Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[RandomAce]

Real talk, tho, gen 1 has been "pandered to" so heavily the last few years because the kids who played gen 1 are all grown up and have kids themselves. That's the reason Let's Go is what it is.

That and with the sudden Pokémon Go craze.

They made Let’s Go specifically for those who only played Pokémon Go. Casuals.

The one next year in 2019 is when the “Gen 8” game comes out for more hardcore fans.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I love the Gen V games, but seriously I'm struggling to think of more than 3 potential playable candidates from them. The designs are so out there on a lot of them, and Gen V also has some of the most forgettable pokemon from the entire series. Anyone remember Elgyem, Maractus, and Heatmor?

Now Gen 3 on the other hand, has tons of viable options imo.

Well if that one leak is true we could get Gardevoir for a Gen 3 Rep and Gothitelle as a Gardevoir echo for a Gen V rep.

But obviously the correct answer for Gen V rep, leak aside, is Chandelure.

What's everyones opinion on people thinking that the 103 stages we have now are the only stages we're getting ?

Honestly I think 103 is it. It seemed almost definitive when he said it.

But I suppose there’s room for 6 more. Or there just some empty space

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Real talk, tho, gen 1 has been "pandered to" so heavily the last few years because the kids who played gen 1 are all grown up and have kids themselves. That's the reason Let's Go is what it is.

Not really sure why that's a negative to everyone though, to be honest...

 

[Gumzilla]

So who thinks a DK stage based on Tropical Freeze would be cool?

 

[CroonerMike]

Gee, always love when the smash ultimate thread becomes a Pokémon discussion thread.

 

[papagenos]

Well if that one leak is true we could get Gardevoir for a Gen 3 Rep and Gothitelle as a Gardevoir echo for a Gen V rep.

But obviously the correct answer for Gen V rep, leak aside, is Chandelure.



Honestly I think 103 is it. It seemed almost definitive when he said it.

But I suppose there’s room for 6 more. Or there just some empty space

chandelure is so dope haha id be very down for that

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I still don't have kids and I'm 10 years older than how old my father was when I was born

Although if I had kids at that age I wouldn't have been prepared. I was basically a kid still

 

[Idon]

Gee, always love when the smash ultimate thread becomes a Pokémon discussion thread.

Well, to be fair, most people are talking about Pokemon in relation to being represented in Smash Ultimate.

... not me though, I'm talking about how BLASTOISE FACE-TANKED A PUNCH FROM A FLYING 700 POUND DRAGON AND NO-SOLD IT LIKE IT WAS NOTHING.

 

[Iridium]

So, what do you guys think about Meta Ridley? We still haven't gotten a reason why his alt was excluded from the playable demos at all. It probably doesn't mean every character will get more alts, but I would be fine with everyone getting more.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I mean Gen 1 as games haven't aged the best, yes, we all know this

but the pokemon designs themselves remain still pretty solid and most of the best known Pokemon (I'd guess at least 50%) are from that Gen.

...Granted Pokemon as a design does have a lot of issues, but I don't think I'm going to find any people in this thread who also indulged in ShayMay's 7 hour exhaustive look at Pokemon: Omega Ruby, so, I'll save that for a different group at a different time.

 

[Momotsuki]

I generally totally disregard any leak that doesn't try to provide something to back themselves up. Richter could have easily been a lucky guess. Now could I be wrong? Of course! Maybe the leak is real and he knew Richter was gonna be in and wasn't taking a stab in the dark. But for now I remain highly dismissive of these "leaks" which are hardly even leaks, but just he said she said.

 

[Noipoi]

So, what do you guys think about Meta Ridley? We still haven't gotten a reason why his alt was excluded from the playable demos at all. It probably doesn't mean every character will get more alts, but I would be fine with everyone getting more.

It's probably just an alt that hasn't been put in any demos for some reason.
It'll be here for the full game.

 

[Impa4Smash]

So who thinks a DK stage based on Tropical Freeze would be cool?

Any DK stage would be cool. But my personal choice would be a silhouette level inspired one

Gee, always love when the smash ultimate thread becomes a Pokémon discussion thread.

Pokemon are a part of Smash

 

[Gumzilla]

So, what do you guys think about Meta Ridley? We still haven't gotten a reason why his alt was excluded from the playable demos at all. It probably doesn't mean every character will get more alts, but I would be fine with everyone getting more.

Maybe it still needs tweaking

 

[Enchess]

Gee, always love when the smash ultimate thread becomes a Pokémon discussion thread.

Well, no one let's me turn it into a Fatal Frame discussion thread. But really, this thread feels a bit chaotic right now that it's been awhile since the Direct. Maybe Pokemon is the new Shadow echo.
Side note: I've seen a Fatal Frame rep on leaks starting all the way back before E3 and still see it pop up now. I haven't been saving the links cuz I'm dumb, but I think it's safe to say a FF rep has shown up on at least 10 leaks. Just putting this out there so just in case a Fatal Frame rep is announced and people say "nobody was leaking that" or "nobody would've guessed that" and everyone jumps behind a fake leak, I can quote this and be like "revisionism"

 

[Deleted member]

Most of the people arguing with you like Gen 1. I personally love it a lot. We just like the other gens too. The problem is those games are forever stuck being with Gen 1, which drastically reduces their chance of getting their best Pokemon in purely because they are newer and thus not nostalgic. I genuinely believe Gen V has quite a few of the best designed Pokemon, but they'll never get a chance to be in Smash because it's always gonna be sandwiched between the nostalgia of Gen 1 and the latest entry. I truly don't think it would matter how good a Pokemon was. Frankly, if Pikachu was a Gen V Pkmn, I doubt he'd get in because he wouldn't be "the original"

When we have Pokémon like Lucario who have definitely made their mark despite not being Gen 1, I find the whole "the Pokémon can't be nostalgic because it's not Gen 1" to be a flimsy excuse.

Especially since Gen 2 and 3 were much bigger parts of my childhood than Gen 1 outside the anime. :/
Hell, before Incineroar came around, I was pretty much "the Entei guy" for all of my Smashboards tenure.

 

[MargnetMan23]

So, what do you guys think about Meta Ridley? We still haven't gotten a reason why his alt was excluded from the playable demos at all. It probably doesn't mean every character will get more alts, but I would be fine with everyone getting more.

I think all the demo characters only had 8 alts, including Little Mac. So maybe they just didn't include Meta Ridley to keep things nice and standardized? *shrugs*

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Thing is, most of the Pokémon I love from any generation are legendary/mythical, so 9 times out of 10 they’re too OP for something like Smash. Thus I’m doomed to have my favourites go un-added

 

[TechPowah]

That or the Meta Ridley alt wasn't finished enough yet to be playable

 

[Enchess]

So, what do you guys think about Meta Ridley? We still haven't gotten a reason why his alt was excluded from the playable demos at all. It probably doesn't mean every character will get more alts, but I would be fine with everyone getting more.

Maybe the Meta Ridley echo theory is true. Honestly can't say I'd mind one bit having Metroid go from 2 to 5 characters in one game. Metroid is ridiculously influential.

See: 90% of indie games, most of the Castlevania series, and large segments of the speedrunning community

 

[Momotsuki]

So, what do you guys think about Meta Ridley? We still haven't gotten a reason why his alt was excluded from the playable demos at all. It probably doesn't mean every character will get more alts, but I would be fine with everyone getting more.

The most likely explanation is that the alt simply isn't yet presentable at that scale, or at least wasn't during the time the demo was created. I would say some characters are going to get more alts, such as Mario and the aforementioned Ridley, but I wouldn't bank on everyone getting many.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

If we're really going to analyze every word that Sakurai says as direct confirmation that that is it then we need to take into consideration that Sakurai said "the stage total is turning out to be pretty impressive." And "now the total number of stages is 103."

I feel ridiculous saying that but I feel like we're taking everything too literally right now. I dunno, it totally could be the final number but I don't see what good they would do for themselves by locking themselves in a box with a specific stage number that would only allow for characters from already represented franchises to be revealed. Maybe I'm being biased because I want Isaac and Rayman and much more from unrepresented franchises but I think people are reading into this FAR too much.

 

[Gumzilla]

So if this so called "Spirit" mode truly is a story mode, what do you think the main thing is? Why the name Spirit? Is it referring to trophies? Are the trophies haunted all of a sudden?

 

[Impa4Smash]

Watch Meta-Ridley and Alph both be echoes that were teased in plain sight


Still salty about Alph just being an alt...

 

[Luminario]

You know, we talk of Pokemon Gens not mattering to Sakurai, but I feel it's pretty clear here that most people do consider Gens to be important. I mean, how many people here just mentioned that certain Pokemon Gens are currently unrepped? Quite a few of us, and I'm betting it's an opinion shared with many Smash and Pokemon fans.
I'm not gonna bring up the Gardevoir/Gothitelle leak again, but there is logic in assuming we might get a Gen 3 and 5 rep this time around. The ballot might have shown Sakurai that Pokemon Gens do matter to people.

 

[Noipoi]

So if this so called "Spirit" mode truly is a story mode, what do you think the main thing is? Why the name Spirit? Is it referring to trophies? Are the trophies haunted all of a sudden?

Everyone's dead.
You have to use satanic magic to bring them back.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

If we're really going to analyze every word that Sakurai says as direct confirmation that that is it then we need to take into consideration that Sakurai said "the stage total is turning out to be pretty impressive." And "now the total number of stages is 103."

I feel ridiculous saying that but I feel like we're taking everything too literally right now. I dunno, it totally could be the final number but I don't see what good they would do for themselves by locking themselves in a box with a specific stage number that would only allow for characters from already represented franchises to be revealed. Maybe I'm being biased because I want Isaac and Rayman and much more from unrepresented franchises but I think people are reading into this FAR too much.

^ This also

the problem is it's honestly a toss-up. Like, I know we're reading into some hints and they were right, but if we have no more stages, that literally means we're getting no new franchises (unless we get 1-2 without a stage). I'm not saying that we're getting new stages; I'm just saying that until we get more information or an official confirmation, we're literally grasping at straws.

Or hell, at least a leak that says "More stages are coming"

also, for the record, I think we're absolutely done with returning stages.

 

[Enchess]

So if this so called "Spirit" mode truly is a story mode, what do you think the main thing is? Why the name Spirit? Is it referring to trophies? Are the trophies haunted all of a sudden?

I think there's a very real possibility it's a codename and the word doesn't really indicate anything.

If it does mean something, I think the trailers we've had might really be cutscenes and it'll involve bringing characters back to life to unlock them. Probably through an adventure mode style thing where the stages are themed after the villains' series and you fight villains at end of each one

 

[papagenos]

So if this so called "Spirit" mode truly is a story mode, what do you think the main thing is? Why the name Spirit? Is it referring to trophies? Are the trophies haunted all of a sudden?

collect the spirits to bring the trophies back to "life" aka playable.

thatd be my guess but who knows, seems to be a heroes vs villians thing happening to some extent, and it seems boss battles are a big part of some aspect of the game.

 

[Momotsuki]

So if this so called "Spirit" mode truly is a story mode, what do you think the main thing is? Why the name Spirit? Is it referring to trophies? Are the trophies haunted all of a sudden?

This all just pure stabs in the dark on my part, but I personally think that the story of Spirits will involve the original 8 (at first) attempting to obtain the spirits of the rest of the cast by way of challenges, including boss fights such as Dracula and Rathalos. I think this for a few reasons. The first is how Sakurai was very tight-lipped on both the content of Spirits (unfortunately, the censor was insufficient) as well as how you would fight Dracula and Rathalos, which has lead me to believe the two may be connected in some way. I also think it will be how fighters are unlocked because of how a "new, interesting" method of unlocking fighters was mentioned on the June 12th reveal, and the word "recruiting" was specifically used.

 

[Deleted member]

The ballot would have definitely shown Sakurai that Pokemon Gens do matter to people.

Eh....don't count on it.
The most he'd see from the Ballot is that people follow bandwagons for the sake of "completion" (Sceptile) or people like to meme (Magnemite).

 

[Impa4Smash]

This all just pure stabs in the dark on my part, but I personally think that the story of Spirits will involve the original 8 (at first) attempting to obtain the spirits of the rest of the cast by way of challenges, including boss fights such as Dracula and Rathalos. I think this for a few reasons. The first is how Sakurai was very tight-lipped on both the content of Spirits (unfortunately, the censor was insufficient) as well as how you would fight Dracula and Rathalos, which has lead me to believe the two may be connected in some way. I also think it will be how fighters are unlocked because of how a "new, interesting" method of unlocking fighters was mentioned on the June 12th reveal, and the word "recruiting" was specifically used.

This seems very likely to me. It’ll be a story mode but very light on the story. Probably focused more on boss battles and stuff, maybe some platforming like Melee Adventure mode

 

[Gumzilla]

I can honest;y see all stages except Miiverse coming back. Maybe DLC or just not added yet.

 

[Enchess]

This all just pure stabs in the dark on my part, but I personally think that the story of Spirits will involve the original 8 (at first) attempting to obtain the spirits of the rest of the cast by way of challenges, including boss fights such as Dracula and Rathalos. I think this for a few reasons. The first is how Sakurai was very tight-lipped on both the content of Spirits (unfortunately, the censor was insufficient) as well as how you would fight Dracula and Rathalos, which has lead me to believe the two may be connected in some way. I also think it will be how fighters are unlocked because of how a "new, interesting" method of unlocking fighters was mentioned on the June 12th reveal, and the word "recruiting" was specifically used.

What if it's actually not a revamped adventure mode or boss mode as people keep predicting, but a revamped Event Mode, with a lot more involved events like real bosses? That could actually be really interesting and extremely hype worthy for Event Mode fans.

 

[Shroob]

If we're really going to analyze every word that Sakurai says as direct confirmation that that is it then we need to take into consideration that Sakurai said "the stage total is turning out to be pretty impressive." And "now the total number of stages is 103."

I feel ridiculous saying that but I feel like we're taking everything too literally right now. I dunno, it totally could be the final number but I don't see what good they would do for themselves by locking themselves in a box with a specific stage number that would only allow for characters from already represented franchises to be revealed. Maybe I'm being biased because I want Isaac and Rayman and much more from unrepresented franchises but I think people are reading into this FAR too much.

"65 characters!"

Numbers can change from now until launch, this should have been obvious when the website updated after the direct, but people are taking Sakurai's word as the end all be all.


"But Sakurai wouldn't lie"


He's not lying either.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Eh....don't count on it.
The most he'd see from the Ballot is that people follow bandwagons for the sake of completion (Sceptile) or people like to meme (Magnemite).

Hold up. Are you saying playing as Magnemite wouldn’t be fun as hell?

 

[Houndstooth]

Blue is my favorite character but and he really doesn’t become all that cool until later games as he develops as a character as he gets older but I don’t get this whole “generic jerk” thing. He was arrogant and thought he was better than you (Red) despite losing every time but he really wasn’t much of a jerk. Gary from the show was a jerk, but Blue himself more often than not just spouted how good he was, or gave you small tips, and even complemented you when facing him. The biggest jerk move he’s done was telling his sister not to give you a map, which was at the beginning of the game.

Blue in the manga is also pretty cool. It's nice to see a fan of Blue, since most people dislike Gary so much and, well, associate the two as the same. Blue in the manga had a lot of interesting things about him. I liked how the portrayed him in Pokemon: Origins, as well.

That’s why I like a lot about Gen 2.

Looking back at it, the original games are so buggy, broken, and messy as a game that there a bajillion glitches and you can even beat the game with just a single starter Pokémon.

Gen 2 basically was a massive improvement over Gen 1 in terms of programming, design, music, and overall content as it allows you to go through two regions, that I’m surprised isn’t talked a lot about since it shows how Game Freak has grown in such a sort time when it comes to the series.

Bolded what I wanted to discuss. Why isn't this ever brought up about Gen 2? I was super hyped as a kid when I found out I could go back to the Kanto Region! We need more of this in the current games. Gen 8 needs to open up some past regions to explore.

Exhibit A as to why Blastoise is ****ing rad:
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Exhibit B:
Nothing, if Blastoise isn't already your favorite pokemon, I dunno what to do.

Personally, I'm more of a Venusaur fan. But Blastoise, Charizard, and Venusaur are all pretty awesome.

As for Blastoise taking that punch in the face? Epic moment in Origins. I want a new anime with the Pokemon Origins style. Take us through the other gens with the other characters. Highlight the epic moments, just like with Origins. I think that would do so well...

 

[Enchess]

"65 characters!"

Numbers can change from now until launch, this should have been obvious when the website updated after the direct, but people are taking Sakurai's word as the end all be all.


"But Sakurai wouldn't lie"


He's not lying either.

Thanks for doing most of the work on arguing this whenever it comes up haha. Stay strong.

 

[Noipoi]

Hold up. Are you saying playing as Magnemite wouldn’t be fun as hell?

I'd main Magnemite.

 

[Gumzilla]

I think there's a very real possibility it's a codename and the word doesn't really indicate anything.

If it does mean something, I think the trailers we've had might really be cutscenes and it'll involve bringing characters back to life to unlock them. Probably through an adventure mode style thing where the stages are themed after the villains' series and you fight villains at end of each one

Don't the trailers specifically say it isn't game footage?