Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Loz said the Goku thing was bullcrap

 

[Zinith]

My boss predictions for spirits mode:
- Dracula (confirmed)
- Rathalos (confirmed)
- Yellow Devil
- Petey Piranha
- Porky
- Metal Face
- Zygarde complete form
- Nightmare or Dark Matter or Magalor
- Dr Eggman - "GET A LOAD OF THIS"
- Tabuu

I'd like to add Raphael the Raven to that prediction...

 

[Jetsurge]

I'm not quite sure how Skull Kid would work as a character... surely the moon would be his final smash, but that's already been confirmed as an assist trophy...

Honestly, I think the moment that AT was revealed, he was deconfirmed

Spoiler: This is going to be his final smash

 

[RandomAce]

He does, otherwise he'd be RIDICULOUSLY lucky. This fanbase already believes predicting Wii Fit Trainer and everything else was just a lucky guess but it's a repeat of that it seems, where it's unrealistically lucky if it's actually guesses

I do think he has genuine information, but similar to Gematsu, there is some incorrect information that and along with how Nintendo is treating leaks, the chances for incorrect information seems to rise dramatically.

 

[Kuon]

Wait people are actually saying Loz deleting his account deconfirms Skull Kid? I guess if you just wanted to ignore literally everything else then yeah he's deconfirmed.

I thought that it supports the rumor that Skull Kid is in honestly, since I don't think he would delete his account unless he got in trouble or his sources got in trouble.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Venus in 2007-2016...

While I know this thread means well, it has a very "I'm right, your wrong" mentality. Yes, I tend to go into a blood rage when I see people include Goku or Cloud into rosters and seriously consider them as a contender for a character slot. However, instead of attacking them for their idocy, why not just let it go and let them fantasize about it? People are free to speculate; even if that speculation leads to outrageous results.

It's personal but I am open to criticism. I added characters that I can personally see being in SSB4. Doesn't mean I think they will make it. Hell, I think half of my roster is pretty much impossible but I think they would make good additions. I guess what I am trying to say is that: I ****ing hate rosters with Cloud/Knuckles/Master Chief/Goku/Naruto/Ichigo/everyone character in the gaming industry/etc. I want to differentiate my personal roster from those type of wish-list rosters.

Venus now...

I am actually open to non-conventional characters such as Master Chief, Scorpion, Nightmare (SoulCalibur), Son Goku, and strangely enough, StarKiller from Force Unleashed appearing in smash. Having Cloud, Ryu, and Bayonetta I’m changed who I thought couldn’t fit into Smash. I was probably one of those people who was like “no way! Cloud is a Sony character. Capcom and Sega doesn’t get two reps. Bayonetta comes from a rated M series”. Yet they were added in and both them and their franchises fit and look great in Smash. I’d like to these those aforementioned characters and their franchises represented in Smash and see how it works.

Top 20 I would include if I was in charge for Smash Switch? Sure, I’ll make a list.

1. Ridley
2. Banjo-Kazooie
3. Impa (Mix between HW and SS)
4. Skull Kid
5. Dixie Kong
6. King K Rool
7. Elma
8. Fighter Hayabusa
9. Decidueye
10. Chrono (Chrono Trigger)
11. Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
12. Isabelle
13. Master Chief
14. Shovel Knight
15. Jack (Harvest Moon)
16. Isaac (Golden Sun)
17. Talion (Shadow of Mordor)
18. Wolf
19. Tali vas Normandy (Mass Effect) Mach Rider
20. Son Goku (DBZ)

And now a full supporter of both Master Chief and Goku. And Cloud is a character.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I had a thought recently, It kinda seems like the new villians in Smash Ultimate kind of have their own veteran villain counterpart that have simular traits to them. Ridley has Bowser because they're both monstrous and they have a unrefined fighting style. Then Dedede has K.Rool since both are royalty, based off of animals who live both on land and in water, and are goofy in appearance and manner. This leaves Ganondorf, who's refined but cruel, power hungry, possess dark energy, intimidating, and has a cape...


You already know who I'm going to say though, so who else but Deathborn would you think it would be given this?

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

I'm not quite sure how Skull Kid would work as a character... surely the moon would be his final smash, but that's already been confirmed as an assist trophy...

Honestly, I think the moment that AT was revealed, he was deconfirmed

Majora’s Wrath works as a Final Smash

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I'd like to add Raphael the Raven to that prediction...

Screw that, give me Naval Piranha
that boss intro still gives me chills...

 

[Nazyrus]

Loz said the Goku thing was bullcrap

Of course it was. I don't see anytime soon, maybe not even in this lifetime, Sakurai actually putting him in. lol

Don't see why it can't be a FS, but work differently then the AT.


Riki's an AT but shows up in Shulk's FS.

Or he turns into majora's wrath and causes havoc with the whips… I don't know why people in general keep ignoring all the stuff Majora's Mask actually is and does, lol

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Honestly I wouldn't rely solely on a leaker. That's just unhealthy.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hmm... I really don't want to believe him, but I may have to. His sources probably aren't 100% correct on their info though, since he's gotten some stuff wrong

Oh, we already know he isn't 100% right, when Nintendo confirmed the direct was on the 8th, Loz told us that the info he talked about for a direct is probably fake because he was told it was on the 12th

 

[Shroob]

Of course it was. I don't see anytime soon, maybe not even in this lifetime, Sakurai actually putting him in. lol




Or he turns into majora's wrath and causes havoc with the whips… I don't know why people in general keep ignoring all the stuff Majora's Mask actually is and does, lol

Well probably because Skull Kid never turned into Majora in his game.

The body of Majora came out of the back of the back, with all the tentacles. Skull Kid never 'turned into' him. That's why.

 

[Enchess]

What makes you think it's not worth it?

If we don't know if he got attacked by Nintendo Ninjas because of real or fake info fed to him, we don't know whether to believe his info regardless of if his source is real.

I'm not trying to shutdown speculation btw. I meant it more as my personal opinion. Everyone should keep speculating about this if it makes things more fun right now.

 

[Zinith]

Screw that, give me Naval Piranha
that boss intro still gives me chills...

Since he had Petey Piranha on that list, I excluded him for redundancy's sake. Though I agree about Naval Piranha.

If there was a way to prematurely end the boss intentionally just like in Yoshi's Island, all the better...

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Of course it was. I don't see anytime soon, maybe not even in this lifetime, Sakurai actually putting him in. lol




Or he turns into majora's wrath and causes havoc with the whips… I don't know why people in general keep ignoring all the stuff Majora's Mask actually is and does, lol

Thank you! I don't know why people insist on acting like Majora itself isn't a thing.

 

[Nazyrus]

Well probably because Skull Kid never turned into Majora in his game.

The body of Majora came out of the back of the back, with all the tentacles. Skull Kid never 'turned into' him. That's why.

Doesn't mean Sakurai can't make it happen in this version. After all we are talking about the "mask" which Skull kid is wearing. It can suddendly drop Skull kid's body on the ground and the Mask just starts doing crazy **** on the screen. None of it is hard to come up with, therefore I know Sakurai can come up with something just as cool or better.

 

[Iridium]

Imagine if the only reason Skull Kid hasn't appeared yet was because he's only in Young Link's Final Smash. Ouch to the supporters if that ever happens.

 

[Shroob]

Doesn't mean Sakurai can't make it happen in this version. After all we are talking about the "mask" which Skull kid is wearing. It can suddendly drop Skull kid's body on the ground and the Mask just starts doing crazy **** on the screen. None of it is hard to come up with, therefore I know Sakurai can come up with something just as cool or better.

But Final Smashes are now more cinematic and have to get to the punch.

This sounds fine for a Smash4 FS, but the way people describe it just sounds like another DK/Little Mac style.

 

[Nazyrus]

Imagine if the only reason Skull Kid hasn't appeared yet was because he's only in Young Link's Final Smash. Ouch to the supporters if that ever happens.

That thought came into my mind… but how would that even work anyway? A hero and villain form some kind of attack in final smash? That just sounds weird to me.

 

[RandomAce]

I'm aware. I read through all his twitter posts.

He's still actively talking about the leak. Whoever "found him out" isn't in a position to tell him to stop. That's why I suggested earlier he was likely doxxed by another Gamefaqs user and shut the account down to make it more difficult for others to do the same.

That certainly is possible.

Though with what has been happening recently there are many ways he could’ve been figured out and he is trying to avoid getting caught.

All of these signs certainly means to me that he is walking on thin ice right now.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Imagine if the only reason Skull Kid hasn't appeared yet was because he's only in Young Link's Final Smash. Ouch to the supporters if that ever happens.

I would listen to that one Roblox sound effect till the end of time

 

[Nazyrus]

But Final Smashes are now more cinematic and have to get to the punch.

This sounds fine for a Smash4 FS, but the way people describe it just sounds like another DK/Little Mac style.

Hence why I say Sakurai can come up with something better than what we can think of already.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Imagine if the only reason Skull Kid hasn't appeared yet was because he's only in Young Link's Final Smash. Ouch to the supporters if that ever happens.

That could... make sense...

I mean the Majora Wrath's explanation is a lot more solid, but then again... Skull Kid is known for dropping moons on folks... It be weird to see him without his Creepy Moon

 

[Kuon]

If we don't know if he got attacked by Nintendo Ninjas because of real or fake info fed to him, we don't know whether to believe his info regardless of if his source is real.

I'm not trying to shutdown speculation btw. I meant it more as my personal opinion. Everyone should keep speculating about this if it makes things more fun right now.

Well, I've already said how I feel about Vergeben and loz18, but the fact that neither of them have been proven fake yet after all this time means they're probably both real. After all, most leakers get debunked the day they start posting "leaks".

 

[Nethermoosen]

Well probably because Skull Kid never turned into Majora in his game.

The body of Majora came out of the back of the back, with all the tentacles. Skull Kid never 'turned into' him. That's why.

And that makes a difference how? The mask can come off of him and wreak havoc for a second. Then clamp back onto his face.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

But Final Smashes are now more cinematic and have to get to the punch.

This sounds fine for a Smash4 FS, but the way people describe it just sounds like another DK/Little Mac style.

I mean tbf you can have Skull Kid just scream and anyone hit by the blast gets attacked by a disturbingly good model of Majora's Wrath before a first person view of it doing scary attacks like Nemesis' level 3 in MvC

 

[Iridium]

Imagine if the only reason Skull Kid hasn't appeared yet was because he's only in Young Link's Final Smash. Ouch to the supporters if that ever happens.

You can interpret this in two ways: either he gets a big role, or just a cameo. Not sure if this would change minds, but it's up to you all to think of how to feel.

 

[Deleted member]

To be honest, I always thought Skull Kid’s chances ironically went even lower thanks to the moon.

It’s supposed to be a pretty obvious Final Smash for him ain’t it?

Just as it was obviously what he would do as an Assist, but look how that turned out.


Realtalk, for everyone who says the Moon disconfirms Skull Kid.

a. There is more than one option for Skull Kid's Final Smash other than the Moon. Just because literally one option that you think would be the "best" one is gone doesn't mean the other options (i.e. Majora's Wrath) aren't available.

b. The Moon could *still* be part of his Final Smash anyway. Just in a special cinematic finish. It's not like we haven't had an Assist featured in someone's Final Smash before....

 

[Shroob]

And that makes a difference how? The mask can come off of him and wreak havoc for a second. Then clamp back onto his face.

I just find the concept hella lame to be frank.

Skull Kid's most iconic thing is 'the moon'. To not let him have The Moon, and just turn his FS into another "Rushdown of punches" is lame and doesn't fit the character.


If this was Smash4, having Majora come out as a controllable superunit would be amazing, but now it's meh.

 

[Nazyrus]

That could... make sense...

I mean the Majora Wrath's explanation is a lot more solid, but then again... Skull Kid is known for dropping moons on folks... It be weird to see him without his Creepy Moon

Sakurai could do something unique and maybe Skull kid brings in the moon, it swallows you (the viewer) and then the backround of the stage is all trippy (like the majora's mask boss room in the original game or something), and then Majora's wrath (or its floating mask with tentacles version, whichever) perform some flashy crazy attack on everyone or whoever it hits. I mean ideas can just keep popping up and I might never nail what Sakurai is actually capable of, he is a genius after all.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

I just find the concept hella lame to be frank.

Skull Kid's most iconic thing is 'the moon'. To not let him have The Moon, and just turn his FS into another "Rushdown of punches" is lame and doesn't fit the character.


If this was Smash4, having Majora come out as a controllable superunit would be amazing, but now it's meh.

But we don't know how Sakurai would even handle it. Your imagination isn't a copy of Sakurai's.

 

[Enchess]

That could... make sense...

I mean the Majora Wrath's explanation is a lot more solid, but then again... Skull Kid is known for dropping moons on folks... It be weird to see him without his Creepy Moon

Maybe YL's FS has Fierce Diety and Majora's Wrath fighting with characters caught in the middle. I could see that being a good FS for him and would make a Skull Kid AT a little awkward to keep because Majora would be present in FS even if SK wasn't.

Well, I've already said how I feel about Vergeben and loz18, but the fact that neither of them have been proven fake yet after all this time means they're probably both real. After all, most leakers get debunked the day they start posting "leaks".

I think loz18 is real. I just don't know whether his more recent, yet to be seen stuff is real or fake stuff fed by Nintendo to smoke out the leaker. It's hard to speculate when the possibility of Nintendo purposefully giving him wrong information is in the the air. That's why I personally am not gonna bother with it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sakurai could do something unique and maybe Skull kid brings in the moon, it swallows you (the viewer) and then the backround of the stage is all trippy (like the majora's mask boss room in the original game or something), and then Majora's wrath (or its floating mask with tentacles version, whichever) perform some flashy crazy attack on everyone or whoever it hits. I mean ideas can just keep popping up and I might never nail what Sakurai is actually capable of, he is a genius after all.

There's a problem with combining the moon and that tbh. Build up. You just dropped the ****ing MOON on people, any attack with Majora's forms afterwards is going to look boring by default because it came after that. Unless of course, Majora's Wrath attacks and THEN the moon gets dropped. Sure, it's not exactly how it happened but that'd fix the issue

 

[Nethermoosen]

You can interpret this in two ways: either he gets a big role, or just a cameo. Not sure if this would change minds, but it's up to you all to think of how to feel.

Seems like he’s either a boss or a character

I just find the concept hella lame to be frank.

Skull Kid's most iconic thing is 'the moon'. To not let him have The Moon, and just turn his FS into another "Rushdown of punches" is lame and doesn't fit the character.


If this was Smash4, having Majora come out as a controllable superunit would be amazing, but now it's meh.[/

I just find the concept hella lame to be frank.

Skull Kid's most iconic thing is 'the moon'. To not let him have The Moon, and just turn his FS into another "Rushdown of punches" is lame and doesn't fit the character.


If this was Smash4, having Majora come out as a controllable superunit would be amazing, but now it's meh.

Lame doesn’t mean unlikely though. There are a ton of lame Final smashes. And Majora can control the other 4 boss masks of Termina, which could end up in a short cinematic of the bosses being unleashed breifly or beams. Or combinations. Also, could just be a Tatl and Tael tag team for giggles.

Link never had a “triforce rushdown Attack” and nothing is more lame than Zelda Omnislash to me.

But what does fit the character is the true main asset of Skull Kid. The mask.

 

[Kuon]

Congrats on being the 123,456th post.

Oh thanks! I didn't even notice that until just now Well, let me rephrase that. I noticed that you congratulated me with this tweet before now, but I thought that you were joking. I didn't notice that I was really the 123,456 poster on this thread until just now.

 

[Shroob]

But we don't know how Sakurai would even handle it. Your imagination isn't a copy of Sakurai's.

Lemme put it this way.

Ganon is to Ganondorf as The Moon is to Skull Kid.

I'm not pissing on Majora, but the two most iconic imagery of Majora's Mask is the Mask itself, and the face on the Moon.


I don't believe that The Moon can't be an AT and FS, but work differently, but if Skull Kid's in, I'd want The Moon to be his FS.


Imagine if Ganonondorf's FS had been summoning the ghost riders from Twilight Princess, it's nowhere near as iconic as Pig Ganon.

 

[Kuon]

Maybe YL's FS has Fierce Diety and Majora's Wrath fighting with characters caught in the middle. I could see that being a good FS for him and would make a Skull Kid AT a little awkward to keep because Majora would be present in FS even if SK wasn't.

I think loz18 is real. I just don't know whether his more recent, yet to be seen stuff is real or fake stuff fed by Nintendo to smoke out the leaker. It's hard to speculate when the possibility of Nintendo purposefully giving him wrong information is in the the air. That's why I personally am not gonna bother with it.

True. It just seems so weird to me that if both Vergeben and loz18 are real, you'd think that they'd be getting roughly the same info, but they've been hearing different things about certain characters

 

[UltimateWario]

I’m honestly a bit skeptical that Young Link will have a Majora’s Mask-related Final Smash when Sakurai strangely chose to forgo any of the visual changes Majora’s Mask made to the character.

I foresee another Triforce Slash in the future.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Lemme put it this way.

Ganon is to Ganondorf as The Moon is to Skull Kid.

I'm not pissing on Majora, but the two most iconic imagery of Majora's Mask is the Mask itself, and the face on the Moon.


I don't believe that The Moon can't be an AT and FS, but work differently, but if Skull Kid's in, I'd want The Moon to be his FS.


Imagine if Ganonondorf's FS had been summoning the ghost riders from Twilight Princess, it's nowhere near as iconic as Pig Ganon.

But Ganon actually uses that in a fight. Majora never used the moon in a fight. It was just the condition of the game.

I would prefer the moon be his fs, too, but it doesn’t make him less likely to me.