I can see proof of this?

This here will tell you what you need to know

 

[KMDP]

Okay, this got a laugh out of me.

It's hard to choose 6 when you only want 1.pls

The greatest character of all time.

 

[Zinith]

This here will tell you what you need to know

I'm shocked that SmashFaqs has it's own wiki...

Just like the SB Social...

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Imagine if Waluigi was confirmed at E3 and Daisy was deconfirmed. I know it's crazy to say, but the memoryman fallout could've been even worse than what happened with the Waluigi trolls.

 

[Heracr055]

It's got to be Yarn Yoshi. The fact that they made actual amiibos for that thing out of yarn is still so cool to me. Woolly World may not be my favorite game in the Wii U's library but even I've got to admit that it's just packed full to the brim with charm. It's such a shame the Woolly World stage is nowhere to be seen, much less a Yarn Yoshi costume.

Well that's debatable

There's basically 2 schools of thought

 

[Z25]

I'm shocked that SmashFaqs has it's own wiki...

Just like the SB Social...

And it’s even recently, weird.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I’m not sure where, but I know it was posted in the social a long time back about two weeks before E3.

And your right I shouldn’t. Daisy was never really a character I liked to begin with. I liked waluigi more and even then I don’t really have a difference on him being playable or not. He could be fun but has a lot of reasons to not be in.

Alright. Maybe I'll look it into when I get a chance, then.

That's fair. I was always more of a Waluigi fan myself but I'm personally okay with this. Just try not to be too bitter over it, alright? I've felt negative for similar reasons before about other things. Sometimes it's honestly perfectly justified but one may be better off letting it go, at least after some time to take it all in.

 

[DevaAshera]

I want to see Items/ATs/Pokemon, not characters who have been on the site since Day1.

Me too..though mostly just to rip that bandaid off. I may want that Gardevoir leak to be true, but I know chances are slim and I'd rather they just reveal Gardevoir as a Pokéball if it isn't playable so I can make peace with it.

Yeah about that...

That was bs. Two weeks later he went on reset era flaming and just straight up trolling and being a dock, getting banned pretty quick all because of daisy arguments.

Unfortunately he kind of won in the end. This may sound wrong but I can’t be happy with daisy in smash because it means he wins and he destroyed that fanbase and it’s reputation.

Maybe in time I’ll play her as I use peach a lot but it’s going to sting.

I'm really glad terrible fans can't make me hate a character or I'd despise Ridley, K. Rool, Daisy, and Waluigi instead of just Bowser Jr.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Thanks, btw! The reboot is pretty great. It's hit a few bumps here and there, but overall I can safely say I've loved it.

I just wish the season wasn’t ending tomorrow

I'd like a Royal Rumble mode for Smash, tbh. That'd be cool. Start with 4 characters, players get eliminated and a new player has to take their place.

Wouldn’t be the same without cool entrances and songs...and having only 8 on the stage instead of 10+

In the first month of me being on this site, everyone kept calling me the Yoshi equivalent of memoryman. I think people pulled back when they realized how silly that thought was...

I forgot about Memoryman...been a long time since I heard that Daisy fan’s name

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Was memoryman the one who made the "We Are Daisy" thing and then started a petition to have Sakurai make Daisy have her own character?

Ungrateful *******.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If I let enough weird or toxic fans ruin something for me, I probably wouldn't be in even half of the fandoms that I'm in, lol.

I've learned to deal with the worst of 'em and enjoy those things regardless. If it isn't something you ever liked to begin with, well, I can't argue there. But maintaining spite towards it over whatever led you to feel that isn't necessarily healthy, either.

 

[Troykv]

Me too..though mostly just to rip that bandaid off. I may want that Gardevoir leak to be true, but I know chances are slim and I'd rather they just reveal Gardevoir as a Pokéball if it isn't playable so I can make peace with it.

I'm really glad terrible fans can't make me hate a character or I'd despise Ridley, K. Rool, Daisy, and Waluigi instead of just Bowser Jr.

Yeah; dislike a character for their fans is a bit unfair; many popular characters have big fanbases with all kind of people.

 

[NintenRob]

I did some Math

Currently confirmed franchise numbers

Metroid - 25 total (up from 17 in Smash 4)
Yoshi - 14 total (up from 11 in Smash 4)
Kirby - 39 total (up from 31 in Smash 4)
Star Fox - 17 total (up from 14 in Smash 4)
Game and Watch - 2 total (same as Smash 4)
Wii Fit - 10 total (up from 6 in Smash 4)
Sonic - 20 total (up from 14 in Smash 4)
Bayonetta - 11 total (same as Smash 4)
Pac-Man - 13 total (up from 3 in Smash 4*)
Final Fantasy - 2 total (same as Smash 4)
Street Fighter - 36 (up from 6 in Smash 4)
Splatoon - 23
Castlevania - 34

That's 246 of the 800+ soundtrack accommodated for

There's also 99 "other" which I approximate is up from 66-72 Smash Wii U, depends how the retro Namco songs are counted as Pac-Man or not, bringing up to amount of accommodated songs to 345

That leaves
1. Mario 45
2. Mario Spin-off 25
3. Donkey Kong 19
4. Legend of Zelda 34
5. Pokemon 23
6. Earthbound 9
7. F-Zero 15
8. Fire Emblem 23
9. Wario 6*
10. Kid Icarus 13
11. Pikmin 8
12. Metal Gear
13. Animal Crossing 11
14. Punch-Out 5
15. Mega Man 10
16. Xenoblade 8

254 is the total for these franchises counting the songs they had in Smash Wii U. Of course Metal Gear didn't have any songs in Smash Wii U. But if we count the songs it had in Brawl, it had 9. Bringing it up 263. Wario had less songs in Smash Wii U then it did in Brawl, but I'll leave it as is.

Adding the two totals brings us to 608 songs.

That Leaves about 200 songs to be spread across the above 16 franchises. That's about 12.5 each. Of course Mario will likely take a huge chunk of that. I could also see Mega Man, Metal Gear and maybe Xenoblade getting a larger than average increase. And of course we don't know if there are more franchises or not (I personally don't think there is)

So maybe
That leaves
1. Mario 45 + 25
2. Mario Spin-off 25 +17
3. Donkey Kong 19 + 8
4. Legend of Zelda 34 + 17
5. Pokemon 23 + 9
6. Earthbound 9 + 6
7. F-Zero 15 + 5
8. Fire Emblem 23 + 15
9. Wario 6* + 12 (Probably get those Brawl songs back)
10. Kid Icarus 13 + 10
11. Pikmin 8 + 4
12. Metal Gear 9 + 26
13. Animal Crossing 11 + 8
14. Punch-Out 5 + 11
15. Mega Man 10 + 24
16. Xenoblade 8 + 21

That's 218 new unaccounted spread as a guess

Man I can't wait to see the full soundtrack

 

[DevaAshera]

Yeah; dislike a character for their fans is a bit unfair; many popular characters have big fanbases with all kind of people.

Yeah, and some make it hard if they are dismissive of any other characters or start hate campaigns on characters they feel 'stole' their character's spot, which is a ridiculous thought process..but it's not like it's the character's fault.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Let's move onto something more positive; I wonder how'd we all be doing right now if the Miiverse was still up, or Sakurai used some other method for a new Pic of the Day system like he did for Smash 4.

"Pic of the day: There's no more returning fighters to show off since you already know they're all coming back, so here's another close-up of Luigi's nose in HD to keep you tied over."

 

[Idon]

I've yet to see a community without the worst of people tainting its image.

Honestly, I'm sick of hearing "that community is toxic" to everything. It means nothing anymore, and it's just a catch-all generic reason as to dislike the whole of a community arbitrarily.

 

[KingBroly]

Wouldn’t be the same without cool entrances and songs...and having only 8 on the stage instead of 10+

I really have no idea how it'd work. I'm just throwing it out there. Maybe do a countdown with their special entrance.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

I did some Math

Jesus man

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I've yet to see a community without the worst of people tainting its image.

Honestly, I'm sick of hearing "that community is toxic" to everything. It means nothing anymore, and it's just a catch-all generic reason as to dislike the whole of a community arbitrarily.

THIS

This so much. Every community has toxic parts. Especially larger ones; none of those are safe from it. Maybe some communities have more prominent toxic sides than others, but so what? That still doesn't make the entire community bad on it's own. You don't have a right to instantly judge any random individual based on what other fans of the same thing might be like.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

THIS

This so much. Every community has toxic parts. Especially larger ones; none of those are safe from it. Maybe some communities have more prominent toxic sides than others, but so what? That still doesn't make the entire community bad on it's own. You don't have a right to instantly judge any random individual based on what other fans of the same thing might be like.

For every good side, there's an equally bad side.

 

[Crooked Crow]

THIS

This so much. Every community has toxic parts. Especially larger ones; none of those are safe from it. Maybe some communities have more prominent toxic sides than others, but so what? That still doesn't make the entire community bad on it's own. You don't have a right to instantly judge any random individual based on what other fans of the same thing might be like.

I think the only community I have seen that isn't toxic is well.. Kirby.

 

[DevaAshera]

Yeah, I mean the Smash Community itself is known for being pretty toxic..just look how a lot of people react to Bayonetta's reveal for Ultimate or her players..

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I'd like a Royal Rumble mode for Smash, tbh. That'd be cool. Start with 4 characters, players get eliminated and a new player has to take their place.

DUDE

I've been wanting to try something like that. One thing that caught my attention is this idea

Or this

Which I'm sure would be editing hell. I'd rather the first one because it would add to the match where the longer one is in the match, the more damage is on him

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I think the only community I have seen that isn't toxic is well.. Kirby.

The Kirby. community......isn't actually all that bad at all, truly. Yeah. Least not from what I've seen, either.

No idea why it in particular seems to be so fortunate.

 

[NintenRob]

Jesus man

Haha, it was just a lot of counting, nothing on too time consuming anyway

 

[Zinith]

I think the only community I have seen that isn't toxic is well.. Kirby.

Don't get into VS. debates with Kirby fans...

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Haha, it was just a lot of counting, nothing on too time consuming anyway

Well the efforts appreciated nonetheless.

Don't get into VS. debates with Kirby fans...

THIS

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

cringe culture in general is just stupid tbh

 

[CaptainMac]

Not sure if this has been shown here already, but I'll let you all make your choices first.

(5)Banjo-Kazooie
(4)Incineroar
(3)Spring Man
(3)Isabelle

 

[Pakky]

Spoiler: Globox

Spoiler: Barbara

Why because...

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Not sure if this has been shown here already, but I'll let you all make your choices first.

Isaac (5 Points)
Skull Kid (4 Points)
Dixie Kong (3 Points)
Octolings (2 Points)
Last lucky point goes to Hector.