Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Roberk]

It's weird though. Loz18 was a 12-year-old account. You wouldn't just delete that for memes (I hope). I don't think he hated us/Smash speculation either. Something is happening here...

 

[Nethermoosen]

Black Shadow for Ganondorf.

Go full circle.

If so, let’s hope it’s not as demoralizing as falcondorf.

 

[Nazyrus]

If loz18 was taken down by the Ninteninjas, I'd say Skull Kid's chances just rose significantly. Why else would his account get forcibly taken down?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Enchess]

If so, let’s hope it’s not as demoralizing as falcondorf.

Imagine Black Shadow gets in, but is a Falcondorf-style clone of a character from a completely different series, like Little Mac.

 

[Aaron1997]

Sorry ya'll. I've been gone doing college ****. This first week has been much busier than I expected, but I should have more time for speculation come next week. Did I miss anything significant?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76899877

One thing you missed out on. Everyone lost its mind since it guessed everything that's been confirmed already. It was proven Fake soon after. (The domain was made the day before.

 

[WertQuadNine]

Okay, so Loz deleted their account? Is that all? Or did he leak something new?

 

[Nethermoosen]

Imagine Black Shadow gets in, but is a Falcondorf-style clone of a character from a completely different series, like Little Mac.

Black Shadow, Jigglypuff’s hardcore echo.

 

[Kuon]

So Loz18 is officially out of the speculation race... This does not bode well for Skull Kid in the speculation circle.

What makes you say that?

 

[Arcanir]

According to MeepleLardicle, who from what I've seen is one of the most trustworthy users on the site, Loz18 moved to a Twitter Account. You can see the image from his PM in this post verifying it (direct image).

He hasn't said much else, but his most recent post states that he thinks Skull Kid is absolutely in the game with a high chance of being playable.

 

[Zinith]

Imagine Black Shadow gets in, but is a Falcondorf-style clone of a character from a completely different series, like Little Mac.

Black Shadow, more popular then the character he's an echo of...


Rosalina

 

[papagenos]

loz18 shutting down his account does nothing to skull kids chances, except the slight possibility nintendo made him shut it down. no way that happened though, if by some extreme off chance it did it would just raise his chances significantly so nothing here lowers skull kids chances.

skull kids chances are already super high even without loz18 i think his leak just made everyone notice the character even more (i think we've been conditioned to not expect new zelda reps that arent versions of existing ones).

 

[KMDP]

If so, let’s hope it’s not as demoralizing as falcondorf.

Really, they should have Black Shadow use Ganondorf as a base (for weight and speed values, and the like), and then have Captain Falcon's moveset ported onto him.

That way, people who like the Falcondorf playstyle can have the Falcondorf playstyle in Black Shadow, while the people who like the new, more unique Ganondorf get a more unique Ganondorf.

In fact, this might even be why Sakurai decided to finally give Ganondorf a sword; because Black Shadow has the full-Falcon-copy moveset now, and Sakurai feels it's safe to stray further from CF's mold with Ganondorf.

We all know how much Sakurai dislikes alienating fans of movesets.

 

[HyruleHero]

Okay I have a dumb game, but pretend it's like a good luck charm for your picks to get into this game.

For every newcomer you want, you must put in at least 3 and at most 7 hot takes/unpopular opinions about them or the series that they come from. Like not really what you hate about them, but what you think about them that other people would disagree with mostly. It could be "I see X as A instead of as B because I think A is more interesting than B". It can also be "I think fans of X should do B instead of A" and "I like X but I think that A is a huge problem about it."

Spoiler: My takes

Deathborn:
1. I think that GX's more campy and goofy story fits the F-Zero universe a lot more than a more serious take. We already have two serious series about space hunters, so I think it's ok for the racing game to be a lot more playful
2. I do believe that Deathborn is a better rival for Falcon, not because of his prominence in the story, but because of his more interesting goals and how he fits more into the way I see F-Zero should be taken. Besides, I'd also say that Don Genie would be better than Black Shadow because he's a major player in a lot of things and I think that seeing a lone bounty hunter try to take on a fat cat mafiosa would be cooler to see.
3. While I do love GX and consider it the best, what it did to almost every female character was a mistake. Jody was made to be less cool looking and more softer, they literally redesigned Kate Alen to have only her vest and a orange thong on, Princess Ramode's story is literally she's a ******* and her machine is designed to make sure she has no chance of dying in the race. Lily Flyer does have a really interesting story about how she's a child solider... but her design is really bad.
4. Goroh is popular, but I think him being an assist trophy is better for him. He's kind of a jobber villain and I think an assist trophy captures that very well
5. I'm not the biggest fan of the anime, because of how they treated the villains. They were given really free reign on how to write them, but the problem was that instead of trying to make the 3 biggest villains have an interesting connection and relationship with each other, they threw a twist that Black Shadow was all of them. It really defeats a lot of the purpose some villains had and there were more interesting avenues for them to explore.
6. The twist in the Anime where Zoda was Rick Wheeler's friend was super dumb. I'm just going to be blunt about that. It's... pretty bad
7. For all the love that Falcon gets, I think that people should be playing F-Zero more. It's honestly a great franchise and its great for people who complain about Mario Kart being broken because it gets to show you how actually bad you are.

Chibi Robo:
1. Chibi Robo should have never tried to stray from the original game. Especially nowadays, where dialogue heavy games like NITW and others are popular. I think if it had come out later, it would have gotten a lot more attention and love.
2. Chibi Robo is cuter than Kirby and I am not taking that statement back
3. I do think that Chibi Robo could've been something like Animal Crossing, but I'm honestly not sure why it didn't. I don't really like how Animal Crossing's progression works and I think that Chibi Robo's progression is a lot better for Casual players.

Mike Jones:
1. Mike Jones should have totally gotten in over Duck Hunt, actually... a lot of people should have gotten in over Duck Hunt imo
2. Startropics does need some more love because it actually has a lot of charm for a NES game.
3. Out of every dead NES franchise... I think Startropics is the one that deserves a revival out of all of them.
4. The lack of any Startropics music in Smash Bros is criminal and I would sue Sakurai for denying us of a remix if it were a thing

Eggman:
1. Mike Pollac is the best Eggman next to the AOSTH VA. They give a grandiose jerk sort of vibe to him that I love him for.
2. Eggman was always meant to be a more comedic villain and even though I do kind of like seeing him to more evil stuff, I think that a guy called "Eggman" wouldn't be super serious 100% of the time.
3. Sonic 3 honestly had some bad level design. A lot of gimmicks were poorly implemented and Ice Cap Zone Act 1 is my least favorite level.
4. A lot of people say that Classic Sonic's music is the worst in Forces, but it's honestly Modern Sonic's... the amount of Synth in those levels are illegal.
5. He's Eggman not Dr.Robotnik... Dr.Robotnik sounds dumber

Porky:
1. Mother 3 was kind of too much of a tonal shift for me. It works better as a seperate game instead of a sequel to Mother.
2. Mother 3 did however fix a lot of things that Earthbound didn't... and it honestly deserves a lot of praise for that alone...
3. I think that there's literally no existing thing of Mother 64 left and even if the Nintendo 64 Classic Edition were a thing... it wouldn't be one of those games, probably it would go for the Mario Artist games or the F-Zero X expansion or Doshin the Giant.

Geno:
1. Super Mario RPG is one of those games that's in a weird limbo spot in terms of popularity... I honestly think it's time for it to get out of that spot.
2. Super Mario RPG is one of the few Mario games to create new characters for it and honestly it shows that a new Mario Character for a game is anything but a horrible ideal.
3. Geno is one of the few popular characters I would love to see in...

Okay this looks like fun

Spoiler: My Take

Sora (Kingdom Hearts):
1. although game is made by square enix Sora is owned by Disney and they are not as restrictive of him as some may think.
2. the music in Kingdom Hearts is dope and deserves to be in smash bros.
3. is more relevant than other square characters (Geno) and is from a more popular worldwide game than dragon quest
4. Sora/Kingdom Hearts has had a large history with nintendo appearing on the gameboy, DS and 3DS.
5. he also has great moveset potential.

Banjo and Kazooie:
1. Huge history with Nintendo being (at least in my opinion) the best collectathon out of all the N64 games
2. with King K. Rool being in the game (although not owned by rare) gave dem old rare vibes which is cool
3. Phil Spencer from Microsoft said himself that he would be okay with Banjo and Kazooie to appear in smash bros.
4. He was originally planned (or rumoured i dont remember) to be in smash melee before rare was sold by nintendo
5. although may have no direct link, its B&K 20th anniversary this year and I think they deserve some recognition this year by returning to there old company and representing microsoft as a game company.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's weird though. Loz18 was a 12-year-old account. You wouldn't just delete that for memes (I hope). I don't think he hated us/Smash speculation either. Something is happening here...

I'm pretty sure he'll learn to hate the Smash fanbase if he's wrong on even a single thing, this is the fanbase which has a large amount of people who think the Gematsu leak was never real but just lucky guesses, and it's part of the Nintendo fanbase, which has a similar amount of people who harassed Laura Kate Dale (threatening her life, being transphobic towards her, etc.) because she wasn't 100% right on some Switch stuff she leaked even when she said she had multiple sources with varying degrees of credibility

 

[WingedSupernova]

Looks like loz18 is also saying that Dixie has a "high, high chance" of being in the game.

 

[Kuon]

loz18 shutting down his account does nothing to skull kids chances, except the slight possibility nintendo made him shut it down. no way that happened though, if by some extreme off chance it did it would just raise his chances significantly so nothing here lowers skull kids chances.

skull kids chances are already super high even without loz18 i think his leak just made everyone notice the character even more (i think we've been conditioned to not expect new zelda reps that arent versions of existing ones).

Didn't you say in one of your videos that you believe Vergeben more than loz18? Maybe I'm wrong, but the reason I ask is because they have a few disagreements on certain potential characters

 

[wildvine47]

Edit: Nevermind, it was a reply, not an original tweet.

 

[WingedSupernova]

Looks like loz18 is also saying that Dixie has a "high, high chance" of being in the game.

Also he knows nothing about Isaac

Wait, where is this? On his new twitter?

Yep. Sounds like he doesn't actually know and is just guessing. https://twitter.com/loz183/status/1029562436142215170

 

[RandomAce]

It’s confirmed.

Loz18 said on Twitter that he got caught and had to shut down his GameFAQs account.

I think my doubts for Skull Kid rose higher since someone caught up to him soon after he said about it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yep. Sounds like he doesn't actually know and is just guessing. https://twitter.com/loz183/status/1029562436142215170

Well with his Skull Kid post he pretty much said his source doesn't want to give concrete info on the newcomers anymore. The guy had a surprisingly close prediction for the Inkling moveset if he's been guessing this whole time

 

[Darkraid]

The Loz situation is meaningless. He closed the account himself. He could have done it to hide his tracks from Nintendo, but he could have just as easily done it to hide his tracks from all y'all crazy people, too.

The ninjas got to him. He said it on twitter. Someone figured him out

 

[Kuon]

Well with his Skull Kid post he pretty much said his source doesn't want to give concrete info on the newcomers anymore. The guy had a surprisingly close prediction for the Inkling moveset if he's been guessing this whole time

Wait, is he guessing at all this stuff or does he really have sources?

 

[Captain Fun]

Well with his Skull Kid post he pretty much said his source doesn't want to give concrete info on the newcomers anymore. The guy had a surprisingly close prediction for the Inkling moveset if he's been guessing this whole time

IIRC they also got other details right, like how everyone was returning or how you pick stages before characters. He clearly had correct info in the past, so now it's a matter if he's just enjoying the attention and making stuff up now.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Yo sakurai dopped one sick mixtape

why didn't i hear it sooner!?

 

[Nazyrus]

The ninjas got to him. He said it on twitter. Someone figured him out

Here is the thing tho… going by the same name on twitter… how is that gonna help? Aren't the ninjas just gonna keep tracking him? lol

 

[vaanrose]

The ninjas got to him. He said it on twitter. Someone figured him out

The "ninjas" didn't get him, or he wouldn't still be on twitter reconfirming his belief that Skull Kid is in the game.

Someone probably messaged him in a way that worried him that his 12 years of posting history might reveal too much about him, so he closed the account preemptively.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

So loz was shut down because he was found out?
Anyone mind giving me a recap on all he's predicted. If he said a character is probably gonna be in the game I think their chances just rose higher.

 

[Shroob]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how misinformation is started and spread.

 

[Kuon]

The ninjas got to him. He said it on twitter. Someone figured him out

But did they figure out that he's leaking real stuff or did they figure out that he's just being a leaker that may or may not be real and they decided to shut him down just to be safe?

 

[RandomAce]

The "ninjas" didn't get him, or he wouldn't still be on twitter reconfirming his belief that Skull Kid is in the game.

Someone probably messaged him in a way that worried him that his 12 years of posting history might reveal too much about him, so he closed the account preemptively.

Well he did say that on his Twitter.

“I got ninja’d”
“Someone, somewhere found me out...”

I do think with his 12+ years of history and the fact that he and his source were getting caught by Nintendo he had no choice but to switch. He also said that with Twitter’s privacy policy he was able to be more flexible than on GameFAQs.

I feel he truly did get baited by some false info. It’s something Nintendo has been doing recently to prevent leaks in any possible way and it ended up helping Nintendo connect the dots.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait, is he guessing at all this stuff or does he really have sources?

He does, otherwise he'd be RIDICULOUSLY lucky. This fanbase already believes predicting Wii Fit Trainer and everything else was just a lucky guess but it's a repeat of that it seems, where it's unrealistically lucky if it's actually guesses

 

[Ignoritus]

Loz has been offering his own opinions and not only leaks. Be careful to distinct between where he offers his personal thoughts and where he's actually leaking information.

 

[Enchess]

But did they figure out that he's leaking real stuff or did they figure out that he's just being a leaker that may or may not be real and they decided to shut him down just to be safe?

We'll never know. I'm not sure speculating on his stuff is worth it anymore because it too.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Wait people are actually saying Loz deleting his account deconfirms Skull Kid? I guess if you just wanted to ignore literally everything else then yeah he's deconfirmed.

 

[Kuon]

We'll never know. I'm not sure speculating on his stuff is worth it anymore because it too.

What makes you think it's not worth it?

 

[Jetsurge]

My boss predictions for spirits mode:
- Dracula (confirmed)
- Rathalos (confirmed)
- Yellow Devil
- Petey Piranha
- Porky
- Metal Face
- Zygarde complete form
- Nightmare or Dark Matter or Magalor
- Dr Eggman - "GET A LOAD OF THIS"
- Tabuu

 

[Kuon]

He does, otherwise he'd be RIDICULOUSLY lucky. This fanbase already believes predicting Wii Fit Trainer and everything else was just a lucky guess but it's a repeat of that it seems, where it's unrealistically lucky if it's actually guesses

Hmm... I really don't want to believe him, but I may have to. His sources probably aren't 100% correct on their info though, since he's gotten some stuff wrong

 

[MrSmashFour]

I'm not quite sure how Skull Kid would work as a character... surely the moon would be his final smash, but that's already been confirmed as an assist trophy...

Honestly, I think the moment that AT was revealed, he was deconfirmed

 

[vaanrose]

Well he did say that on his Twitter.

“I got ninja’d”
“Someone, somewhere found me out...”

I do think with his 12+ years of history and the fact that he and his source were getting caught by Nintendo he had to switch. He also said that with Twitter’s privacy policy he was able to be more flexible than on GameFAQs.

I'm aware. I read through all his twitter posts.

He's still actively talking about the leak. Whoever "found him out" isn't in a position to tell him to stop. That's why I suggested earlier he was likely doxxed by another Gamefaqs user and shut the account down to make it more difficult for others to do the same.

 

[Shroob]

I'm not quite sure how Skull Kid would work as a character... surely the moon would be his final smash, but that's already been confirmed as an assist trophy...

Honestly, I think the moment that AT was revealed, he was deconfirmed

Don't see why it can't be a FS, but work differently then the AT.


Riki's an AT but shows up in Shulk's FS.