Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PsychoIncarnate]

You don't know what a slow pokemon game is like until you've tried to surf during diamond and pearl

 

[MysticKnives]

Gen 5 imo.

I also personally liked Sun and Moon's plot.

Gen V is my favorite but I don’t personally find its plot any more engaging not with Gen VII. I do think Gen V had better characters than the other end though.

 

[UltimateWario]

You all need to stop thinking of Pokemon as generational reps. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are not playable because they’re from Gen 1, they’re playable because they’re all incredibly popular, recognizable, and iconic. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are pretty much THE faces of Pokemon.

No Pokemon has ever been added to represent a generation. The newer Pokemon were added to coincide with advertising that the Pokemon Company was doing or planning.

 

[WaxPython]

You literally did. Unless you mean a second Red and Blue remake, because we sure as **** don't have enough Kanto after a ****ton of megas, the Kanto starters in XY and Alolan Pokemon being Kanto only and Let's Go.

I'll admit I have no interest in the remakes. And I thought like the first gen 1 remakes on GBA which I've played they would be keeping Blue.

Let's Go is shaping up to be a dreadful game absolutely dreadful, no battling Pokemon, kiddified holding your hand tone again, but all the same, Nintendo wants to sell the games and generate hype.

We already have Red and as he's not the playable character in the remakes the only rival that would make sense is Blue. Moreover Red and Lief are from the Pokemon Firered remakes and Blue is still the rival in that series.

 

[P.Kat]

Who would you pick from gen 3?
I’d be all about the Sableye.

Gardevoir would be my choice.

 

[TheGoobster]

Who would you pick from gen 3?
I’d be all about the Sableye.

Zangoose is the only viable option.

 

[Shroob]

Every time a gen 1 hater hates on gen 1 my love for gen 1 grows more absolute.

I don't hate Gen1, but if you asked me to sit down and play Red or Ruby from start to finish, I'd pick Ruby 100% of the time. Gen1 just isn't enjoyable to me with how dated it feels, which is really odd because I love a lot of older games like Kirby's Adventure or Mario Land 2... I just don't feel like Gen1 holds up.


Now FireRed/LeafGreen are great remakes IMO and fix most of the 'oldness' the game has.

 

[RandomAce]

Gen 5 imo.

I also personally liked Sun and Moon's plot.

It’s one of the few generations where the human characters are as likeable and as centerpoint as the Pokémon, which is what makes Gen 5 unique and special.

Though there are a lot of glaring Pokémon from that generation, but there are a couple that I really like.

 

[MysticKnives]

Breloom would be my choice for Gen III rep easily.

 

[Deathcarter]

As someone who's favorite gen is V, I don't actually care about having a playable Unova rep. I'm fond of plenty of Unova mons but none of the ones I like scream Smash roster material. Really, Unova Pokémon League returning in glorious HD has me satisfied with gen V representation...

…now Hoenn representation on the other hand is ****ing woeful. That gen needs either a rep or a stage posthaste!

 

[osby]

Who would you pick from gen 3?
I’d be all about the Sableye.

Skitty, Beautifly, Kirlia, Metagross...

Oh, wait, you mean as a fighter. Deoxys.

 

[Enchess]

If we got Meloetta as a Gen V newcomer what would be your reaction?

That sounds great. I was having an IRL hypothetical conversation about which Octopath character would add the most to Smash gameplay-wise and I thought a dancer might really create a cool playstyle. Meloetta could fill a lot of that while also doing some other cool music themed stuff.

 

[MysticKnives]

I’d love to have a remix of Iris’ theme or Blue’s Theme in Smash.

 

[Gumzilla]

Every time a gen 1 hater hates on gen 1 my love for gen 1 grows more absolute.

For the most part it isn't the gen itself. It's the genwunners. I like gen 1 (after all it's where my second favorite pokemon comes from!) but I prefer 3 and 5. I just get tired of the over saturation of gen 1 and how genwunners treat it like the perfect game when it obviously has flaws just like every game.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Who would you pick from gen 3?
I’d be all about the Sableye.

I'd take anyone honestly. All the starters are great. I've always loved Gardevoir too. I never thought about Sableye but that'd be an interesting concept for a fighter.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The moral of the story is that 6 is a bigger number than 0 and something should be done to make the difference smaller

 

[P.Kat]

That sounds great. I was having an IRL hypothetical conversation about which Octopath character would add the most to Smash gameplay-wise and I thought a dancer might really create a cool playstyle. Meloetta could fill a lot of that while also doing some other cool music themed stuff.

She could also switch stance to from long range to close combat. Come to think of it we haven't seen Pokéball Meloetta, it's a small chance but if Sakurai added her to the game, He'd hear no complaints from me.

 

[Idon]

The moral of the story is that 6 is a bigger number than 0 and something should be done to make the difference smaller

Subtract 6.
No pokemon is represented, and yet, all are equal.
Everyone wins.

 

[WaxPython]

You all need to stop thinking of Pokemon as generational reps. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are not playable because they’re from Gen 1, they’re playable because they’re all incredibly popular, recognizable, and iconic. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are pretty much THE faces of Pokemon.

No Pokemon has ever been added to represent a generation. The newer Pokemon were added to coincide with advertising that the Pokemon Company was doing or planning.

Yeah that's exactly right.

Generations shouldn't be a free ticket for representation they should mean nothing. It's all about the Pokemon being judged on their own merits.

 

[Radical Bones]

Plusle and Minum as a throwback to Brawl.

But seriously? Metagross would be super cool as a playable character, but I think I'll be boring and go with the general consensus and one of my favourite Pokemon, Sceptile.

 

[DarkFalcon]

You all need to stop thinking of Pokemon as generational reps. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are not playable because they’re from Gen 1, they’re playable because they’re all incredibly popular, recognizable, and iconic. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are pretty much THE faces of Pokemon.

No Pokemon has ever been added to represent a generation. The newer Pokemon were added to coincide with advertising that the Pokemon Company was doing or planning.

I want a gen 3 Pokemon because I love Gen 3. Nothing more, nothing less. It's about the only generation of Pokemon that'd excite me with a new fighter that I can think of.

 

[RandomAce]

You all need to stop thinking of Pokemon as generational reps. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are not playable because they’re from Gen 1, they’re playable because they’re all incredibly popular, recognizable, and iconic. Pikachu, Charizard, and Mewtwo are pretty much THE faces of Pokemon.

No Pokemon has ever been added to represent a generation. The newer Pokemon were added to coincide with advertising that the Pokemon Company was doing or planning.

I agree but there are still a lot of Pokémon from other generations that are very popular and would work well and have their own merits for inclusion as well.

That’s how I look at it.

 

[Iridium]

A Gen V rep is needed and then I'll be happy with non-gen 1 representation and we can talk about gen 1 after.

I'll give Haxorus a chance then.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

I thought we were supposed to get 4 more non-echoes based on Vergeben or something? I remember it being something like 6 newcomers after Inkling/Ridley and we have Simon and K.Rool as two of them so four more... I don't really remember which things are which from which leaks, but I remember that number coming from someone who didn't seem completely false and it's about in line with what makes sense. I could totally believe that Amazon posted sales information too early like that. It's pretty interesting.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Subtract 6.
No pokemon is represented, and yet, all are equal.
Everyone wins.

As much as I **** on Kanto, no Kanto mons in a game with Pichu, Lucario and Greninja wouldn't feel right

 

[Shroob]

I thought we were supposed to get 4 more non-echoes based on Vergeben or something? I remember it being something like 6 newcomers after Inkling/Ridley and we have Simon and K.Rool as two of them so four more... I don't really remember which things are which from which leaks, but I remember that number coming from someone who didn't seem completely false and it's about in line with what makes sense. I could totally believe that Amazon posted sales information too early like that. It's pretty interesting.

Nah, they just count Trainer as 1 and Echoes as separate fighters.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Here's my guesses

Geno
Skull Kid
Isaac
Banjo Kazooie

Dixie
Isabelle

 

[Enchess]

Yeah that's exactly right.

Generations shouldn't be a free ticket for representation they should mean nothing. It's all about the Pokemon being judged on their own merits.

Are you sure you wanna go down that road? I get the feeling most here would argue there's way more Pokemon worthy on their own merits outside of Gen1 than within.

Although on subject of deserving Pokemon ignoring whether gen is represented, I think Meganium would actually be a lot of fun. But I am partial to the idea of a quadrupedal fighter.

 

[Idon]

Exhibit A as to why Blastoise is ****ing rad:

Exhibit B:
Nothing, if Blastoise isn't already your favorite pokemon, I dunno what to do.

 

[Gumzilla]

I'll be honest I'll be a little hypocritical if Beedrill is added. That is the only gen 1 pokemon I want other than Blastoise but I'm fine with him being left out.

 

[TheGoobster]

Here's my guesses

Geno
Skull Kid
Isaac
Banjo Kazooie

Dixie
Isabelle

Really good list. Been wanting for Geno since brawl.
Prof. Layton is still my number 1 pick though.

 

[MBRedboy31]

I mean... one thing about the whole Pokemon generational thing is that, don't we also have to look at it from the perspective of very young fans who wouldn't have started with Gen 1 and thus have extreme nostalgia for another Gen? People are going to have nostalgia for whatever they started with.

Of course, though, then again... with Game Freak's current plan, it seems like they want to make everyone be nostalgic for Gen 1 even if they're just playing Pokemon for the first time now in Gen 7, which honestly makes it easier for TPC to make merch and makes it easier for Sakurai to represent people's nostalgia, so there's more practicality in it than you'd think?

 

[MargnetMan23]

Clearly Wurmple or Spheal as a jigglypuff echo are the only viable options for gen 3

 

[Iridium]

Exhibit A as to why Blastoise is ****ing rad:
View attachment 157916
Exhibit B:
Nothing, if Blastoise isn't already your favorite pokemon, I dunno what to do.

Well, Yveltal is my favorite Pokémon. Taking lives to replenish itself is . . . interesting.

 

[Enchess]

Exhibit A as to why Blastoise is ****ing rad:
View attachment 157916
Exhibit B:
Nothing, if Blastoise isn't already your favorite pokemon, I dunno what to do.

I've always hated Blastoise because I love Wartortle so much and Blastoise is the Pokemon that takes it away (and who am I to deny my Pokemon a chance to grow?). That's awesome though and I can't think of anything bad to say about Blastoise that's not "it's not Wartortle"

 

[Nethermoosen]

I'd take anyone honestly. All the starters are great. I've always loved Gardevoir too. I never thought about Sableye but that'd be an interesting concept for a fighter.

He was just my fav in my gen 3 team. I’m surprised others mentioned the other Pokémon in my gen 3 team. Breloom and Zangoose. For some reason I always liked Grovyle over Sceptile.

But I wouldn’t want a Pokémon for gens or popularity. I’d want a new Pokémon for a unique typing compared to our current Pokémon smash reps. Even more importantly, I’d love a unique playstyle compared to any other smash fighter.

When I think unique playstyle, I think about Aegislash, Trevanant, hitmontop, Mr. Mime(invisible wall miming?), Muk, Golem, Scolipede.

There are so many weird abilities, movesets and body types that could make really interesting new fighters. It’s insane to me that only Ivysaur seems to fill the role of most unique with so many choices throughout each generation.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

I love the Gen V games, but seriously I'm struggling to think of more than 3 potential playable candidates from them. The designs are so out there on a lot of them, and Gen V also has some of the most forgettable pokemon from the entire series. Anyone remember Elgyem, Maractus, and Heatmor?

Now Gen 3 on the other hand, has tons of viable options imo.

 

[Nintendotard]

What's everyones opinion on people thinking that the 103 stages we have now are the only stages we're getting ?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Exhibit A as to why Blastoise is ****ing rad:
View attachment 157916
Exhibit B:
Nothing, if Blastoise isn't already your favorite pokemon, I dunno what to do.

Exhibit C: he has the best ****ing nickname in the first movie. Shellshocker. Bad ass name dude.

 

[Mc.Rad]

What if the new Pokemon Rep is a pokemon trainer echo with pokemon from a different gen?